Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

[SirCakez]

VOTE: TemporalLich
I like all the focus on discarded roles when he hasn't explained himself discarding Tracker.

[SirCakez]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

Espresso what's the point of this line of questioning? Pretty easy to BS what card you used for alignment no?

[SirCakez]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

Espresso what's the point of this line of questioning? Pretty easy to BS what card you used for alignment no?

Per Micc's setup, there's a limited card pool. By asking your alignment cards, I'm asking you to commit to certain cards. This necessarily eliminates those cards from others' claims +/ will put people in counterclaim scenarios.

Easy if you're telling the truth, but much more difficult if you're lying. If it's the latter, we may be able to catch people with it later on the game.

Oh shit I didn't read the setup closely enough. That will be great for scum hunting.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: TemporalLich
I like all the focus on discarded roles when he hasn't explained himself discarding Tracker.

Why is this still being ignored?

[SirCakez]

I turned down Cop for reasons.

[SirCakez]

I turned down Cop for reasons.

Please elaborate

Stop fishing.

[SirCakez]

Also Titus why not just ask me why I discarded Cop rather than indirectly asking via UT

[SirCakez]

I've played with Titus, UT and Milla but it's been a loooong while.

[SirCakez]

*Molla

[SirCakez]

Why would you not claim that in your first post?

[SirCakez]

What's the wild card?
Knowing Molla he would just not care and claim whenever. So I could buy it.

[SirCakez]

What's the wild card?
Knowing Molla he would just not care and claim whenever. So I could buy it.

Why would you not claim that in your first post?

Then why would you say

this

in the first place?

B/c after the question I realized who I was asking lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: temporallich
l1

Why put to L-1 so early??
That claim was really unnecessary.

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

We should really avoid L-1s in general this game because with so many likely scum quickhammers/lolhammers could easily happen

[SirCakez]

VOTE: non imh
I actually hate that vote so much.

[SirCakez]

Yeah so the discards aren't gonna tell us much more.

[SirCakez]

choo choo

[SirCakez]

Even though non is pretty scummy let's avoid L-1ing for the reasons I talked about early. Still have a lot of day left and probably a lot of people wi for overnight cuz of the setup.

[SirCakez]

Non Imh why go straight to claim rather then try to defend yourself? Your ISO looks awful.

[SirCakez]

How does that game affect your read in this one?

[SirCakez]

Suji = scum trying to fire up a counterwagon?
I don't buy non imh's claim it came out in a sketchy as fuck manner.

[SirCakez]

I have no read on too many players rn
Titus is not inspiring confidence

[SirCakez]

VOTE: temporallich

[SirCakez]

I'm shocked Titus was town btw after that hammer

[SirCakez]

I want to murder someone who spent yesterday pushing Yshtola b/c that was a dead horse if I ever saw one

[SirCakez]

UT, TL or Espresso

[SirCakez]

Actually considering this is almost certainly multiball wagon analysis won't do much.
I have the same question as Suji.

[SirCakez]

I can do CSF

[SirCakez]

TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here

[SirCakez]

So we lynch between TL and Pink Ball

[SirCakez]

I'm shocked Titus was town btw after that hammer

Hammered to avoid nk and detest day 1.

But look where that put us
Hope you feel better, anyways

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

Pink Ball making me nervous

[SirCakez]

TL is flailing scum

[SirCakez]

TL is flailing scum

Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?

An actual watcher wouldn't have reacted like this moving votes around

VOTE: untrod tripod

Stupid vote and scummy too. We have confirmed scum within TL and Pink Ball.

The best thing for us to do as town, especially in a role madness game like this is to keep an open mind and try and think of ALL of the possibilities

Super scummy post

[SirCakez]

It's between TL and CSF but whatever

Your result contradicts TL so it's you vs him???
If TL is town then both CSF and you are scum

[SirCakez]

I see.
I'd still rather just lynch TL

[SirCakez]

I don't want to hammer yet someone should unvote

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

What would you like to accomplish in the interim?

