Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter
Pleasure to play with you again

[nomnomnom]

...what did I replace in

[nomnomnom]

also hi nom! have we actually ever played together before?

we haven't I believe
just modded C9++ and you were in that game so I'm more or less introduced to you, sorta

[nomnomnom]

hi nom!
when's the last time i actually played with you?

pedit sigh

you said hi to me twice, suspicious....
also I think it was in venrob PYP

[nomnomnom]

hi nom!
when's the last time i actually played with you?

pedit sigh

you said hi to me twice, suspicious....
also I think it was in venrob PYP

i was feeling enthusiastic about playing with you again

heartwarming response, aw...
VOTE: Alduskkel

[nomnomnom]

bad gut feeling

[nomnomnom]

I let my heart guide me
my heart was like "this post stinki"
so I voted the stinki post

[nomnomnom]

pardon me for the childish vocabulary I'm tired lmao

[nomnomnom]

yeah those are going to be annoying af

[nomnomnom]

hmmmm
tentative townpings on heaven

what's different from that one micro you played with him where I replaced him
you caught him fairly quickly there so I'm curious

[nomnomnom]

big provoking energy
I respect that

[nomnomnom]

adorable

[nomnomnom]

10 techniques to get your mafia crush to respond to your vote!!!1!
number 3 might shock you

[nomnomnom]

just getting him closer to heaven

[nomnomnom]

why are people always so afraid of L-1s

I've seen a lot of lolhammers in my time.

gee who would do that

[nomnomnom]

why luca in particular
scared of him?

[nomnomnom]

sure
VOTE: Menalque
I'll sheep this

[nomnomnom]

That whole thing seems really out of character tbh

I think that's a nice way to put things I've been feeling
that opening is also really out of character imo, just feels awkward

[nomnomnom]

let's all VOTE: iconeum for an

iconic

D1 lynch!

this is just a personal note but this kind of rvs post/vote is scummy as fuck

[nomnomnom]

the whole point of rvs is that for scums the first vote is never random
so voting someone's that's not in the game and saying "haha it's just a joke guys" is kind of a red flag and just sounds like scum avoiding any kind of association

[nomnomnom]

because they know who other scums are
so by definition it is an informed decision

[nomnomnom]

because they know who other scums are
so by definition it is an informed decision

you're presuming that scum would change their intro based on what they rand

it's just pure theory, not my personal opinion
your first vote cannot be 100% random if you're scum that's just how it is
rn you're feeling like scum caught for the wrong reasons

[nomnomnom]

the whole point of rvs is that for scums the first vote is never random
so voting someone's that's not in the game and saying "haha it's just a joke guys" is kind of a red flag and just sounds like scum avoiding any kind of association

lol no
it was like post 6, there wasn't really anything else to make a vote on yet
and town make these kind of rvs votes all the time

eh yeah
kind of why I didn't push this
there's a reason why it's a personal note

[nomnomnom]

idk man people seem to think I'm stupid as fuck when it comes to scumhunting but what I say makes sense for me god damn it :/
hard to make people follow wagons with me when they hardly understand my reasonings and it's irritating

[nomnomnom]

@skitt @furret what are your opinions on nomx3's scumgame?

do you scumread her

maybe

lmao
this level of non commitment

[nomnomnom]

my seer senses are tingling
they're telling me that if furret was voting me, menalque would have sheeped
hmhnmhnnnn

[nomnomnom]

i think we only had games where she was scum

we played town games together
and we played 2 games together where I was town and you were scum
only thing that has never happened is that we're both scums

[nomnomnom]

It's kind of weird that we're in lockdown, that we have a playerlist with spicy players and the game is oddly slow
twilight zone moment

[nomnomnom]

if I need to be honest, my logical theorical game isn't 100% on par
what I care way more about is how people react to me, I'm more of a tonal reaction based player than anything

yo nom what do you think of quagsire?

absolutely nothing

[nomnomnom]

because your tone felt more awkward
I literally don't remember anything quag has posted

[nomnomnom]

anything pokemon related that goes beyond gen 1 flies over my head ngl

[nomnomnom]

scumread d1 again
what were the odds lol

[nomnomnom]

This seems a bit of an overreaction to Skitter’s comment. I’m not sure as Town if you’d take it to heart so much? It didn’t seem like a massive deal.

yeah it's not like every single game I have people saying my arguments are bad, that I am a bad player, and scumreading me for weirdo things
I've grown a complex about my town game over these things and these things just make me feel useless and feel like shit
I don't want to be a shit town player...

