Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[TrueSoulHustler]

No one hammer me before AF comes on.
I don’t want to be miss lynched without AF answering my questions.
I need AF to answer my question.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

@TSH

I'm not sure I get your point about Amrun joining your wagon without reason.

Does everyone need to have a

unique, independent reason to join a wagon?

Is it inherently scummy behavior from your point of view for someone to join a wagon as a reaction to what other players are saying/doing? I find often I myself piggyback off of others' thoughts when I find it's something I actually align with after listening to their thought process. So, I'm not sure what you're seeing here.

Ok think of this.
As scum. What is the best way to miss lynch without being scum read?
Yep, that’s right!
The best way to miss lynch someone is to vote someone who is Top Wagon.
And that’s what Amrun did.
As for the bolded post, in this case here Amrun could have said like “this reaction here was scummy”
Like for example. CSF said certain sections of my post is Townie where AF said they were scummy.
They both explained what it was with a reason.
Amrun should have a reason like that. They didn’t.
As I said before their vote felt “Opportunistic” just casually placing a vote on Top Wagon so they don’t get scum read nor directly town Read.
Call it what you want. I just think Amrun is the scum here as their vote on me is the only one I don’t get.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

Honestly, TSH looks much more like a joker card than necessarily a specific alignment. It is almost as if he wants to be lynched.

That’s false.
I’m not at ALL be a Joker here.
And MM’s Playstyle is the complete opposite of a Joker.

-TSE

[Amrun]

Why is my reason to join the wagon not unique?

It was 100% unique. Entirely original. In fact it’s the thing that turned it from like random vote or two into an actual wagon and gave it weight, IMO.


I really don’t even understand why this argument between others is happening. I don’t really care though. Pleased by this wagon.

[TrueSoulHustler]

Although I understand Clidd’s vote on me.
He’s voting me based upon my wagon as a whole.
I started with a push. Then people jumped onto my wagon while I was trying to defend myself.
I defend myself by explaining and justifying things.
I’m not sure directly why people think it’s scummy but my guess is because I’m doing it more then being aggressive.
However me being defensive helped me call Amrun Out as a Scum Read of mine.
From the wagon as a whole. For most players a beginning wagon usually doesn’t add up like this unless someone is just playing really poorly but in this case it seems to just be a miss understanding.
Thus why Clidd jumped to the conclusion I’m a “Joker Card”.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

Why is my reason to join the wagon not unique?

It was 100% unique. Entirely original.

In fact it’s the thing that turned it from like random vote or two into an actual wagon and gave it weight, IMO.


I really don’t even understand why this argument between others is happening. I don’t really care though. Pleased by this wagon.

Elaborate.

Spoiler:

and people voting my wagon after you doesn’t count.

[TrueSoulHustler]

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

im personally gonna give clidd a pardon in my reads because the stance he holds isnt one id personally see a mafia picking and ofc the effort behind his post
-mm

[TrueSoulHustler]

Are you there Amrun?
Please answer my question.
And note to everyone:
DO NOT END DAY WITHOUT MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY AMRUN AND AF


-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

@TSH

I'm not sure I get your point about Amrun joining your wagon without reason.

Does everyone need to have a unique, independent reason to join a wagon? Is it inherently scummy behavior from your point of view for someone to join a wagon as a reaction to what other players are saying/doing? I find often I myself piggyback off of others' thoughts when I find it's something I actually align with after listening to their thought process. So, I'm not sure what you're seeing here.

absolutely
else mafia gets to hide on a wagon
this is me coming in with 0 info on their stance on us (eg if they agreed with a specific post and such)
-mm

[TrueSoulHustler]

don't worry, i do hate you

yeah im flipflopping on my stance with rb
on one hand it appears genuine
on the other its so outrageously angry that it cant be real

[TrueSoulHustler]

(MM) woop
i think its ez to tell whos who from posting style tho

ima read back for association if i intend to use rb as my core scumread
-mm

[TrueSoulHustler]

also rb continuing to hang around after they expressed that they were replacing out seems like filler to make their replacement look all the more genuine
-mm

[Hectic]

Why was AaronFF removed from your vote pool? What happened in-between those posts? 292 was the only post Aaron made between them.