Cuz I want to discuss more but TL is really obvscumming ugh

[SirCakez]

I would be surprised if PB wasn't scum this game

What a scummy post

[SirCakez]

Anyone object to my hammer?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: temporallich
Adios

[SirCakez]

Ovine's ISO looks really bad with TL scumflip
Want to go there next

[SirCakez]

Lmao I love when games solve themselves
We shouldn't roleclaim yet though? Not sure why Kerset did...

[SirCakez]

Ok I see what Pink Ball posted.
Still seems silly to out roles when we still have a good amount of players left.

[SirCakez]

Alignment: Town Conspiracy Theorist
Role: Mafia Seer

I think that's everyone?
N1: Checked TL and got negative
N2: Checked Espresso and got negative

[SirCakez]

May as well dayvig CSF no?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: temporallich

I was wondering. Why did you start the day with TL vote? You just checked that he isn't werewolf at previous night.

Because after the night results it was obviously multiball so my investigation didn't really clear him. I've moreso been hoping for guilties rather than clears with my actions.

[SirCakez]

I think we go after Suji or GOC next?

[SirCakez]

Erm just because Kerset is confirmed dayvig doesn't confirm alignment..
Hmm
I think there's also a decent chance of GOC just being a SK

[SirCakez]

I think we go after Suji or GOC next?

Why suji?

No particular reason he's just not sticking out as a townread to me.
That could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball though..

[SirCakez]

I would love input from Titus rn

[SirCakez]

No particular reason he's just not sticking out as a townread to me.
That could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball though..

Then why did you choose me and GlowingOvineChimes specifically if "that could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball?"

Because I was thinking in the context of Kerset Espresso and Pink having claimed provable roles
But I've since reconsidered b/c proven roles doesn't mean town here
That's why I'm hoping for Titus input cuz I'm a bit lost on this one

[SirCakez]

I'd say the best course of action is no lynching today and asking Ovine to shoot EP; if EP flips town, we lynch her. But I'm a little impatient and I'd rather lynch Ovine today 'cause I think she's the remaining scum. At least PT called CSF out so he got that going for him.

VOTE: GlowingOvineChimes

Why not just lynch? Seems kinda silly.

[SirCakez]

So, in conclusion!!

We no lynch today; EP rolecops Suji, I roleblock Ovine; if Suji is actually a watcher, I'd say bot him and sircakez are conftown, along with Silver Bullet of course, and we lynch Ovine; if EP says Suji is lying, we lynch Suji.

That's what will give us the most information today I think.

I don't really like the nolynch. What are the odds Suji is lying about his role? Imo very little in this setup. We're just giving scum another chance to kill, in the case that it's not just Ovine which is possible.

[SirCakez]

So, in conclusion!!

We no lynch today; EP rolecops Suji, I roleblock Ovine; if Suji is actually a watcher, I'd say bot him and sircakez are conftown, along with Silver Bullet of course, and we lynch Ovine; if EP says Suji is lying, we lynch Suji.

That's what will give us the most information today I think.

I don't really like the nolynch. What are the odds Suji is lying about his role? Imo very little in this setup. We're just giving scum another chance to kill, in the case that it's not just Ovine which is possible.

As a case in support of the no lynch, with the express caveat that mechanics is not my strong suit, and a separate express caveat that I have not played a game with more than one Mafia faction:

• We have had two members of a Werewolves revealed.
  
• We have had one member of the Mafia revealed.
  
• We have had one member of a third party alignment revealed
  
• We are currently at an even number of players (odd including Titus, but she does not count as alive).

We can make the assumption that, for a balanced game (which while not guarunteed is something that mod will at least strive for when selecting the setup [2]), it is likely there is:

• One remaining Mafia member
  
• No remaining Werewolf members
  
• No remaining third parties

By no lynching today, in the worst-case scenario (given the number of kills last night) we are moving from an even number of players to an odd number of players if the Night kill is successful. If we are correct in GlowingOvineChimes being the last Mafia member, then we remain at an even number of players with a successful role proven and more evidence that she is the last Mafia member.

