Micro 922: Strawberry Mafia (Game over!)

[DrDolittle]

I think luca's white knight on around page 12 is town

[DrDolittle]

I think he's town actually. And I think Clidd is scum. I know your meta defence of him, but the dude is literally not providing any reads unless I missed them. He's spewing large posts that actually have little to no content in them, and they sure don't make a point.

Literally trying to look active without having to commit to anything.

Slaxx is sorting, making reads. I don't scumread him at all, but it's not like I have him as hard town either.

If you give me a gun and make me choose between slaxx and clidd, i shoot clidd.

not feeling great about ico to start.

Like that clid post was not scummy, and these reasonings look more like trying to "look town" and make allies"than sorting

[DrDolittle]

my reads actually align with clidd quite a bit, which makes me nervous since slaxx said he was "hilariously wrong" or something along those lines

[DrDolittle]

Answer Key: [snip]

thanks very cool. who's scum based on this analysis? why haven't you followed up on this busywork?
what are the standard errors to the variance as a statistic?

[Slaxx]

my reads actually align with clidd quite a bit, which makes me nervous since slaxx said he was "hilariously wrong" or something along those lines

That was from one game. I don’t want that to follow him throughout this game. My bad. It was funny because he was using really strong language (99% etc) and he wound up being wrong. But he has good games too.

I was looking through his games to just find one example of where he was cocky as town and I found it, and that’s where I stopped.

Hectic, I’m not ignoring you, but I’m posting mobile. I’ll probably need a PC to communicate the way I want to wrt your posts.

[DrDolittle]

slaxx i know i was joking too.
but im officially boping you

[clidd]

nevermind I found it: it's here if anyone wants to see

Clidd *can* do wallpost analysis posts as scum

The numerical question is not a precise thing to assess me. The real difference would be the stance I'm taking, because in this passage that you mentioned, specifically, I was establishing a slower and very neutral game, boring and tiring to follow. Here, I am trying to solve the game, by being more incisive in my premises. This discrepancy is very complex to explain totally, but I believe you got the message.

[clidd]

Also can't really describe it but Icon is giving me decent town feelz. I think my list is probably

(Ame, Compath, DDL, Icon)-Slight Town
(Luca, Kanna)-Null
(Hectic)- Slight Scum
(Clidd)- Scum

You remind me a lot of a player called Espeonage from a past game (he was

scum

).

what do you see in this clid?

I said this because of some interpersonal peculiarities that the two, in my view, seem to share. I thought about associating with the

scum

behavior, which I was beginning to notice, but I ended up discarding this hypothesis after I noticed the

townslip

that I mentioned in post 354.

Slaxx

has moved up to my

TR

category now.

[clidd]

my reads actually align with clidd quite a bit, which makes me nervous since slaxx said he was "hilariously wrong" or something along those lines

That was from one game. I don’t want that to follow him throughout this game. My bad. It was funny because he was using really strong language (99% etc) and he wound up being wrong. But he has good games too.

I was looking through his games to just find one example of where he was cocky as town and I found it, and that’s where I stopped.

Hectic, I’m not ignoring you, but I’m posting mobile. I’ll probably need a PC to communicate the way I want to wrt your posts.

There are high margins of error in the premises that I assume every game. I can be terribly wrong, as incredibly right. Statistically speaking, I noticed that it is very difficult to have a middle ground. Therefore, collaboration would be ideal for me to correct possible gaps.

[Hectic]

trainee "trainee" trainee here being addicted to mafia

actually VOTE: Knight Luca

i think I have a lawbreaker-tell on Knight Luca, i'm almost a little reluctant to out it if it's correct but i will expand on it later

also, answer my questions, Ame! please and thank you

[clidd]

With post 362, the '' radical '' condition that I stipulated as a coefficient of change in my opinion was achieved, causing the addition of her concept to my list.

Current reads:

Hectic - Null
DrDolittle - Null
Compath -

Scum indicative

Kanna -

Scum indicative

Ame -

Town indicative

Luca Blight -

Town indicative

Iconeum - Joker (can flip both sides)
Slaxx -

Town indicative

The fall in Hectic is due to the lack of significant interactivity with me, and the current interaction with Luca in post 409. I believe that

town!Hectic

, although enjoys playing roles, still seems a long way from the genuine proactivity characteristic of his playstyle. I am now having difficulty assimilating whether my initial impression of him was correct, or whether I was influenced by the emotional factor of his intentions.

[clidd]

@DrDolittle

can i see your actual reads ?

