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[BrightEyedFish]

BEF what was up with your "it's a ploy..." line that una quoted?

I had to look back and read a couple of pages before that post. Basically, Ger's vote on FL seemed staged to me. That alone is NAI but at that time, iirc, I was paranoid about FL and Jake being on a team and then Ger was also in that paranoia with his vote.

But like you were serious? Or were you just fishing?

I wasn't not serious. If that makes sense.

[profii]

profii and Una stop being pocketed by FL

whats your experience with scum!FL ?

[profii]

I know it's NAI for profii to have this perspective

Do you mean orange NAI for him specifically or for anyone? If the former can you elaborate.

I think it's a polite way of saying 'scum!profii would have no problem pushing this logical argument that is irrelevant to alignment'

which means Una doesn't want to directly say scum!profii.

Una has openly been trying to draw a night kill - I mean I spotted the hints pretty early, but I do know that Una tends to do that, so it probably stands out to me.

Una obviously hasn't died

It could mean he is scum (hasn't died) and think I have the influence to lynch him (doesn't want to openly call me scum and start a 'war' with me)


hmmm.

[profii]

BEF where are you at with Una ?

[Ame]

Ame seems drastically different from the game I modded with them in it, and they were town there. They also seem like they’re trying to play a political game here.

I was thinking that it's odd that you remembered my interactions with flippy but are looking over the fact that my play was similar there so you know my style is NAI at the very least if not town.

Spoiler:

I think Karnage and Aaron are both town. Aaron is obvtown and I'll take that to the grave. I still think it's between Clidd and Hectic. I think Hectic is the most rational choice for today.

VOTE: Hectic

Yea Hectic > Clidd should bring victory

let's do it

I'm never lynching Aaron here. Ever.

Vote Hectic with me.

Completely disappeared. He had an explanation for the somni pocket attempt and his misunderstanding of neighbors seems genuine

Hectic is scum, let's end this.

@Clidd your PoE is incorrect. Sheep me.
@Hectic you tried to swing the lynch away from Somni at the last moment

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage Somni would have been saved

Are you willing to lose the game if Hectic flip green and you lynch me tomorrow ?

No I wouldn't quick lynch you. I'd fully reevaluate.

Lul, I townread him and was wrong so what can you do. You think I'd have been obvious about it as that?

you couldn't have anticipated my sudden switch to Somni. I think you reacted before you had time to think it over

@clidd @dsj sheep me for win let's goooooo

@Clidd this line of posts heavily indicates town Aaron:

No survivors

lol

I guess we can try insomnia

VOTE: Insomnia

L2

@PRETENTIOUS, Luca is voting Insomnia

post 878

Alright I'm back. I mostly skimmed a lot of the pages that were just back and forth arguing

UNVOTE:

I think I believe Luca's mason claim. The TMIing as town makes more sense now.

That leaves a pool of {Karnage, Hectic, dsj} that we're almost guaranteed to hit at least one scum in.

VOTE: Karnage

Why not Clidd?

Oh I forgot about clidd, he can be in there too.

How do you read his locktowning Luca with the mason claim in mind?

If you’re town you ruin our chances to win. People who scum read people on v/la are lazy and unwilling to scum hunt. Your reads should never be trusted

@everyone please let’s lynch AME before this game gets out of control.

If he thought it was a town reaction he’d have immediately adjusted his read on me. So he’s a liar or a hypocrite.

Omgus is a nai reaction.

I think we should rush it cause this game will become pretty hard to read if one of us isn’t resolved quickly.

All of these are way over the top. I thought he was genuinely pissed but that's some prolonged anger over time.

I'm at a problem where I have no idea how to read Wimpy's deathtunnel of Ame. Like there's a part of me that thinks that that kind of behavior almost never comes from scum, but I think the way he's going about it is also objectively anti-town.

Then go ahead and lynch me today because it will continue. I will not vote anyone else this game until she is gone.

Even after a lot of us tried to get him to stop tunnelling, he wasn't having it any of it, and shot down every argument before this. Either ridiculously stubborn town or scum who won't back down because hard tunnelling is his strat lol.

you know what. That's not fair to anyone. sorry.

