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If this is town!Ank, evaluate this statement against this universe, not the ones where you're doing far more"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Ame entered the game and was immediately pushing Looker as strong town and defending that far more than any other read, even to the point of insisting upon it whenever it's challenged, and yet where exactly is that same push towards the end when it's obvious she's being heavened? it's hard to believe that she's making a stance towards pushing a town up into heaven that she expects will make a wrong move because otherwise I would fully expect her to destroy that buildup with overblown WIFOM when it suddenly becomes obvious that she's going to be the heaven target. It looks a lot more like she was playing to try to push her scummate into the spotlight and force them to be heavened first, because she also mostly stopped contributing at the same time that the wagon on her started to build up.
My theory is that since she was townread on her own merits, she expected that it would be easier to win by pushing her partner up first and relying on her own ability to be townread in order to maintain her own chances of being heavened later on.
The third, I have no idea offhand. I doubt it's Amrun, Elmo, or implosion due to her WIFOM attempts, so my best guess is that the scumteam are trying to push the game in the same general trajectory as before which slightly more often means SS is scum than pops.
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this has nothing to do with anything.In post 1200, popsofctown wrote:If this is town!Ank, evaluate this statement against this universe, not the ones where you're doing far more
Scum got locktowned in this universe, this is a strong sign that the town needs to reevaluate the game. What it takes is to step back and double check all your reads to make sure they are correct, not just push through the same shit that's been going through all game when we have LITERAL FLIPPED SCUM that's putting her in the most safe zone possible in a post right before she flips.
If this isn't a sign that she's a planned mislynch, then nothing is.
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Okay, you've convinced me. I won't vote Amrun today.
VOTE: STRQIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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this actually makes sense with the planned judgment day theory with an Ame + Looker teamIn post 628, popsofctown wrote:Best townreads I think is Implo, Elmo, STRQ, I have a fourth I'd put at a similar level of certainty but you seemed very serious about this no more no less thing.
Two scumreads is Wooper and Amrun.
I realized on trying to fulfill this request that I really feel like I could roll a d3 on Amrun vs. S_S vs. Ame
If Wooper is d1 lynchproof that's not something to be happy with and I think I might reread this game or half of it.
Wooper obviously needs to die D1 because of how he was playing, some of which are these:
In post 412, Wooper wrote:Amrun is kinda scum and needs to die this phase
I'm at like 2/4 bad faith engagements with STRQ heads and the other ones are 1) lurking, 2) posting contentless ravings so I figure they just don't want to be read. :shrug: this is probably also scum at this point.
gl on the third
Elmo remains clearly town
implosion kinda mild town. I dont totally love how he's losing engagement but I also kinda think scum!implosion makes more of this gamestate. I want this to be slipping but it's not really. unless my reads suck he's town.
SS looks like town!SS at surface value but anyone hard townreading is more likely pocketing, or (less likely) just really dense. my dude hasn't alignment told much at all yet. SS is aware of the way he presents earlygame and does not have an issue replicating this as scum. he also hasn't shown anything this game outside his scumrange. watch this for later content but like around null maybe leaning slightly upwards
pops close to rand but leans into town a little? idrc gl on this
I find it kinda impossible to have a read I care about on looker aorn
homura was kinda wolfy
Amrun/STRQ>Ame>looker>pops>ss>implo>elmo
I think I'm L-1 or L-2 and my wagon is kinda filth buuuuut if this is hammered gl/hfIn post 511, Wooper wrote:
if this is a list of big ol cuties itt you missed a few namesIn post 495, Looker wrote:Amrun, Something_Smart, Wooper
if not I'm finding this trio pretty hard to digestIn post 520, Wooper wrote:pops I understand you are stating reads this game but I see nearly no trajectory and really don't understand how to parse them if you're townIn post 523, Wooper wrote:I think like every post you've made on this page looks like it's trying to accomplish something very specific
I don't think I believe that you scumread me
I find your discomfort with SS really intangible given you also think there was one scum in that dialogue apparently?
