Mini Normal 2119 [game over]

[Iconeum]

would think about if there's a way for micc to be scum but I think I'm leaning you!scum there too tbh, given how you seem to be playing this so far and trying paint a mech!clear on micc which leads to a logical scum!me for you

well yeah, if micc is mech scum you don't really have a lot of options to scumread i get that lol

that's why i need to know about what roles *could* be in game outside of roleblocker and ascetic that could interfere with me and still let me have a result

[Iconeum]

thus i need to consider the possible fact that i have a clear on micc - which means menal is town

errr

derp

[Menalque]

would think about if there's a way for micc to be scum but I think I'm leaning you!scum there too tbh, given how you seem to be playing this so far and trying paint a mech!clear on micc which leads to a logical scum!me for you

well yeah, if micc is mech scum you don't really have a lot of options to scumread i get that lol

that's why i need to know about what roles *could* be in game outside of roleblocker and ascetic that could interfere with me and still let me have a result

I mean I'm gonna have a look but after the duck or Ali confirms the result situation

[Iconeum]

i just verified my chat with the mod and my action result pm:

-i received a result that told me it looks like micc didn't go anywhere and that it looks like micc didn't use any kind of action

-IF i got roleblocked, i would receive a no result pm

-i never got a 'no result' type of pm this game, only the no action kind

[Micc]

I mean in my normal review for the game I ran there was very specific feedback from the NRG that the results that players got should not give them an indication as to whether they didn't get a result due to being blocked somehow or due to not getting a result so I'm confused

are you saying that the mod has been giving you two different results?

What? Who in the NRG gave that instruction?

Failing to distinguish between having the investigation fail and getting a “went no where” result is explicitly not normal. It says right on the tracker wiki page.

I can kinda see how icon could be telling truth here given the worsts answers to my questions this game hasn’t given me confidence about his understanding of normal guidelines. But it’s way more likely that shakyness comes from answering questions about roles that aren’t in his game.

His new claim that he got “didn’t visit” results shakes things up for me to rethink. But he probably still has to be lying because what prevents slaxx rolestop while not being caught by icon?

[Iconeum]

is new claim that he got “didn’t visit” results

not new tho, i talked about this previously

[Iconeum]

Failing to distinguish between having the investigation fail and getting a “went no where” result is explicitly not normal.

If i reverse engineer this, then:

-Distinguishing between an investigative fail and a 'went nowhere' is explicitely normal

right?

because that's what i'm saying here

[Iconeum]

I'm only allowed to paraprase.

I targeted menal and got a result that said the equivalent of 'it looks like menal didn't go anywhere and it looks like menal didn't use any action'

the important part is the 'it looks like' (is paraphrase) as opposed to 'your target didn't go anywhere' that makes me unsure of what actually happened

is that clear enough?

this is the previous discussion about this

[Micc]

Ninja is listed as both “normal for serial killer only” and “normal for any alignment” on the wiki

Geez the normal guidelines are garbage.

[Menalque]

oh wait, I fucked up, I was remembering the point explicitly having been made but it was the other way around

[Menalque]

as in: it was stressed that there *should* be a distinction between a "action successful -- nothing happened" and "no result"

[Micc]

Failing to distinguish between having the investigation fail and getting a “went no where” result is explicitly not normal.

If i reverse engineer this, then:

-Distinguishing between an investigative fail and a 'went nowhere' is explicitely normal

right?

because that's what i'm saying here

Yes, that is my understanding of normal guidelines. Menalque being told differently in a review is crazy. I’d like a link to that review if possible.

[Menalque]

is a scum with the ninja modifier considered normal?

[Menalque]

Failing to distinguish between having the investigation fail and getting a “went no where” result is explicitly not normal.

If i reverse engineer this, then:

-Distinguishing between an investigative fail and a 'went nowhere' is explicitely normal

right?

because that's what i'm saying here

Yes, that is my understanding of normal guidelines. Menalque being told differently in a review is crazy. I’d like a link to that review if possible.

see the post before this one

[Iconeum]

Geez the normal guidelines are garbage.

i want to note that the mod also pointed this out

something something full of lies something something

[Micc]

Failing to distinguish between having the investigation fail and getting a “went no where” result is explicitly not normal.

If i reverse engineer this, then:

-Distinguishing between an investigative fail and a 'went nowhere' is explicitely normal

right?

because that's what i'm saying here

Yes, that is my understanding of normal guidelines. Menalque being told differently in a review is crazy. I’d like a link to that review if possible.

see the post before this one

Ok good. Sorry I’m submitting through predits right now because I’m on my phone

[Menalque]

nah it's okay

so either icon is lying or micc is a ninja

[Iconeum]

i looked up ninja and thought it said it was only normal for SK?

[Micc]

Ninja Micc doesn’t beat N2 rolestop from slaxx.

If the player who is targeted by the mafia factional nightkill is also targeted by a Town rolestopper, will the nightkill go through or be stopped because of the rolestop. Assume no other abilities are in play.

[Menalque]

doesn't rolestop only stop actions from affecting you? not stop you from acting yourself?

[Iconeum]

ok so it's there

but also

"There will almost never be any ill effects to sending a Ninja to perform the Mafia's kill, so as long as the Ninja is alive, Trackers and Watchers will simply never see the Mafia kill. This tremendously decreases the effectiveness of both roles, as they can no longer directly catch scum.'

this is literally the counter to my role lol

[Micc]

doesn't rolestop only stop actions from affecting you? not stop you from acting yourself?

That is my understanding. Why do you ask?

[Menalque]

well yeah but if you're not lying then the breakdown of roles is like

rolestopper
roleblocker
ascetic townie
follower/tracker
informed cop

vs

informed doctor activated ascetic
informed encryptor
???

[Menalque]

doesn't rolestop only stop actions from affecting you? not stop you from acting yourself?

That is my understanding. Why do you ask?

weren't you saying that the N2 kill was clearing for you?

[Menalque]

Ninja Micc doesn’t beat N2 rolestop from slaxx.

?