[nomnomnom]

it especially hurts from skit considering I like playing with her and I hate to think that she maybe thinks I'm bad as town
urgh

[nomnomnom]

Any reason you are not voting me Luca?

[nomnomnom]

I've only seen his play through modding C9++ so no direct experience
He was scum that game and if memory serves well he opened pretty seriously, at least I don't remember him doing anything extravagant, probably would have not forgotten it otherwise
Also I'm sheeping Furret's push because I want his reactions

[nomnomnom]

yeah sounds like I missed your entrance posting style shift or something
is there any reason why you started doing this or do you just feel like it

[nomnomnom]

shrug
VOTE: Luca

[nomnomnom]

I'm not feeling your reads, especially the fact that you're not voting me after everything you've written

[nomnomnom]

it's not weak
you just seem to give townreads left and right without any explanation, spend your time specifically make a case on me and you don't even vote me
that gives me a lot of pings

[nomnomnom]

I'm suspicious of people who give townreads left and right because that's generally ultra scummy especially without much rationale behind it, especially in the context of micros where there is a lot more emphasis of finding other townies rather than minis and larges
I find that out of character for you considering you're someone that's pretty forward about your reads, I remember you being much much more pushy in that one normal we played together
pedit: 3 out of 8 is almost 50% of players

[nomnomnom]

Nah
There's something that doesn't feel quite right in there

[nomnomnom]

1v1 me you fool

[nomnomnom]

If I was opportunistic I would have coasted on the much more populated Menalque wagon
speaking of "townie reasons to hold your vote" what happened to "yeah no I want to sort more people before voting you"?
townie reasons my ass
pedit: you know nothing about my town or scumgame for that matter lol

[nomnomnom]

the literal only game we have played together you have pushed a mislynch bait to death while not listening to my attempts at stopping the wagon, I was scumread for opposing that wagon in the first place, the slot was lynched and flipped town, and I got nightkilled
if you think that's representative of my towngames you have more reading to do

[nomnomnom]

You were on Menalque’s ass when until it was no longer convenient.

Define convenient

I’m more confident in my read now, hence my vote.

yet your reasoning was to "try and sort more slots"
I think you're severely bullshitting

[nomnomnom]

I'm pretty sure that if you were not confident about your read on my slot you would not have spent an entire post dissecting all my posts, explaining why they're scummy, and saying that I was definitely scums for them
You're the kind of player posting things with conviction so what you're doing right there is 100% posturing, not actually posting with conviction.
You are scummy as all hell this game.

pedit:
if you believe I am reasonable in any way shape or form you absolutely have no clue about how I play this game hahaha

[nomnomnom]

pick any town or scumgame of mind and you'll realize that the word "reasonable" is probably the worst one you can choose to describe my personality or the way I play this game
this is not even alignment specific

[nomnomnom]

In fact I'd argue that if you find me being reasonable in any given game regarding the way I post, either I am really fucking high or I received a red role PM considering this game makes me feel erratic as hell
I can't recall a single towngame of mine where I was 100% calm and composed throughout, probably the game I played with you actually, and that is it.
pedit: I ask you because your reads were not inspiring me confidence especially considering the people you chose to townread

[nomnomnom]

I don't care if they're light townreads I refuse to believe anyone from this table has a 100% good way to discern skitter's alignment early on d1 and I say this as someone who's been studying how she plays for a while
what kind of read is "she makes sense" anyway, that's not even a read

[nomnomnom]

what's the point of saying that stuff anyway
if you're going to back down out of your townreads by saying "h-hey they're only light!" as a way to defend you, that makes your reads look like complete posturing
You are completely bullshitting with every single one of your reads

pedit: backing down again
I have exposed you as someone who only posted that stuff to posture a certain way, yet to scumread me, absolutely no problem
ultra scum

[nomnomnom]

the only reason why you didn't vote me is that you wanted to gauge a reaction of people in this thread before actually going forward with anything
that's obvious now that you admitted that your reads are not really reads
I see through the bullshit from miles away

[nomnomnom]

S{Quag | Heaven/Nom | Aldus/Skitter/Menal | Captain/Luca}T

that makes absolutely no sense

[nomnomnom]

besides I'm not sure why you're voting me here considering we JUST ended a micro that shows this is not how I play as scum

[nomnomnom]

also hilarious considering that after your initial vote you townread me as scum, and here you're scumreading me as town lmao
some people just have short memories or something, I guess. I somehow always manage to get scumread as town very early on, and always townread as scum very early on
it must be a sort of curse

[nomnomnom]

I replaced out of that game because you insulted me personally and I am not dealing with personal insults in mafia games
my tone is NAI and anyone that has played with me for a significant amount of time knows this
you townread me in our last micro so clearly you do not have a correct grasp of my town and scumgame