I do not think we necessarily have to no lynch, but if we do and are incorrect on GlowingOvineChimes, we move from evens to odds which does not reduce the number of lynches to successfully find the Mafia member.

Ok this makes sense.

The third kill N1 was just the claimed Vig no?

[SirCakez]

Why are we assuming there's only one alien if there are aliens?? Could be a team..
@Pink Ball

I'm personally ready to NL

[SirCakez]

Why are we assuming there's only one alien if there are aliens?? Could be a team..
@Pink Ball

I'm personally ready to NL

Read my posts...

2 aliens means there would be a chance of LyLo on D2 and Micc gets the most balanced setup

Ohhh gotcha

VOTE: no lynch
Wheee
Who should I check? Kerset perhaps?

[SirCakez]

Hmmm
I got a not-WW on Suji but since last scum is likely maf doesn't matter much

[SirCakez]

It's between Suji and Kerset for me

[SirCakez]

I think Pink Ball is clear on the fact that he got TL, a Mafia, lynched and it's pretty safe to assume that the last scum is maf

[SirCakez]

I suppose Espresso has to be considered
Role Cop is a decent role for scum..

[SirCakez]

Ok so who do you think scum is Kerset? You're not inspiring confidence.

[SirCakez]

This argument is terrible

[SirCakez]

I just don't see the point of what you two are conflicted over, the definition of sheep

[SirCakez]

Getting Kerset to talk is good

[SirCakez]

Ok if nobody's going to say it I'll have to do it.

Kerset is town.

No way Kerset shoots CSF as any alignment other than town. 7 players with one wolf and mafia already flipped, no way mafia!Kerset thinks shooting scum from another faction is good for his wincon since it would be 1v1v5 so it would be convenient for him to draw their shot for later use, lynch town, hope CSF shoots town and they shoot town too, turns the thing into a 1v1v2, dayvig CSF, gets credit for it and win in LyLo.

Yes, scum!Kerset would think in this scenario because the whole point of being scum is thinking in advance, and that's how you catch scum and how you recognize town, you see who's acting for the long run and who's not, 'cause scum has to survive, town doesn't have to. So that shot on CSF, even if it could come from scum!Kerset, came without complain, without a second thought. That's town.

Frankly Pink Ball this bit doesn't make sense. CSF was confirmed scum because of their scumslip. If Kerset hadn't shot them it would have looked extremely suspicious. It also makes sense for Kerset to do so as Alien or Mafia.

[SirCakez]

And Kerset's content today has just felt like flailing scum rather then genuine town gamesolving. I'm p much ready to lynch there.

[SirCakez]

And Kerset's content today has just felt like flailing scum rather then genuine town gamesolving. I'm p much ready to lynch there.

Its not like there is content about anyone else beside me and pink.

Terrible post and reasoning

[SirCakez]

I'm personally not tunneled on you I would consider Espresso or Suji but you're not even defending yourself so you're making it hard

[SirCakez]

Anybody out there???

[SirCakez]

I'm basically ready to vote Kerset
Let's settle up night actions in case this doesn't end it

[SirCakez]

Yeah I do. I just don't think day 2 would have gone down like that if you were scum.

[SirCakez]

honestly I'd rather lynch Kerset today just because their play today has been so blatantly scum
Suji hasn't been great but they haven't been as bad as Kerset

[SirCakez]

interesting strategy...

[SirCakez]

i just happen to be survivalistic, not scummy you bully ;_;

[SirCakez]

Saying you're fine being lynched today after I said you're being survivalistic is a little too late, bud.

This is a good point and it's scummy that Suji only said that after being prompted.

[SirCakez]

Pink Ball I'm really leaning more towards Kerset here even though Suji has said a few scummy things..

[SirCakez]

Oh that's hammer
I'm pretty disappointed with this but maybe it's just over..
Let's see

[SirCakez]

So rb Kerset if it isn't suji

[SirCakez]

I have non-WW on Kerset
Who was rbed?