[Hectic]

trainee "trainee" trainee here... again

the tell revolves around Knight Luca's tone and how friendly he is in the early game. i'm in the middle of soemthing but do a meta check for me and see if you see the same thing. regardless, i'll form a case later to show you what i mean

i engage with stuff i find lawbreakery, clidd. actually kinda frustrated that you and slaxx are implying i haven't been proactive this game, i really have tried to be since that's the aim of this playstyle

okay this is the last time i'm checking in for a while

[clidd]

trainee "trainee" trainee here... again

the tell revolves around Knight Luca's tone and how friendly he is in the early game. i'm in the middle of soemthing but do a meta check for me and see if you see the same thing. regardless, i'll form a case later to show you what i mean

i engage with stuff i find lawbreakery, clidd. actually kinda frustrated that you and slaxx are implying i haven't been proactive this game, i really have tried to be since that's the aim of this playstyle

okay this is the last time i'm checking in for a while

Hum, ok.

[Ame]

Ame's wall is v interesting but I have to go so I'll digest it later

p-edit: hi ame

Hi Kanna!

Answer Key: [snip]

thanks very cool. who's scum based on this analysis? why haven't you followed up on this busywork?

I'm working on it. BoP means treating someone as town so long as they are lynching scum, correct?

[Ame]

Detective "Detective" Detective here from Internal Affairs.

Suspect

Citizen Ame has submitted a complaint regarding Ms. Sir Officer's treatment of the upstanding people of Strawberryville as well as her associating with and hiring known criminal "trainee." I would like to assure you that SVPD is looking into these concerns with the utmost scrutiny.

also, answer my questions, Ame! please and thank you

trainee "trainee" trainee stapling some paperwork!

be honest, Ame, are those bar charts legitimate or completely made up? and if they're legitimate, could i have a sample size, as in total entries for the dataset? oh, and why are you providing us with the answer key, do you not want to ever use this again in future mafia games? your secrets are out now!

I made the graphs myself (on MS paint hehe). I might provide data post-game. I only play mafia a few times a year now so I don't really mind. This will actually be my last game for a while. Mafia is time-consuming and it's hard to maintain my other duties when playing. I have no idea how people play 3+ games at a time!

Additionally, things like this can only ever be used once with the same players. I'd have to play with a new set of players for it to be useful again.

5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?

3 currently

why only a 3? you put playing mafia over all the other activities and seem passionate about it, being lynched wouldn't irk you?

Not at all! And honestly, a 3 is probably overshooting it. I feel more like a 0. I enjoy it, but it's just a game and there's other things I could be doing with my life. The only things that upset me in mafia are when people fail to try and empathize with one another (i.g. shutting down any further considerations once they get in a tunnel mindset), and unfairly being pushed for a slow response rate.

Long ago, when I was really into the game, my answer would have been 10+. And I do feel upset when lynched as mafia since I have more investment in it and it directly affects my team.

i was getting lawbreaker pings from your mega post because it felt very off-meta (i've skimmed your other completed game and it felt less formal/serious) and argumentative in bad ways at times (scum like to appear correct and win arguments even if the argument does not relate to alignment), examples here:

I wasn't excluded. He included me in his list. You also failed to mention a lack of DDL read which was similarly hidden.

Hmm. I think this also indicates that you're not paying attention deeply. The answer to your first question is right above the post you quoted. The second question is disingenuous as I wasn't ignoring Icon. I was very much willing to respond if he showed me the same courtesy. This is obvious from our engagement and I'm not sure how you missed it.

These were by no means for the sake of argument. It was suspicious to me that you "liked" Compath's read list but didn't actually read it. It indicated to me that you weren't really concerned with figuring out his mental state because you didn't fully read the reasoning (in which his reads on me and DDL were hidden). Regarding the second quote, it seemed to me like you were trying to throw shade at me without actually pushing me directly. You could have just said you thought those things were scummy, but instead, you made it look like you were just questioning me. This seemed disingenuine to me because your questions were already answered / or easily deducible. What about my response gave you the clarification you were looking for when all I did was quote the post you said you already read?

Regardless, you are currently trending town for me which I'll get to in my read list. It appears that your harassment of our beloved citizen Ame comes from her seeming to be uncooperative with an early inquiry, as well as an incorrect meta understanding. We will be reviewing our policies to prevent further misunderstandings in the future.

Detective out.

[clidd]

I sympathize with

Ame

's

questionnaire

, now that I know its purpose. I believe that, even if the mafia is a primarily logical game, it still involves many emotional aspects, such as state of mind, intentions, role playing, etc. A deviation in the long-term behavioral pattern is a suggestive evidence of

scum

intention, of course, but not conclusive if we consider the

emotional

charge when formulating evaluative reasoning. This is one of the reasons why, in some games, my reads seem to evade precision, while in other games, they are extremely correct. Depending on the context, playerlist, setup and sometimes even other real-life factors, there are scenarios that compensate for a

logical

approach, with the suppression of behavioral / emotional analysis, while other scenarios demand a more flexible view, with employment

empathy

to understand the real motivations of others, through the interpretation of interpersonal signals in typing pattern.

