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[Amrun]

Why am I eve wasting my time by responding to scum?

i've voting profii. join me :/

Interesting. Why? Do you think TSE is town?

there are 13 scum in this game, even if TSE is scum he's not the only 1. Why must I be confined to voting only TSE?

Why aren’t you being realistic about how you will get a wagon through?

amrun doesn't even think TSE is scum, that's like the definition of a go with the flow scum vote.

I literally haven’t read a single TSE post yet, and openly so. You kidding bro?

Have you given any thought at all people’s motivations?

[gobbledygook]

PK confscum. Hmmm

[Drixx]

"Drixx is good as scum. Multiball lets scum do townie things. Drixx is doing townie things. Therefore Drixx is scum."

I didn't see this as much as "[all the Drixx good scum stuff]... So, I don't think it's a good reason to lean town on him." Which is notably different than, "He's scum." Can you show me where you see that? This will help me sort insomnia's position I think.

He's had his vote on me and been low key pushing me. That heavily implies his current mental state is "drixx is scum". The halfheartedness of it is weird to be sure.

[davesaz]

PK confscum. Hmmm

What's this mean?

[Amrun]

PK confscum. Hmmm

Commune with me, gobbles.

[Drixx]

Let's get some more votes on KM here. That "wheel" shit is abomination and is nearly enough on its own. Then the "look at me, I have reads" post followed by deflection when pressed to explain the scum leans. That's not town motivated.

TSE and Ank both did similar gimmicks in TvA, and they were town. Why is this different?

One can do an asinine "The wheel says..." as any alignment. The fact that X and Y did it as town in some game doesn't mean that Z doing it this game is town. You're good enough to know that, so the fact that you're pushing that nonsense is troubling.

The problem with KM was the very close follow up presenting "actual" reads at a point when they weren't plausible to the game state. That was enough to get me to poke them. Their reaction to being poked was bad and just got worse until they abandoned the thread.

[Drixx]

Okay, now that I think about it, calling out a neighbor for doing something scummy in the neighborhood is totally something scum-Drixx would do.

This is not exactly a stunning insight, S_S. There's literally nothing outside my scum range. What's with the super dishonest presentation here? Why are you trying to imply that I would only do that as scum?

[Drixx]

I don't see why we are wasting time discussing what the two scum teams are/should be referred to when we have yet to flip an ant, much less a scum player. It could be Red/Blue, or it could be Red/Orange. It could be Mafia/WWs or it could be Team1/Team2. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? And HOW do we accuse someone of "slipping" when we DON'T KNOW what they're called in the first place.

Reminder to self: The next time I run a game with 2 scum teams

I'm gonna call them Democrats & Republicans.

Oof do you want to start a civil war? lol.

[Drixx]

Okay, now that I think about it, calling out a neighbor for doing something scummy in the neighborhood is totally something scum-Drixx would do.

The above quote is totally something scum-Sonething_Smart would say.

Point being: Just because scum!X would do something doesn't make it worth mentioning on D1, unless it's something TOWN!X "totally

wouldn't

do". So, the question is: Is it?

A50 is comfortably in his town range here. Scum A50 doesn't ever even care about this I think.

[Drixx]

Just because scum!X would do something doesn't make it worth mentioning on D1, unless it's something TOWN!X "totally wouldn't do".

Oh no, I'm aware. It was in response to my earlier comment that Drixx was a weird scumread to have. It wasn't really meant to be going anywhere yet.

I don't really subscribe to the philosophy that a certain subset of things are "worth mentioning" and everything else is not.

I mean ... I am a weird scum read to have at the moment, but not for anything to do with outing BR's hood play. I misunderstood why you were referring to my scum range.

[gobbledygook]

This is exactly how PK has reacted to me calling him scum the last two times I’ve played with him. He was scum both times.

I would believe the Miller claim probably from any other person, but not him.

[Kirari Momobami]

The problem with KM was the very close follow up presenting "actual" reads at a point when they weren't plausible to the game state.

VOTE: Drixx

Let's lynch this slot today actually

He a) wants me to explain my initial take on the first twelve pages of the game

because b) he thinks twelve pages is not enough to have reads "plausible to the game state"

I'm sorry but this is like classic whiny scum. "How can you scumread me off RVS?"

Given most people at that point had 4-5 posts I think it's safe to say that if I'm scumreading someone, it's probably because of what they posted

Notice he's not refuting any specific read, he doesn't want to spew any *specific* slot, he just dislikes me HAVING reads and wants to complain about it

Dunnstral responded in the exact same manner when I was 2/2 in AvT

[Drixx]

What do you think of ppl that are not wanting to flip TSE?

TSE is why Vigs exist. There are at least 3 better flip options already for the day.

[Kirari Momobami]

Here's my explanation of my read on you Drixx: as scum, you seem to be angry all the time and hate the thread, whereas as town you tend to think about the game and not just hate everything

You just constantly complaining about things this game largely matches the tone of your scum meta

Is that what you were complaining about? Me scumreading you off tone in RVS? Because you trying to hard tunnel me for simply listing you as a scumread is like wildly scummy LOL

[Kirari Momobami]

Scum tend to complain about town having a lot of reads early, I think they think it's like an insult to their scumplay or something, and three separate people complained about me having reads this game without any of them actually offering a specific read they wanted to engage me on

[Drixx]

The problem with KM was the very close follow up presenting "actual" reads at a point when they weren't plausible to the game state.