[SirCakez]

I'm not gonna hammer this just yet this feels fishy
If EP was scum why wouldn't they just admit they were rbed?

[SirCakez]

But that would never work because you are alive to tell us who you blocked
EP can't just hide what you did

[SirCakez]

low-key feeling the same Titus

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, do you trust PB?

I am pretty clear lynching not!PB = PB's team wins.

Kinda? I really don't like how they've come out today but before today I did.

Who claimed survivor???

[SirCakez]

That's a super scummy post
Weren't you just saying EP was confscum?

[SirCakez]

Oh in that case Kerset is like confirmed Alien
Lets just lynch him and be done with it
EP's response here feels town

[SirCakez]

That case being that he claimed Surv
There's already a dead Surv and no one waits until day five to claim that

[SirCakez]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola Rhul

You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.

Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.

I used Survivor for alignment

[SirCakez]

LOL true
I think the better case for Kerset scum is two Survivors doesn't make sense

[SirCakez]

I want to consult Titus again before we lynch anyone

[SirCakez]

If Kerset is the last scum then they would be playing like a Surv regardless

[SirCakez]

how do you know that for sure Kerset?

[SirCakez]

hellooo???

[SirCakez]

tempted to just hammer Kerset and see what happens at this point

[SirCakez]

VOTE: kerset
Alright let's just do it
If this somehow doesn't end it we will talk it though tomorrow I hope.

[SirCakez]

Not ww on PB
So its just EP?

[SirCakez]

I mean EP could still be mafia...

[SirCakez]

Yes please. I don't have time to look at this right now but I intend to read thoroughly.
One thing that really confuses me is Ovine's death. Why would an alien have killed him when they need their one kill to win the game?
If there's not an Alien it points to EP scum.

[SirCakez]

The only other thing is maybe Ovine vigged themselves????

[SirCakez]

well I remember having read that a legitimate Vig tactic when you're highly suspected is to shoot yourself so town doesn't waste a lynch on you
it's possible...

[SirCakez]

Ovine was definitely on the chopping block soon because of SK suspicion

[SirCakez]

ok so I'm like 99% sure it's just EP then

[SirCakez]

Titus thoughts?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: espresso
I think this is pretty much solved and we're just being too paranoid.
Fingers crossed!

[SirCakez]

STOP MAKING ME PARANOID

[SirCakez]

WHAT IF PB WAS BUSSING SCUM THE WHOLE TIME???

[SirCakez]

I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO WIN
I knew one of espresso and Kerset had to be scum so I knew I needed to lynch them and save my kill to win...BUT PB WAS RBER

Bah good game! Really interesting.

[SirCakez]

I think Alien has to be changed for this particular setup to be fair or no one will pick it. Honestly if I had known the full ramifications of picking it I would have just gone for WW. But I wanted to try something new.

[SirCakez]

I thought Kerset was just the last scum so my plan was to then get PB mislynched somehow in the final three so I could kill espresso and win
But I was wrong q.q

[SirCakez]

LOL SORRY PB
I was trying to figure out a way to win honestly...I was just stalling for time
At the end I gave up

[SirCakez]

I thought Kerset was just the last scum so my plan was to then get PB mislynched somehow in the final three so I could kill espresso and win
But I was wrong q.q

We would have killed each other at night if you voted PB

I was also considering trying for a PB lynch yesterday but was too scared of coming across as scummy if I backtracked on him being town.

I KNOW
THAT WAS MY DILEMMA
AAAAAAAAAA

[SirCakez]

I was also paranoid that Espresso was legit town and PB was a bussing mafia roleblocker
in which case I could have won by just lynching PB
actually now that I think about it lynching PB was probably the better play....
oh well same result

[SirCakez]

also survivor finding actual alien on n1!?

Yeah

Would have been a very different game if I wasn’t vigged

no kidding...

[SirCakez]

who were you???