Cass wrote:Hey goat! Very pleased to see you replace Chenhsi. That also takes away the reason for my vote (I think I can safely assume Goat isn't a lurker).
Hi! No...I can't say I often get accused of lurking
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I've read through page 4. Here are some notes I have so far. Please answer any questions directed at you.
Post 20, darkdude: Wow a claim already. I disagree with your reasoning for making the claim. The entire point of your role is to soak up a night kill, and claiming kind of defeats that purpose. Regardless, while I disagree with you claiming, I see no reason not to trust that claim. Scum generally don't come out that early with a claim like that, because it defeats their purpose of remaining undetected by the town and paints a huge target on them. Unless further evidence surfaces, I see no reason to disbelieve him.
Post 22, forbiddanlight: Wants to have a cop check him immediately. My question is why do you want him to be checked by a cop?
Post 26, Kison: Why is it important to you whether or not he can be killed in the endgame? I don't like this fishing at all.
Post 27, Matin: I'm not a fan of this post. Your end result is that you believe his claim, but throughout the post you plant seeds of doubt in people's minds (could be lying scum, could be godfather). You remain in the camp of "believe his claim" but you're throwing information out there to lead others towards a disbelief in his claim. I find that scummy.
Post 29, Ghyrt: Don't buy the push on raider here. I think him asking everyone to weigh in on darkdude's claim was a reasonable request.
I don't see an issue with raider's post 23. There's no harm is forcing everyone to put down an opinion on the claim this early. I consider it a null-tell basically.
Post 47, DarkDude: How do you think you claiming is going to help us towards catching scum? Edit: Never mind, answered later on.
Post 48, Cass: I don't see darkdude not thinking about wasting a cop investigation as a point against him. The general consensus here seems to be that either he's telling the truth or is a mafia godfather. Having a cop investigate him is purely a waste. Also, your statement that he should have considered "all possibilities" is a bit unfair. YOu can't expect him to have seen every possible scenario on page 1 when claiming. I don't agree with him claiming, "but it smells more like a judgement error than an outright lie" as Ghyrt said.
Post 54, forbiddanlight: I have a strong urge to just ignore this post.
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Post 59, Cass: I find it interesting that you note that DarkDude's claim is the kind of claim you don't believe when he's at L-2, but then go right ahead and ask why he didn't wait until L-2 to claim it.
Post 60, DarkDude:
"I disagree. I think we have a good idea of players' behaviour by looking at their reaction at my claim."
I agree with this statement. Players reactions to claims like this are invaluable resources.
Post 62, raider8169: Yeah, I think that's pretty much the general consensus, hence he shouldn't be investigated by a cop.
Post 69, raider8169: I like this post, or at least where he's going with it.
Post 70, Ghyrt: Doubtful. He'd have no way of knowing whether or not we'd jump to the conclusion of a godfather, etc. It'd be a ballsy play as scum.
Post 71, Ghyrt: I like this post here. I think this is a pretty good analysis of the situation.
Post 73, forbiddanlight: Disagree. I don't think the cop should investigate him.
Post 84, ting =): Why don't you think discussion of darkdude's claim is helpful in any way?
Post 85, raider8169: Good point in the top half of this post, which actually leads me to a suggestion. If we have a vig, they should shoot darkdude. If he's bulletproof, it won't hurt. If he's a lying scum godfather, then we nailed a lying scum godfather. Thoughts?
Post 86, Ghyrt: Agreed almost entirely here, except for the part at the end where you say it's a null-tell. Ghyrt is absolutely correct. Calling this action WIFOM and ignoring it is being short-sighted.
I'll hopefully finish my read tonight and be able to jump right into discussion.