Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[clidd]

@Cat

I ended with Clidd as weak town because, although I agree with PB that the opener was kinda scummy, and the lack of scumhunting, he's still shown flashes of effort that *seem* townie. For instance, I ended up agreeing with the towncasing he gave of both PB/RB and I think if he were scum, he could've taken a much different route to handle that situation.

Actually, in a

scum

scenario, I would have pull more aggressively against PB, in order to shape a wagon to lynch him. Then, I would justify the fact that I was not killed by the mafia as a kind of frame, allowing me to choose another misslynch for the second day. On the third day I would probably be lynched, but at that point two would be already lynched incorrectly. Before this, I would be sure to guide my partner to distance himself from me, and to be antagonistic to my reads. The other would be congruent. That way, after my fall, both would be able to fight for a healthy endgame.

[TrueSoulHustler]

@TrueSoulHustler

I remember the two games that you flipped

scum

. In both, your number of posts has always been in the top 3, characterized by high activity (TSE). What would differentiate this game from your behavioral pattern ?

I’m always a high poster.
Look at my Town games.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

My posting isn’t alignment indicative.

-TSE

[clidd]

Hum, ok.

[clidd]

Well, I intend to engage more slowly in the game. Eventually, I will post my final conclusion on what I observed and, obviously, my guess about the three flags.

[Pink Ball]

If you know about the three flags, you know that your analysis in post #850 is invalid, right?

[TrueSoulHustler]

I wouldn't say that I'm TR anyone right now - I just feel certain flips would be more beneficial than Pink Ball's at the moment. I haven't even considered a clidd flip.

How can you not be TR anyone?

Struggling to understand this from a town perspective.

Then understand it from a scum perspective since your scum.
I mean, who says “Town Prespective” other then scum.

-TSE

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I wouldn't say that I'm TR anyone right now - I just feel certain flips would be more beneficial than Pink Ball's at the moment. I haven't even considered a clidd flip.

How can you not be TR anyone?

Struggling to understand this from a town perspective.

Then understand it from a scum perspective since your scum.
I mean, who says “Town Prespective” other then scum.

-TSE

She meant she was struggling to see how looker was coming at this game from a town perspective.

[clidd]

If you know about the three flags, you know that your analysis in post #850 is invalid, right?

I didn't understand what a hypothetical scenario has to do with it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Cat

I ended with Clidd as weak town because, although I agree with PB that the opener was kinda scummy, and the lack of scumhunting, he's still shown flashes of effort that *seem* townie. For instance, I ended up agreeing with the towncasing he gave of both PB/RB and I think if he were scum, he could've taken a much different route to handle that situation.

I see

Also I read the Micro game you mentioned earlier. I think you were relatively inactive in that town game, but when you did show up in the thread, you felt more fast and loose than you do here.

I would characterize your scumgame as flying effectively under the radar, and while being under the radar and being inactive often happen together, I’m not only scumreading you here for not posting.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I’m a little spooked by how TSH’s wagon has stalled though even though his play hasn’t changed

And generally by how all wagons seem to be stalled. I don’t think anyone has hit L-2 all game

[TrueSoulHustler]

I’m a little spooked by how TSH’s wagon has stalled though even though his play hasn’t changed

And generally by how all wagons seem to be stalled. I don’t think anyone has hit L-2 all game

That’s why I’m saying Amrun is the scum here.
Their buddy is someone distancing.
Who’s claimed they scum read me and is distancing? Uncrowned.
At least he’s the one I’m most familiar with.
As such I think an Amrun/Uncrowned scum team is the thing here.
It would explain why the game is being stalled.

[Amrun]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

Granted, but I’m sharing my reads as they come to me.


And of course effort posts come from scum - but the content of his comes off towny to me is what I’m saying. When scum effort post they usually have a goal - showing progression, etc. uncrowned did not seem to have such an agenda, which seemed to me like he was genuinely searching and just didn’t find.

[clidd]

If you know about the three flags, you know that your analysis in post #850 is invalid, right?

To be honest, if there is something invalid in the game, or rather, in the

forum

, it is your reasoning process.

[TrueSoulHustler]

@CSF

I think this is you.
I got This from Mafia 451.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Northsidegal

[TrueSoulHustler]

Your winrate is really good I’m jealous.
Mine is shit.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

Granted, but I’m sharing my reads as they come to me.

And of course effort posts come from scum

- but the content of his comes off towny to me is what I’m saying. When scum effort post they usually have a goal - showing progression, etc. uncrowned did not seem to have such an agenda, which seemed to me like he was genuinely searching and just didn’t find.

I disagree with

Bolded

TBH.
Also the way you said that was scummy AF.

@Everyone
Do you see this?

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

If you know about the three flags, you know that your analysis in post #850 is invalid, right?

To be honest, if there is something invalid in the game, or rather, in the

forum

, it is your reasoning process.

There’s but no one else’s?

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

For Amrun’s partner I think it’s either Uncrowned or Pink Ball.

[Amrun]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

Granted, but I’m sharing my reads as they come to me.

And of course effort posts come from scum

- but the content of his comes off towny to me is what I’m saying. When scum effort post they usually have a goal - showing progression, etc. uncrowned did not seem to have such an agenda, which seemed to me like he was genuinely searching and just didn’t find.

I disagree with

Bolded

TBH.
Also the way you said that was scummy AF.

@Everyone
Do you see this?

-TSE

In context, it means “effort posts CAN come from scum,” not that they always do, which is obviously untrue.

[AaronFrost]

Just read a little bit of Micro 918 and still, I see a pattern on town!clidd that I don't seem to find in this game. @Hectic and @Aaron, you were both at that game and you were both town with him, what's your input?

I feel like in that last game he was a bit higher impact than he is here, he feels a lot less memorable, and I feel like I should remember him a bit more here than I did in 918.

I need to reread this game though although I don't know when I can get around to it. I've been pretty busy lately.

[AaronFrost]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

Granted, but I’m sharing my reads as they come to me.

And of course effort posts come from scum

- but the content of his comes off towny to me is what I’m saying. When scum effort post they usually have a goal - showing progression, etc. uncrowned did not seem to have such an agenda, which seemed to me like he was genuinely searching and just didn’t find.

I disagree with

Bolded

TBH.
Also the way you said that was scummy AF.

@Everyone
Do you see this?

-TSE

What am I supposed to see here?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@CSF

I think this is you.
I got This from Mafia 451.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Northsidegal

Lmao I

wish

, but no sorry

[Skygazer]

if csf is who i think she is (actually not *too* unlikely after checkin some things) then she's 100% town

no sorry

L