An example is the experience I had on

Micro 918

, mentioned previously in one of my posts. The context was one of the worst:

three scums

, and if there was a misslynch on the first day, the game ended

automatically

. In such a chaotic scenario, a player named

Norwegianboy

made a post that initially became the reason for a

SR

on him, so early that he became

L-1

with few pages of game. When I started to question him, he started an argumentation case against me that, initially, I judged as coming from a

scum

, following the logical line that he would obviously try to redirect attention to one of the players. However, in a second thought, analyzing the emotional part and associating the behavior with another game that I had played (

1980

), I managed to reach the conclusion that he, in fact, was afflicted with some recent events of a past game, where he was tricked by an expert player who had the same typing pattern as mine, automatically conditioning his psychological to filter out "barriers" that would make it difficult for him to see any possibility that I was

town

, given the similarities that seemed to make sense in his head. Evidently, I was able to understand how he felt, taking no time to put him as

locktown

, precisely because of the emotional influence he was feeling at that moment. I was extremly close to hammer him when he got

L-1

, following my logical line that put him as

scum

, but i didn't. If I did, we would lose the game right there. From then on, I began to consider more intensely the extent to which I would, at least, try to understand the motivations behind each player's words and actions.

Now, bringing it to the context in which we are playing

, I deeply believe that

Ame

had a '' clean '' intention in bringing this questionnaire here, notoriously evidenced by the semi-transparent excitement I felt during the explanation of the '' key '' involving the questions and answers. She was really enjoying this. At this point, however, I no longer feel the same thing about

Hectic'

s behavior and I'm starting to consider that this character may be a facade to hide a malicious motivation, something that, unfortunately, I may have misinterpreted initially, but now it got a little more explicit, given the latest interactions.

[clidd]

oh christ.

I am reading Micro 915 | Brass & Shrapnel and Clidd is actually that fucking cocky about his reads as town. And hilariously wrong that game. Okay, Luca, do you have any knowledge of games where he is scum?

UNVOTE:

This intuitive line of reasoning also implies that

Slaxx

acted in this post on the influence of chemical reactions, as I explained during our interaction, so it is very likely that this is assimilative with a

town mentality

, where there was boredom due to my presence, followed from the demonstration by debauchery, and temporary indifference, until rapprochement by having to classify myself in one of his reads. This whole process indicates, at least for me, that this is the

town!Slaxx

, reacting spontaneously to the circumstances of the multiple collective initial

SRs

on him.

[Hectic]

Officer "Officer" Officer parking her cruiser.

The Chief Inspector has issued out a statement declaring that we have officially been Pocketed by Detective Ame. We're not sure what brought this Private Investigator to the town of Strawberryville, but her actions feel sincere and earnest.

We would love for The Force and the SVPD to work side by side to prevent lawbreakers from committing foul play in our good town, and to keep The Peace. We're unsure if Detective Ame likes to play the trend of being intentionally cagey early on, and then explaining all of her intentions later on very convincingly, but we now feel she is an upstanding member of this town.

Regarding Compath's reads list; the part which was on Ame herself I assumed was part of the read on clidd, hence the confusion.

A Case Progression Unit is now working on Knight Luca's Criminal Activities.

.
.
.

Stay tuned.

[clidd]

Welp that doesn’t bode well for my reads this game then

sorry slaxx tomorrow is a new day

I thought post 8 was all right, and can justify the stupid pun entrance

this is a european lobby it looks like

In this case, it is more difficult to use the analysis method by association, since these posts agree with a game pattern that aims at more frequency and objectivity than necessarily in the numerical expansion factor. Even with a metaread applied, this constancy is difficult to discriminate specifically to define a possible alignment. As a result, he remains null, until I am able to distinguish him correctly. I would like an opinion from those who have played with him.

[Compath]

Catching up now.

[Compath]

why does a pun entrance *have* to be justified?

Let's lynch VOTE: Iconeum for an

iconic

D1 lynch!

VOTE: Clidd

[Compath]

Shading and not actually pointing out what's wrong with the posts you're quoting. Vague sarcastic comments. Just randomly calling people scum, and when asked to elaborate, don't actually elaborate. This truly is peak town performance.

[clidd]

‘Dislike’ as in you’re scumreading me for it, or simply think I’m wrong to do so?

I’ve never said I believe Clidd will always replace out as scum btw. I feel as though he’d be more disinterested as scum, however.

I believe

scum!Luca

would use this information in a very different way than it was done here.

[clidd]

Shading and not actually pointing out what's wrong with the posts you're quoting. Vague sarcastic comments. Just randomly calling people scum, and when asked to elaborate, don't actually elaborate. This truly is peak town performance.

The intention was to measure the typing pattern, not the content of the posts. I believe that basic interpretation would allow you to assimilate this.