I'm narrowing down my votes to Amrun, AaronFrost and rooroo; I like rb and Pink Ball (especially since he dropped that atrocious posting style). Still shooting in the dark here.

Hey sorry been busy lately. Will catch up later today.

Narrowing down further to Amrun vs rooroo

VOTE: rooroo Place a vote

Spoiler:

Creature (2)

: Uncrowned, Blatant Scum

TrueSoulHustler (3):

Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever, Amrun

rooroo (2):

AaronFrost, Looker

Pink Ball (1):

rb

Amrun (1):

TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1):

Creature

not voting: Rooroo, clidd, Pink Ball
13 alive, 7 to lynch?

[TrueSoulHustler]

I have rb, Hectic, rooroo (yes you read that correctly), and TSH as town.

since you seem to be the odd one out mind explaining the townread on us?
im curious
-mm

[TrueSoulHustler]

also as it stands u are next in line from rb so im all the more curious
-mm

[Looker]

Ah fuck, you're in both of my games

[Looker]

Let me search my anal cavity for a D1 justification. Because he was boring. Because Amrun jumped on the top wagon. Because rooroo wasn't on any wagon. This is lol nauseating.

[Looker]

I'm just gonna take a quick break right quick

[Amrun]

Why is my reason to join the wagon not unique?

It was 100% unique. Entirely original.

In fact it’s the thing that turned it from like random vote or two into an actual wagon and gave it weight, IMO.


I really don’t even understand why this argument between others is happening. I don’t really care though. Pleased by this wagon.

Elaborate.

Spoiler:

and people voting my wagon after you doesn’t count.

I found you scummy for my own special reasoning that wasn’t like anyone else’s, is what I’m saying. It’s pretty straight forward. It’s not like I was sheeping onto your wagon. I was uniquely pushing you for things I personally find scummy. I don’t even see a problem if I was sheeping onto your wagon - that can be fine too - but I really wasn’t so the whole discussion you’re having about it is bizarre to me.


I think Looker is smoking something. Are you ok, Looker?!

[Hectic]

lul, take it easy, Looker. go have a break. i'm just trying to sort you and understand your thought process, pal.

[woodchuck321]

Hi

[AaronFrost]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

What pings you as off exactly?
My “scum read (-) Bad Read” Post?

I think it's just the way you format your posts.
Your format them like this.
The sentences don't flow much.
And the thoughts don't either.

Like it's probably nothing, but I don't recall you ever using that posting style before so it's kind of throwing me off a bit.

[AaronFrost]

I'll be mostly V/LA tomorrow, maybe be able to check in at night

PEDIT: weak townlean on Amrun

Townlean?
Question.
Do you believe Hectic, CSF, RB and Amrun are all Town/TownLean?
As they have all shown interested and have or still is voting me.

-TSE

rb!slot i'm strongly leaning town on, don't have much of a read on Hectic or CSF and Amrun I got weak townpings from but I can't remember why. I'll ISO her in a bit.

[AaronFrost]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

No huh?
Look at it this way.
Hectic and CSF Voted me for different reasons.
Amrun didn’t.
They just joined on the wagon to increase Numbers.
They were in no means actual applying any pressure.
They claim it’s my “Reactions” if I remember correctly.
Although when they voted me they barley mentioned any of that.
So would you care where your Townlean on Amrun comes from?
Because if it comes from their vote on me. Then the Townlean shouldn’t be there.

So like, do you think each and every single person who votes you needs to have a completely unique reason for placing your vote there? Because that's not usually how wagoning people works.

You say it didn't add pressure either, but your reactions to her votes tells me otherwise.