[nomnomnom]

I feel insulted that you'd imply that I would replace out as scum just because I am scumread because I have plenty of examples of the contrary
you are not hot shit, every single game you've played with me you've placed your vote on me early on d1 because of stuff that isn't even game related and you have the nerve to say you know how I am and what kind of game I play
educate yourself and read some of my past games, thank you

[nomnomnom]

like the worst in all this is that you're probably town considering this is what you do every single game and you seem to have a massive ego that seems attached to your towngame

[nomnomnom]

I have a little theory you're ultra mad from that micro still and this is why you're voting me here lmao

[nomnomnom]

spilling mad truth sorry

[nomnomnom]

Nom, please stop AtEing it’s not really helpful for reading you and just makes the game unpleasant to be in

Yeah I get that mafia can be heated, but could you like, leave thread for a bit if you’re getting upset? I know it happens bc it happens to me too, but it’s going to be a problem if it keeps happening throughout esp if it’s just in response to you being scumread

Yeah, I know it's a problem
I try calming it down but sometimes I get heated in arguments that's just how I am
TM2020 was a good reminder I needed to work on that too

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to think I probably should ask mods to give me a PT so I can rant in them without like
completely making the thread unreadable and myself unreadable
pedit: I'm fairly chaotic yeah
that describes how I am pretty well
I'm much more calm outside of mafia though, mafia is just a tense game and I have trouble sometimes remaining sane

Ppedit:
I think Luca's reads look like scum posturing and waiting for approval on reads to push me
Luca knows how much of a monolith I am as town so I suspect he could be scared of me. The game we played together I was town and nightkilled n1 because obvtowning like crazy.
Looker is probably town, he's done what he's doing in every single game I've been with him and he flipped town in the 2 other, so he's probably town unless I'm being played and he's using this as a thinly veiled way of pushing a mislynch but I don't see it.

[nomnomnom]

How do you have quag so high when I can barely remember what the slot has done aside from pokemon roleplay

[nomnomnom]

Mena what's your read on Skitt so far
and why is she higher in your list than furret

[nomnomnom]

Mena what's your read on Skitt so far
and why is she higher in your list than furret

Furret has just done nothing imo

I liked skitt, again, for defusing heaven!wagon

Cause I think she’s right that heaven is very different tonally in that scumgsme and I think the argument that he wouldn’t be able to improve his tone that much by now without playing a lot is quite valid. And like she didn’t have to do that at all so she gets +town from me for that. She’s also called me on the stuff I expected and while I’m not mindmelding with her /that/ much yet I feel it a lil bit which is also generally +town for her

I don’t wanna lock her in or anything, this is within her range but so far I think she’s been much more positive than negative and I don’t really see an agenda from her yet

hmmmmm yeah that sounds about right
I always feel scared of calling skitt town lol
She's kind of a scary one let's be honest here

[nomnomnom]

I disagree on furret for my own reasons though
would call furret town easier than skit right now

[nomnomnom]

You fool!
Such heresy!!!!
pedit: I just feel he comes across as town much more than skitt, but again that may be because I have a hard time trusting skitt despite my research on how she plays

[nomnomnom]

In this kind of gamestate it's easy to justify a vote/lynch on me yet furret is trying to analyze the situation and come to his own conclusion
I think that's pro-town

[nomnomnom]

unless there's massive pocketing games going on
but eh

[nomnomnom]

so you're saying if luca = town then nom = scum? why?

its mostly I believe from Luca's PoV that he thinks so, and Luca's experience with scum!noms probably outweighs my lack of experience with scum!noms

Luca has never played with scum!me.
Never.

[nomnomnom]

Ergh
I think the claim is bullshit but UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

let me think this through before committing

[nomnomnom]

Furret explain to me how I am pocketing you in our hood when you were the one that initiated the conversation there

[nomnomnom]

Like, you are the one that started using our hood proactively to post reads hidden from town, try to trap Luca into voting me by voting me, and in general discuss with me.
How am I pocketing you when this is a thing and I specifically told you that I was suspicious of hoods?
You also seem to be convinced that Luca/me can never be TvT, any explanation to this?

