Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[the worst]

woodchuck321 replaces rb

[AaronFrost]

Now, changing the subject: @AaronFrost @Amrun can i see a brief read about associatives with TSH ? I'm still reading his ISO, to determine my position. My effort is still low, so it will probably take time.

Are you asking me to try and determine who TSH's partners are? If so then I'm not gonna attempt that right now. I don't like doing pre-flip associations unless there's something clear.

[the worst]

vote count 1.13

TrueSoulHustler (5)

: Hectic, Amrun, AaronFrost, woodchuck321, clidd

Creature (2)

: Uncrowned, Blatant Scum

Uncrowned (2)

: Cat Scratch Fever, Rooroo

rooroo (1)

: Looker

Amrun (1)

: TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1)

: Creature

clidd (1)

: Pink Ball

not voting:

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[AaronFrost]

@TSH

I'm not sure I get your point about Amrun joining your wagon without reason.

Does everyone need to have a unique, independent reason to join a wagon? Is it inherently scummy behavior from your point of view for someone to join a wagon as a reaction to what other players are saying/doing? I find often I myself piggyback off of others' thoughts when I find it's something I actually align with after listening to their thought process. So, I'm not sure what you're seeing here.

Wow Uncrowned put this better than I could have lmao

PEDIT: Ninja'd by a duck

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[AaronFrost]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

Completely agree with Aaron here. Feeling really good about TrueSoulHustler-scum. I wouldn't read too much into them being a black flag, since I don't think their early game and recent AtE was designed to look scummy and attract a lynch.

I was thinking about this earlier and wondering what the likelihood of scum sacrificing their black flag is? Obviously they probably wouldn't do it Day 1 unless they absolutely had to, but I think the odds of the black flag being bussed at some point are pretty high, which means that we should be on the lookout for that if we get a black flag flip first.

[AaronFrost]

Honestly, TSH looks much more like a joker card than necessarily a specific alignment. It is almost as if he wants to be lynched.

This could be a case for them being the black flag, going back to my theory/setup spec.

[AaronFrost]

TrueSoulHustler (5)

: Hectic, Amrun, AaronFrost, woodchuck321, clidd

I actually kinda like this wagon comp

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have rb, Hectic, rooroo (yes you read that correctly), and TSH as town.

since you seem to be the odd one out mind explaining the townread on us?
im curious
-mm

I did in 337.

also as it stands u are next in line from rb so im all the more curious
-mm

Explain?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah maybe Aaron is town after all. clidd as well

[Uncrowned]

Yeah, I prefer Amrun as town. Right now I'm liking Aaron and Amrun.

I'm okay with my Creature vote, he hasn't explained to me what he meant by Post 281 yet and until I get an answer I'm not really looking to move my vote anywhere.

Why is creature a better place for your vote than TSH?

your two stated townreads are both on the TSH wagon and you even townread amrun because you also think TSH is scummy, but you decide creature is more important to pressure because...? Is creature scummier in your eyes?

Because TSH right now is the lead wagon and someone who has already put out plenty of readable content. I'd rather get some from Creature, who to me right now is pretty null but interested me with the last post + vote in their ISO, or at least get them involved in the game.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

okay fair

Who do you think is scummy?

[Uncrowned]

Right now though I do like everyone on the wagon, save for Hectic. Not sure about them yet. Need to reread.

[Uncrowned]

Rooroo's ISO has been devoid of any meaningful content IMO save for the vote on me, and even that seems contrived and lacks any substance behind it.

Outside of TSH, I'd probably be looking there next.

As for others, I need to be do a proper recap before I start more thorough sorting.

[Uncrowned]

Just doing some quick ISO reading since it's quicker than going through the full game.

Blatant Scum hasn't really done anything either. Active early (mostly filler) followed by no real pushes or reactions to this games proceedings.

I feel like there's enough readable content as this point to at least make some minor analysis.

Aside from that, I also agree with Aaron (I believe it was Aaron, lol) who mentioned that Blatant's vote of Creature was sort of weird, given his posts prior to that. He's sort of self-aware about it, so it's hard to gauge. I'm still leaning it as slightly scummy behavior, though.

[Uncrowned]

I'm narrowing down my votes to Amrun, AaronFrost and rooroo; I like rb and Pink Ball (especially since he dropped that atrocious posting style). Still shooting in the dark here.