I think your criticism of STRQ really hits a lot of moot points? I think there's a lot of reasons to scumread their dayplay but you wanting Krazzy to be scum because he's bot hard townreading you while also being a non-factor has me a bit lost
not to mention that obviously STRQ/Amrun both need to be available for future hells to protect them from being helled themselvesIn post 530, Wooper wrote:if I assume I'm just not wrong
wooper/Elmo town
SS/implo likely town
strq/amrun I divine the alignments of later
I wonder how many red are inpops/ame/lookerlol
it's like, why else would pops have this lukewarm response, and be so willing to lynch Wooper at that stage in the game?
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is this a serious post?
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Welp this happened. Town did something. When I was asleep.
I have to ask this question. Since when we Ame the safe play even before the flip? Maybe I'm just not meant for this stuff anymore as I don't want to makeong giant posts about my thoughts and just don't think about it when the time is necessary. Either way. Amrun I don't think is scum. But if she is I'd give it to her.Stats not in the wiki. I'm That Crazy Panda.
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how often is this a scum reaction to my post before it.In post 684, popsofctown wrote:I don't see the scum incentive implo. Empirically that kind of "massive effort but like is that really the thing you should aim the massive effort at" has been NAI or TI when I've seen it (recently Asriel Dreemurr in a micro)-
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I doubt Ame really *strongly* cared whether she got heavened yesterday or not because she's furthering her win condition one way or another. Or well, put another way, it's hard to predict how much scum would value going to heaven in the setup, because there are valid arguments from the position of Ame yesterday to try to go to heaven and valid arguments to try to stay on earth. I don't know which way scum would have preferred.-
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It is also, particularly from my pov of course, worth evaluating exactly the trajectory that led to Ame being the heaven target and not me. Of course I'm part of that, and of course it's hard to glean meaning from it for the reason I just mentioned of not being able to strongly predict how scum are evaluating the setup. But it should still be worth some thought.-
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think about it at the angle of what allows the scumteam to win in the most possible scenariosIn post 1214, implosion wrote:I doubt Ame really *strongly* cared whether she got heavened yesterday or not because she's furthering her win condition one way or another. Or well, put another way, it's hard to predict how much scum would value going to heaven in the setup, because there are valid arguments from the position of Ame yesterday to try to go to heaven and valid arguments to try to stay on earth. I don't know which way scum would have preferred.
namely, how they can win via heaven and via judgment day.
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I mean, we can certainly think about it logically.In post 1218, Team STRQ wrote:
think about it at the angle of what allows the scumteam to win in the most possible scenariosIn post 1214, implosion wrote:I doubt Ame really *strongly* cared whether she got heavened yesterday or not because she's furthering her win condition one way or another. Or well, put another way, it's hard to predict how much scum would value going to heaven in the setup, because there are valid arguments from the position of Ame yesterday to try to go to heaven and valid arguments to try to stay on earth. I don't know which way scum would have preferred.
namely, how they can win via heaven and via judgment day.
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But this is the kind of problem that doesn't have a single, universal, perfect logical answer; and thus, we cannot assume that scum are using the same logic to evaluate the answer as we are in the thread. So honestly I don't think it's worth engaging in too much thought over.-
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I.e. scum perfectly possibly could have thought "this is great, we're getting Ame into heaven, that's great, only one more and we win"
or they could have thought "man, it'd be great if we could avoid heavening Ame for a phase or two, so that she can stay on earth and fuck with the town's reads from a position of authority"
there is no way to use logic to distinguish between which of these scum were thinking. For all we know they might have been ambivalent between the two!-
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Ame's big wall was made from the position of knowing she was going to be heavened, so that's a good place to start narrowing things down.In post 1222, implosion wrote:I.e. scum perfectly possibly could have thought "this is great, we're getting Ame into heaven, that's great, only one more and we win"
or they could have thought "man, it'd be great if we could avoid heavening Ame for a phase or two, so that she can stay on earth and fuck with the town's reads from a position of authority"
there is no way to use logic to distinguish between which of these scum were thinking. For all we know they might have been ambivalent between the two!
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