White Flag - TM2020

[Dannflor]

BB why doesn't Dong lynch gobbles or FF today?

Cheeky,

the win condition for an FF/Dong team, or EVEN an Dong/Gobble or what have you team, is to push Dann -> Auro or Auro -> Dann

Considering you and BBmolla are like the most universally town read players at this junction, kissing up to you two (both scum read Auro at start of day) and making up some bullshit to town read whoever in the [Dong/Gobble/FF] is town that they can easily go back on in LyLo works.

Like... Dong scum doesn't push the other "LHF" or whatever terminology you want to use because that fucks him

it also helps they were not the clear cut easier lynch coming in to today

[Auro]

Cheeky if Auro is town I’m just going to instavote Dong tomorrow

You confident that sequence leads to us winning?

I think he's fine lynching me, and look at this post where he wants to make sure cheeky is confident in the Auro->Dong sequence

[Dannflor]

Spoiler:

If you think Dong is 'pretty blatant scum' I'd prefer that you pushed that lynch over policy voting nsg

I'd rather do that than get to LYLO and have NSG not fucking posted all game because "sorry guys other games required attention."

whoever said lynching lurkers day 1 is a bad idea is wrong, everything I've ever experienced has shown proof of the opposite.

you can't read someone if they have no content to get a read from and that only gets worse as time goes on

BBmolla is the mafia commentator we have sorely missed.

I will look over this game tonight

VOTE: Gobble

If you’re right we win
these were the posts I had marked in PT as making a BB/Gobble team unlikely

but I'll go back to BB's push on Gobble D2 or D3 or whatever it was and see if I still feel the same
If you’re wrong you get no say in tomorrow’s lynch Auro

VOTE: Gobbles

Tbh I think Gobbles > Cheeky results in a game win. Unless anyone strongly believes in Dong/Auro as the scum team.

[Dannflor]

those were the posts I marked in PT as being unlikely for BB/Gobbles

but I'll go back to the initial push by BB and see if I still feel the same

[Auro]

Like... Dong scum doesn't push the other "LHF" or whatever terminology you want to use because that fucks him

Dong isn't kissing up to Molla though
Letting town push the other LHF puts them in a pretty good position in LyLo given this gamestate.

[Auro]

Sure Dann, look at the contexts behind each of those votes carefully. There wasn't any real danger of Gobs being lynched. Tell me if you find Molla voting Gob when it actually looked like Gobs could be lynched, I'll wait. Even in 2858 it appears like he's waiting for someone to say Auro/Dong is the team or whatever.

Today he said Auro/Dann is bullshit, then pretty quick changes to "Hmm might be Auro/Dann", how does that look obvtown?

[Dannflor]

"Hmm might be Auro/Dann", how does that look obvtown?

can you quote that?

sorry I'm running around atm without a lot of time and didn't see that catching up

otherwise I'll look later

[Auro]

Auro/Dann is nonsense.

Dann/Cheeky makes most sense if we're theorizing he's scum.

Why don’t you think I’m town Auro

Maybe it is Auro/Dann?

So what, suddenly not nonsense because I don't townread him?

[Auro]

You had a high confidence scumread in Hop.
I hard defended Hop, you then justified lynching him to eliminate Auro-Hop solve.
Then got paranoid I had TMI in hindsight.

You're doing the same now, Dann. I feel you're conf biasing.

[Dannflor]

I straight up don't remember ever pushing a Hop/Auro solve

[Auro]

Also what the hell is my play here, especially if I'm scum and Dong is town? Dong's only attacking me more every time he posts, doesn't look like I'll convince him. I have zero hopes of Cheeky realizing I'm town. FF is high and thinks I'm scum. You think I have any hopes of convincing any of them?

[Auro]

It's a possible pairing. We just town read you individually, so we always clear that pairing by lynching Hop.

Well not exactly pushed that solve but you said it's possible and that would eliminate it.
You're saying the same thing right now, that Auro Dong is a possible pairing, you townread me individually, implying a Dong flip would clear that pairing.

[Auro]

Think backwards. If you townread me individually, then Dong really has no candidate partners. FF is the least viable one.

And Auro paranoia is unnecessary when I'm likely going to flip, btw.

[CheekyTeeky]

Zzzz.

[Dannflor]

What's your issue with a Dong/Gobble team again?

[Auro]

WF gambit's useless when people want to lynch your partner anyway.
Gobbles' preferred lynch is Dong.
This auto invalidates a GobDong solve.

[Auro]

I am here. I am ready to vote Dong. I think everyone has said their piece

If it isn't you and Dong, then it is Dong + Dann in my mind.

Doesn't look partnery.

[gobbledygook]

Oh and Dong isn’t voting for Auro anymore. HMMM

[Auro]

Squawk all you want about Auro-Dong, my flip will prove that impossible. Then you're going to hop on Dann-Dong or FF-Dong.
I'm going to set things up so you can't in LyLo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count

goobledygook - 3

(Cephrir, BBMolla, Auro)

Dongempire - 2

(gobbledygook, Dannflor)

Not Voting - 4

(CheekyTeeky, Dongempire, Formerfish, Hopkirk)

Activity Check - Prodding gobbledygook

Deadline: (expired on 2020-02-10 23:00:00)

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch

Vote Count

Hopkirk - 3

(Dannflor, Cephrir, BBMolla)

goobledygook - 1

(Auro)

Dongempire - 1

(gobbledygook)

Auro - 1

(Dongempire)

Not Voting - 3

(CheekyTeeky, Formerfish, Hopkirk)

Activity Check - All good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-02-10 23:00:00)

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch

If gobbles is scum the key lies between these two VCs.

[Auro]

Mod said scum have daytalk, so hm

[CheekyTeeky]

You can see Dann voting Dong with Gobbles in VC1 after which he does the whole Eddie thinks it's Hopkirk scum (which still doesn't make sense) which pushed hop to the lead. So Dann/gob behaviour yesterday plus Dann/gob behaviour today (with Dann using his team to townread gob) could indicate a Dann/gob team.

[Auro]

EC brought something up about this post, Ank and I ended up agreeing. Basically, Gobble does not put partner!nsg in the bottom reads spot and then vote partner!dong because that's obviously going to draw attention. I think this completely strikes dong/gobble as a team which was something I was considering earlier this day phase.

Dann, why ask about Dong/Gobble as a team if you striked them off previously?

[Auro]

Dong, how about you sell me on:
1. Why you're town - is your play here different from your scumgames?
2. Who's scum in your proposed lynch pool?

1 - no
2 - I want to say

cheeky/dann. I dont think gobs scum

there and

i dont suspect you as much

as i do them.

Ceph isnt scum...

The possible scumlist is down to

Auro/Gob/Dann/Dong

. I dont think dong is scum.

VOTE: Auro

This climate is perfect for scum to thrive. Theres chaos and no clear town leader and it seems like the FOS of everyone changes at a moments pace. Hopkirk/Former/BB/Ceph scum and you would expect them to come back to the thread to take control. You dont need to sell me on any one of them - they arent scum, pure and simple. we need to whittle the suspect list down from here.
We won. If you want, lynch me, we have mislynched. I'd rather have a clean victory but if you have doubts in your mind or think im not certain of it, you can take me.

(Mod saying no daytalk is making me retract my solve slightly)
wtf is this progression?

[CheekyTeeky]

If you guys end up lynching town!Dong do not lynch BB or FF but go gobbles/Dann.