The post before the replace out. Unsure how to view it. Wimpo's repped out of literally every game I've played with him, and I think the remorse here he could be faked if he's scum and wants to leave his slot in a better position. NAI I think.

VOTE: Karnage
Prefer this to Somni.

Karnage is also lurking, and that's bad sign close to deadline.

I still think insomnia is town honestly. I don't think scum gets that deathtunneled on a slot he knows to be town. I have my reservations about whether the mason claim could be faked, but that feels like a big risk to take even in a closed setup.

Karnage feels like a policy lynch, we'd get next to no info even if it flipped scum but if we need to compromise somewhere then I'll compromise there.

I'll need to review Hectic too because he's a big question mark for me. I feel like I can read him decently well most of the time but I don't have a solid read on him here.

If both masons live to see lylo then I'll be really concerned about the claim but for now there's no reason not to believe it

My switch onto Somni ensured his doom, but Aaron was posting as normal completely ignorant of what Somni was going to flip. This is in contrast to Hectic who had been paying close attention to the wagon, positioning himself for a Karnage vote all day, and made a case to try and get me to switch back to Karanage. Aaron was just posting his thoughts nonchalantly with no motivation to try and convince anyone.

You know what, let's give this a spin. VOTE: Ame

You've felt opportunistic today, Ame. I think you were hoping some of us would latch onto your Doro scumread with how you were pushing it earlier, but now choose to evaporate it into thin air when no one does.

lol it's called scumhinting

If I wanted dsj lynched I would have kept on him also lol it would be completely unnecessary me putting myself out there like this when I've been town read all day. literally all id have to do is wait things out.

Karnages case is bad as Luca was voting Karanage at the time that I called Somni out and only switched back to Somni because of it

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage

Somni would have been saved

this is a fucking scum claim lol

@ame, why use "saved" here?

Hectic was trying to save Somni with that last minute case on you. He thought he could convince me to switch back to you. And had I did, either you would have been lynched or it would have been a NL (probably not though as Luca and flippy would switch over as well to avoid it)

Keep trying to appeal to dsj Hectic

I wanted him to answer my questions cause there were so many discrepancies. he finally did and I'm happy with them

Hectic was trying to save Somni with that last minute case on you. He thought he could convince me to switch back to you. And had I did, either you would have been lynched or it would have been a NL (probably not though as Luca and flippy would switch over as well to avoid it)

Why did you switch from me to insomnia?

I felt at the time that if you were scum, the only person who could be your partner is dsj. Then dsj said something that made me town read him which meant I was probably wrong about you as well. Additionally, Luca made a post asking me to trust him a bit before, and it pulled on my heart and made me reevaluate somni. Finally, once Luca posted that game where Somni showed a similar reaction I compared his play to here and felt more confident in it.

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage

Somni would have been saved

this is a fucking scum claim lol

@ame, why use "saved" here?

Hectic was trying to save Somni with that last minute case on you. He thought he could convince me to switch back to you. And had I did, either you would have been lynched or it would have been a NL (probably not though as Luca and flippy would switch over as well to avoid it)

This isn't true though. There were 5 people willing to Somni at the time (not including you). I don't do a last ditch attempt to save my scum buddy, why not try and help them much earlier in the day? I scumread Wimpo's play based on meta (and still do) so made my case.

Why are you only pushing me for this now, rather than bring it up previously today?

again, you didn't anticipate my last minute switch. when scum are placed in sudden or unique situations they have to react quickly and that's when they show

not sure what you mean by earlier in the Day when we have 5 days left

darnnit I was really hoping that was a slip there

Hectic > Clidd

im confident on dsj now

let's lynch hectic

/exit insomnia-emulator.exe

Especially pay attention to the way that I TR people (#1255) and my vote requests (#1250, #1289). The fact that FL is ignoring my identical style and painting it as scummy here leads me to believe his push is disingenuous / bad faith / agenda-driven.

[Ame]

profii and Una stop being pocketed by FL

whats your experience with scum!FL ?

I don't have any experience with him directly. I just know about him and have skimmed some games.