Do you have any update on these early reads?

[Uncrowned]

This is sort of going back to my earlier question about Clidd's scumgame, but if TSH were to flip town, I feel like there's a chance one of Pink Ball and RB (now woodchuck) could be scum with Clidd, and the high quality towncasing of them both could've been used as a cover up.

That's just paranoia talking though, lmao. If TSH flips scum, I'm also pretty certain that near locktowns Clidd.

[TrueSoulHustler]

I have rb, Hectic, rooroo (yes you read that correctly), and TSH as town.

since you seem to be the odd one out mind explaining the townread on us?
im curious
-mm

I did in 337.

okay, so you see TSE's posts quite opposite to how everyone else does
aight not much i can say about that then

also as it stands u are next in line from rb so im all the more curious
-mm

Explain?

tbh ur townread on us feels like going against the majority for the sake of towncred even tho im happy someone does, also your townread on a controversial player like rb has gone completely unexplained (unless you said your reasons for the townread in a post without name dropping rb) as if you couldnt properly read a teammate
-mm

[TrueSoulHustler]

Why is my reason to join the wagon not unique?

It was 100% unique. Entirely original.

In fact it’s the thing that turned it from like random vote or two into an actual wagon and gave it weight, IMO.


I really don’t even understand why this argument between others is happening. I don’t really care though. Pleased by this wagon.

Elaborate.

Spoiler:

and people voting my wagon after you doesn’t count.

I found you scummy for my own special reasoning that wasn’t like anyone else’s, is what I’m saying. It’s pretty straight forward. It’s not like I was sheeping onto your wagon. I was uniquely pushing you for things I personally find scummy. I don’t even see a problem if I was sheeping onto your wagon - that can be fine too - but I really wasn’t so the whole discussion you’re having about it is bizarre to me.


I think Looker is smoking something. Are you ok, Looker?!

Yet you fail to tell me what it is.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

What pings you as off exactly?
My “scum read (-) Bad Read” Post?

I think it's just the way you format your posts.
Your format them like this.
The sentences don't flow much.
And the thoughts don't either.

Like it's probably nothing, but I don't recall you ever using that posting style before so it's kind of throwing me off a bit.

I have done it before.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

No huh?
Look at it this way.
Hectic and CSF Voted me for different reasons.
Amrun didn’t.
They just joined on the wagon to increase Numbers.
They were in no means actual applying any pressure.
They claim it’s my “Reactions” if I remember correctly.
Although when they voted me they barley mentioned any of that.
So would you care where your Townlean on Amrun comes from?
Because if it comes from their vote on me. Then the Townlean shouldn’t be there.

So like, do you think each and every single person who votes you needs to have a completely unique reason for placing your vote there? Because that's not usually how wagoning people works.

You say it didn't add pressure either, but your reactions to her votes tells me otherwise.

Why pressure something that’s already pressured?
You can’t apply air to air.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

Honestly, TSH looks much more like a joker card than necessarily a specific alignment. It is almost as if he wants to be lynched.

This could be a case for them being the black flag, going back to my theory/setup spec.

No.
I’m not even Mafia.

-TSE

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tbh ur townread on us feels like going against the majority for the sake of towncred even tho im happy someone does, also your townread on a controversial player like rb has gone completely unexplained (unless you said your reasons for the townread in a post without name dropping rb) as if you couldnt properly read a teammate
-mm

Rb isn’t controversial. Aside from pb who I think is probscum, you are the only other person who thinks he’s scum iirc

And the guy is obvtown.

Scum don’t get pissed off to the point of replacing out in this gamestate over an argument. I know you think his emotional outburst was scummy, but it’s much more likely coming from town who has a short fuse for arguing against someone who wouldn’t budge. And thats believable considering he back and forthed with pb for a long time without pb having re-evaluated any of his reads.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tbh ur townread on us feels like going against the majority for the sake of towncred even tho im happy someone does, also your townread on a controversial player like rb has gone completely unexplained (unless you said your reasons for the townread in a post without name dropping rb) as if you couldnt properly read a teammate
-mm

also I don’t understand - do you think that TSE’s posts were overly defensive and warrant the votes on him?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I probably need to do some legwork and dive uncrowned but too lazy rn

[Cat Scratch Fever]

is looker always this lurky? Asking for a friend