[nomnomnom]

My main gripe with Luca's claim is that if he's really neap the fact that I'm neighbor with furret creates a lot of false positives, and I'm not sure if this is deliberate game design or just a fakeclaim
but it sure does feel like a fakeclaim, especially considering that neighbors aren't that much power and straight up delve into negative utility territory if we actually have a neap this game

[nomnomnom]

or false negatives, rather, yeah

[nomnomnom]

Luca can I know why you claimed your macho modifier

[nomnomnom]

My main gripe with Luca's claim is that if he's really neap the fact that I'm neighbor with furret creates a lot of false positives, and I'm not sure if this is deliberate game design or just a fakeclaim
but it sure does feel like a fakeclaim, especially considering that neighbors aren't that much power and straight up delve into negative utility territory if we actually have a neap this game

[nomnomnom]

we haven't discussed at all in main thread and you've kept a lot in our hood so I'm kind of inclined to think that this is where you think the pocketing happened
but if that's not the case I'm very curious to know where in this thread you think I've tried pocketing you

[nomnomnom]

You claimed our hood after, so probably not

[nomnomnom]

If I tried discrediting everything you said I certainly wouldn't have unvoted you right there
Claiming macho certainly certifies your death if you're not fakeclaiming and potentially gives information on a protective this game to everyone, and that's not necessarily a good thing

[nomnomnom]

Can you link that game by the way? I'm curious/

[nomnomnom]

Ergh
I think the claim is bullshit but UNVOTE:

Yes you unvoted but literally discredited me in the same breath.

my gut feeling was that your claim felt like bullshit

[nomnomnom]

I think it's a legit claim, most likely, you probably aren't the kind to make a massive gambit claim like that even as scum
there probably are some implications to your claim when it comes to gamedesign
trying to reduce my paranoia towards my hood and whatnot

[nomnomnom]

Still nullish, tbh

[nomnomnom]

Recently I've started to realize that a lot of my null reads in mafia games ended up being scum and that I should start scumhunting the same way I play cop or vig
if I was cop or vig I would either check Quag or Ald here, so maybe I should vote there

[nomnomnom]

What's your read on Ald, Luca?

[nomnomnom]

Maybe I'm biased but I don't see it as opportunistic
What makes it opportunistic from your POV?
Also it definitely wasn't nothing.

[nomnomnom]

I've only seen his play through modding C9++ so no direct experience
He was scum that game and if memory serves well he opened pretty seriously, at least I don't remember him doing anything extravagant, probably would have not forgotten it otherwise
Also I'm sheeping Furret's push because I want his reactions

hmm ok. i think i kinda see nom's push there from a town perspective, even if the logic is bad. like i can see why a townie might be thrown off by that kind of entrance, especially considering that iconeum isn't even in this game. i don't think scum would really pay it much mind.

When I say Town!Nom in that sense I kind of mean any reasonable player (which I believe you are).

No reasonable town player would want to 1v1 me based on your reasoning.

why would a reasonable scum player want to get involved in a 1v1 instead of trying to deflect the conflict elsewhere?

Payback's a VOTE: nomnomnom

S {Quag | Heaven/Nom | Aldus/Skitter/Menal | Captain/Luca}T

you have me as your strongest scum read yet you vote for noms? explain that for me

nomnomnom (3): Heaven, Luca Blight, Looker

ugh this wagon gives me some bad feels

wasn't really impressed with luca's 208. i feel like if he actually believed in his read on noms he'd have voted there to try and start a wagon. instead he waited until noms pointed out that he hadn't.

looker's vote on noms feels more like it's driven by personal shit instead of actual reasons why they think noms is scum. regardless of looker's alignment, it's a bad vote (although i don't think it says much wrt looker's alignment)

tentative VOTE: luca blight because i'm interested to see where this wagon goes.

Like these posts definitely don't feel opportunistic to me

[nomnomnom]

Furret claimed our hood earlier
I'm unsure this was the best move but shrug, I don't know how to handle hoods still

[nomnomnom]

How about you answer the question about Quag since we're not even talking about this anymore?
I'm trying to solve here

[nomnomnom]

I'm assuming you think Quag is scum here with all of this

[nomnomnom]

I haven't ignored it I literally don't see how that's opportunism
that's not what opportunism looks like at all

[nomnomnom]

What he's done is definitely ultra null is how I see it

[nomnomnom]

Before that he seemed to side with me over you.

show me this

[nomnomnom]

I feel that's still different from saying you are town then voting you afterwards
I think Quag definitely comes off as "don't mind me" sort of player but I don't see the opportunism

[nomnomnom]

My fear with a Quag lynch really is that if that slot flips town we are back to square 1 tomorrow
not a lot of associations going on with lurk-ish slots

[nomnomnom]

Although tbh I'm starting to not see much else lynch opportunities.
Quag or Ald
rest seems flat out incorrect to do

[nomnomnom]

I was also thinking skitt but she's the kind of player that will probably get nightkilled before LYLO if she is town considering people are often scared of her