[skitter30]

Vote count 4.4

ame (1) ~

robbnva

emperor flippynips (1) ~

ame

not voting (5) ~

profii, UnaBombaH, brighteyedfish, flavor leaf, emperor flippynips

with 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-27 09:18:43)

mod notes:

- thanks rc for helping out with vcs! joint mod iso

[Flavor Leaf]

Ame seems drastically different from the game I modded with them in it, and they were town there. They also seem like they’re trying to play a political game here.

What game was that?

Boon Gets Pretentious.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, I’m not scum, Ame. If you’re town, I’m trying to figure it out, but your pushing feels scum motivated.

Una and Profii don’t get pocketed by me, I get pocketed by them.

[Ame]

It's not scum motivated. I'm happy to work with you, I just don't see BEF or Robb being scum here at all.

[skitter30]

prodding emperor flippynips

[Robbnva]

I still want ame but if not. I’m down for FL. He’s been all over the place today.

[profii]

I still want ame but if not. I’m down for FL. He’s been all over the place today.

But why doesnt that make FL town

[Robbnva]

Cause town fl is usually more sure of himself.

[Robbnva]

Think of me if I was actually a nice guy

[profii]

Cause town fl is usually more sure of himself.

I think FL.has a process where he is all over the place but then decides so we are probably both right here
...

I think it's ok though

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I’m more all over the place as town, but when I get in a tunnel I’m sure of myself

[Emperor flippyNips]

Im here

[Flavor Leaf]

We’re a scum team apparently

[Flavor Leaf]

What’s your animal crossing island name?

Mines Flava Town

[Emperor flippyNips]

98% sure fl is town

[Emperor flippyNips]

We’re a scum team apparently

That’s new


I would vote you for distancing but idk what the vote count is

[Emperor flippyNips]

What’s your animal crossing island name?

Mines Flava Town

Nice! I named mine Denny’s, tho I do wish I went with chili’s

[UnaBombaH]

Una has openly been trying to draw a night kill - I mean I spotted the hints pretty early, but I do know that Una tends to do that, so it probably stands out to me.

If it stood out for you, how come you managed to miss this?

Maybe they'd waste a bullet on me if they thought I was something special.

+

I would've been bulletproof last night, but I guess it was a long shot anyway.

I do not know what else you could do as a Bulletproof, but try and bait the kill your way.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm going to continue my recap now from D2.
However, before I do, I think FlippyNips needs to claim.
Their entrance to this day suggested a couple of things to me, but I want them to claim just to leave no wiggle room for later.
I've read a couple of recent games where people let an all-out lurker get through to MyLo/LyLo and town always gets shafted in the end.

So I know people might disagree with this, but quite frankly I don't care. I'm sick of people being allowed to coast their way through games.

And don't get me wrong, I've played with FlippyNips before, and I have no personal issues with them. (I don't think I have any issues with anyone!)
But he needs to be forced into playing more. There isn't much worth analyzing from him yet, and that might royally screw us D5 if we mislynch today.

The way they started this day by openly throwing me in the townbin..let's take a short recap.

VOTE: una

This feels right

This was before the end of D3.
Although, admittedly, there were some..factors..

Oh I haven’t ISO’d tho

+

That’s based off of my memory of him

So at the end of the day, I was at the bottom of flippyNips' scumpool.
I'll be the first one to admit that I did nothing particularly towny

i went back over una & didn't feel the same as before, i'd like to kill within BEF, Rob, & profi. i need to iso them as of right now im leaning Rob over the other two

i'd also be down for a no kill if it comes down to it

I do not believe this. I mean the part where he says he "went back over una".
flippyNips didn't read my ISO over the night, so he either reversed his read just because, or he's scum trying to get an easy ally.

@flippynips - Now, if I am being unfair here, and you really did ISO-dive me during the nightphase and adjusted your reads accordingly, I'll apologize after the game.
But my assessment of you as a player says you would never do that to sort a player like me. You might put in the effort if you were super-invested in the game, or it was for a high-rolling player like the Boons and RC's of the site. And Robbs I guess.