Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[rooroo]

I'm more active as scum than town, rooroo. I've never lurked as scum; let alone not posted for a whole day phase, so please don't use that as a reason to scumread me. I just didn't happen to get round to this game in the last day phase.

idk you're still the highest living poster? even rc tactically lurks as scum, which is like different from lurking in general. i highpost as town on my main but i also tactically lurk. i'm not really inclined to believe a statement like "i never tactically lurk as scum".

Look at his day 1 behavior, AF.

fwiw i thought the tsh lynch was objectively terrible and i would like never lynch that iso on d1 in this setup though
and csf had doubts too and flipped town

[Amrun]

It’s not really about doubts. It’s more about his behavior surrounding it and the fact he was grey flag and suboptimal lynch for scum.

[the worst]

Prodding Skygazer!

[AaronFrost]

fwiw i thought the tsh lynch was objectively terrible and i would like never lynch that iso on d1 in this setup though
and csf had doubts too and flipped town

I... what? We literally hit scum and you're trying to justify it as a terrible lynch?

[Hectic]

I was one of the main people to push TrueSoulEnergy and make him spew scum in the first place, Amrun. It's only towards the end I started having second thoughts because he looked TOO scummy. What changed your mind about this now, rather than on any of the previous days?

And sure, rooroo, but imo tactically lurking as scum for a whole day phase seems like a lame move lol. I've only played scum thrice, and it's never occured to me to try and win with stuff like that. AaronFF can back me up here.

(A red and blue striped flag. The blue is smudged in areas.)

[Amrun]

I thought before you’d be less likely to do this as scum because it’s too obvious.

But then the people I thought were more likely scum flipped town. :/

In interest of fairness, I’ll do some more digging and look at your early day 1 again.

[AaronFrost]

I was one of the main people to push TrueSoulEnergy and make him spew scum in the first place, Amrun. It's only towards the end I started having second thoughts because he looked TOO scummy. What changed your mind about this now, rather than on any of the previous days?

This is why I'm unsure on Hectic because yes his end of D1 is bad, but his vote started the TSH wagon. Although you saying that you made TSE spew scum is disingenuous when he did a pretty good job of that himself.

Basically I'm torn between whether this is scum!Hectic who didn't intend for the TSH wagon to get as much steam as it did, or town!Hectic who was really unsure of his read there.

[AaronFrost]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

[Amrun]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

Distancing gone wrong is my theory

[Skygazer]

weren't we supposed to lynch uncrowned

[Skygazer]

Skygazer, why didn't you try and push Uncrowned at all while the Misty wagon was happening? You voted him and left it at that for the day phase.

1) i've been super busy out of nowhere recently which is why ive been low activity
2) i didnt really have any additional arguments for chemist being town aside from what I had mentioned about clidd. any time i tried to argue the slot was town i wound up getting shut down anyways, it's been kinda demoralizing.

[woodchuck321]

Imho hectic feels town to me and all this sudden pushing of him is strange after pushing Uncrowned a lot yesterday

[Amrun]

Imho hectic feels town to me and all this sudden pushing of him is strange after pushing Uncrowned a lot yesterday

Why? Who’s the common people? Did anyone change trajectories?

[AaronFrost]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

Distancing gone wrong is my theory

I'll have to look at it closer upon a reread.

Also legitimately surprised you're still alive, felt like you came out of that TSH lynch looking obvtown. These have been some weird ass night kills...

[Amrun]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

Distancing gone wrong is my theory

I'll have to look at it closer upon a reread.

Also legitimately surprised you're still alive, felt like you came out of that TSH lynch looking obvtown. These have been some weird ass night kills...

I figured it’s because I had bad reads. :/

[the worst]

Prodding Uncrowned.

[AaronFrost]

Dead game

[Hectic]

Sorry, I'm V/LA till Monday.

[AaronFrost]

Alright so I decided to sit down and take a look back at the play surrounding the TSH wagon

@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?

Bla and Cat Scratch Fever are townleans. Surprised by the lack of analysis from Clidd, but it's early days, so I'll give him time. Oh, right, you're Clidd lol. Amrun nullscum? Mostly from how her tone feels off this game. TSE also a scumlean for some weird questioning/theories so far. rb's townish for sorting through the memery. Liking Pink Ball based on that clidd read just now. Looker nullscum because she usually has more to give by 175.

VOTE: TrueSoulHustler

This post from Hectic started the TSH wagon, doesn't feel super committed to it though? He had Amrun, Looker and TSE as scumleans and TSH was the one he chose to vote so I could see this being distancing. I have decent scum meta on Hectic now and I think I've seen him do this kind of distancing on his partner before? I'll double check.

It’s not hard to suggest something like this.
I understand maybe your not liking the fact of me thinking of that I believed it to be someone’s form of PoE.
But is it Scummy that I took the brackets to have a literal meaning?
I didn’t feel as it was random.
As now I can see it was but I thought it was there like “ima make brackets and see how I do”
Kinda thing.

-TSE

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

TSE's reaction to Hectic's pressure. He feels sort of neutral here, kind of like 'eh okay no big deal' and pushes back a tiny bit, but not too hard. Compare that with his reaction to Amrun's vote, which I'll get to later.

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

Compare that to Amrun's vote where he clearly feels the pressure coming down and gets very defensive despite her reasoning not being all that different from Hectic's. He's pushing back a LOT more here

[AaronFrost]

Here is scum Hectic playing around his partners (Egix and Wimpy) in a micro I recently modded. He does a lot of distancing/bussing here.

Here is scum Hectic in a game that just ended, not as much distancing here, still some okayish partner interactions (insomnia was his partner) but a lot less willing to bus.

Could be the start of a potential trend here. In the micro, there were 3 scum, in the mini normal there were two. Maybe he's less willing to distance if he only has one partner vs if he has two. We'd need more data to see if this is actually a trend, but this is just an observation I've noticed.

If he's scum here, he's probably the white flag (or whichever flag causes the game to end immediately I don't remember) which is irrelevant but eh.

[Skygazer]

if i dont contribute some actual contributing tomorrow (irl) someone hit me w a shoe

[the worst]

prodding rooroo.

[AaronFrost]

sigh

[rooroo]

oh the horrors

[Uncrowned]

sorry i am alive