VOTE: Drixx

Let's lynch this slot today actually

He a) wants me to explain my initial take on the first twelve pages of the game

because b) he thinks twelve pages is not enough to have reads "plausible to the game state"

I'm sorry but this is like classic whiny scum. "How can you scumread me off RVS?"

Given most people at that point had 4-5 posts I think it's safe to say that if I'm scumreading someone, it's probably because of what they posted


P-Edit: Wow the misreps. Pushing you for a reaction isn't "complaining". Your reactions were (and continue to be) terrible. You don't want to 1v1 me. I have literally zero to lose here. I'm a neighbor in a game full of neighbors. I have basically no role utility and am essentially a VT. In a FIFTY player game. Like ... I obvtowned so hard already you have to be suicidal and holding a large idiot ball to 1v1 me. But ... you do you lol.
Notice he's not refuting any specific read, he doesn't want to spew any *specific* slot, he just dislikes me HAVING reads and wants to complain about it

Dunnstral responded in the exact same manner when I was 2/2 in AvT

Oooh ... the dissembling scum makes a return to the thread.

If your "reads" were legitimate, then a sentence or two on each person isn't even approaching an unreasonable request. You continue to do anything and everything to avoid just explaining your headspace.

Nice attempt to handwave away the request for reasoning with "...it's probably because of what they posted". That's the most worthless bullshit I've ever seen posted in a mafia game. No shit Sherlock.

That last line is hilarious. Your defense here is that you are so fucking terrible at this game that you think what Player X did in game Y means anything about Player Z in this game? Fucking pathetic. Glad I kept my vote on you. In some weird world where you are not scum, you're a fucking liability.

[Kirari Momobami]

I have no idea why anyone town would ever speculate about who is and isn't a mason, or ask others to do so.

As I mentioned before, thinking I'm seriously speculating about a mason and not simply listing townreads is something that I see much more from scum suffering cognitive load. I have seen Fonz games and he is not the dunce of his avi

I'm not, remotely, GRRRRing about anything you're doing, and the problem with your behaviour towards Kirari is not that you don't SR her, it's that you're clearly trying to derail her wagon, but won't state a TR there.

This is also pretty scummy

[Kirari Momobami]

If your "reads" were legitimate, then a sentence or two on each person isn't even approaching an unreasonable request. You continue to do anything and everything to avoid just explaining your headspace.

Look at the posts of the slots I have read on. My read will be based on those posts. If you disagree with a read, you can explain why you townread them.

You can ask me about you specifically, and I am happy to explain -- you're scum off tone. The whininess of your posts reminds me very much of your exasperated omgus toward me at the end of AvT

I get 0 indication you care about my thoughts or headspace and just want me to say more things for you to throw bad-faith arguments at

[Chemist1422]

hi i'm around

why are you only interacting with stuff directly relating to you

[Kirari Momobami]

That last line is hilarious. Your defense here is that you are so fucking terrible at this game that you think what Player X did in game Y means anything about Player Z in this game? Fucking pathetic. Glad I kept my vote on you. In some weird world where you are not scum, you're a fucking liability.

This is like a hilariously scummy overreaction. Also saying I'm a liability when I just swept your entire team in AvT is pretty funny

[Pink Ball]

Everyone voting "TSE", vote with the full name. The automatic votecount doesn't work

[Kirari Momobami]

Voting Drixx is much easier, since his name is shorter.

[Nero Cain]

Why aren’t you being realistic about how you will get a wagon through?

that's not remotely close to what I was saying. More pressure pointed sounding questions that don't match the conversation.

Have you given any thought at all people’s motivations?

I HAVE! if you are scum then going for the wagon with the least resistance makes plenty of sense.

[Drixx]

If your "reads" were legitimate, then a sentence or two on each person isn't even approaching an unreasonable request. You continue to do anything and everything to avoid just explaining your headspace.

Look at the posts of the slots I have read on. My read will be based on those posts. If you disagree with a read, you can explain why you townread them.

You can ask me about you specifically, and I am happy to explain -- you're scum off tone. The whininess of your posts reminds me very much of your exasperated omgus toward me at the end of AvT

I get 0 indication you care about my thoughts or headspace and just want me to say more things for you to throw bad-faith arguments at

I can't disagree with thoughts that haven't been expressed.

If I assume your reads are "legitimate", then I care about the reasoning that got you to them. The fact that they exist is less than worthless.

I don't even know who the fuck you are, and if you think AvT is a sufficient sample to make any determination about me, you're really bad at this.

If you had actually had sufficient experience with me, you would know that I ask for reasoning about early reads. I do this for two reasons:

1.) Town are generally willing to explain reasoning, so this helps me sort people AND helps me see how other people are thinking about and evaluating the game in different ways than me. Super valuable to understand how people are thinking.

2.) Scum generally don't like to have to post fake reasoning for "reads" because it's a very good way to get caught. This is especially useful because a lot of players think posting "reads" as scum is pro play.

As a bonus ... people who respond the way you have are like 5x more likely to be scum than town, in my experience.

Of course ... as far as I'm aware this is the first time I'm having this kind of interaction with you and what OTHER people do in this situation tells me fuck all about you.

But like ... keep balking at giving me a bit of insight into your thinking because that's totally gonna make me (and anyone else) think you're town here.

[Kirari Momobami]

this is going to turn into "find the scum in X hood" game isn't it?

If you are town and you want to lose the game, you can play that game. Otherwise any individual player’s default should treat all neighbors as town until other information eclipses that default.

i think Goobers sounds scummy

I don't think it's a very convincing argument but I don't really see why you think it comes from a scum POV?