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Quag
trust the vig instinct I guess

[nomnomnom]

What agenda

[nomnomnom]

It's the same thing as Quag except he's even more lurkish
both these slots feel like they're basically coming by after all our discussions to say things that are more or less opiniated
Ald's stuff definitely feels way less opiniated and more bystander-ish than Quag, though

[nomnomnom]

I don't really know where you read the town intent
he has 10 posts max and a lot of them are fluff and the rest are questions and talking about information rather than analysis

pedit: What agenda does scum!me has to talk with you about quag, debating about whether he's opportunistic or not, and me ending up voting him?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Ald
second guessing myself here

[nomnomnom]

It's a vote on either of those
I'm hesitant on Quag and I think your tunnel on me is affecting how you read other people
There is no opportunism in Quag's posting. If I end up voting quag's it will be for anything else but that

[nomnomnom]

I wanted to force a 1v1 because it felt to me you were trying to do what Quag and Ald are doing right now and that felt extremely off character from someone like you
I certainly am not lynching a neap claim today so your lynch is out of the question

[nomnomnom]

claiming to have a soft tr on you then going on you later
then that definitely looks opportunistic as momentum builds against you
I see what you're saying and he's been definitely suspicious of us 2, but I'm not entirely convinced that's the angle I want to take when analyzing my choices today

[nomnomnom]

I never said you were opportunistic, in the first place
I said that your reads didn't feel like there was too much conviction behind them aside from your case on me which I found suspicious coming from what I know from your towngame
and it seems other people agreed, so really I wasn't the only one thinking this

convince me why I should vote Quags over Ald right now, that isn't about opportunism

[nomnomnom]

Well, your vote didn’t last very long...

how about you contribute to the conversation
what's your opinion on Quags/Ald

[nomnomnom]

Well those 2 are what I'm thinking for lynches right now and you definitely seem to think Quag is scum
I really don't want to get this wrong

[nomnomnom]

assuming reads on other people by assuming I am scum on day 1 is not good
probably would be sane to establish reads assuming I am town as well

[nomnomnom]

what's your read on him and Ald mena

[nomnomnom]

things happened so I want updated reads

[nomnomnom]

I kind of disagree
would feel bad with a heaven lynch today
sounds like he's going to be replaced regardless

[nomnomnom]

because heaven felt town earlier
the slot doesn't strike me as a good lynch either, at all

[nomnomnom]

town lean on furret

[nomnomnom]

I find it virtually impossible to believe anything. With the end result, scum could just as easily be Luca and nom.

now THAT is a wild take lol

[nomnomnom]

You feed into your own paranoia while the actual scum just sit and watch

also yeah this is mostly why I've started to adopt the "vote people like you're vigging them".
Ald just fits what you're describing here, so does Quag but a bit less.

[nomnomnom]

That was sarcasm again. Don't get pissed.

I cackled ngl

[nomnomnom]

It's not about who the townread themselves (aside from your townread on Ald earlier which I didn't get at all)
it's about how I perceived them as you had no conviction about them and that you only had a case on me as conviction, which felt like not your towngame

[nomnomnom]

I'm not introspective enough to compare the way I play to yours tbh
I think this kind of question isn't going anywhere

[nomnomnom]

I see what you mean
I like to think I'm able to detail my reads if need be
I just end up spamposting a lot and writing walls after walls so I prefer to state my opinions clearly and just detail if I'm asked to detail

[nomnomnom]

I would think it's stupid considered I talked about my reads earlier in the thread, both on Heaven and Furret
You're ignoring my past discussions about those slots, what I did with you was only reiterating my reads without adding anything

[nomnomnom]

But the conviction was what you found scummy.

If you were interested in the reasoning then why didn’t you ask me?

because I'm an impulsive player and you not voting me after that case, after that I was like "I'm voting your ass"

[nomnomnom]

I'm really not good sorting by logic
sometimes when I ask people's reads I feel like I make no progress
I definitely prefer judging by reaction and I wanted your reaction to me going aggro on you

[nomnomnom]

So were you exaggerating your scumread to gauge my reaction? @Nom

I thought you were scum but I definitely put myself hardcore on this 1v1 instead of sitting back

[nomnomnom]

if true that claim probably does fit from a game design perspective. however i think it does ~slightly~ increase the chance that someone in the hood is scum.

we can't know that until we know more about claims and all
key also implies a protective
my personal belief is that it could go either way so it's not really helpful but I trust furret's view on this considering his modding experience so I'll be waiting for that mechtalk

pedit: no
you were my top scumread

[nomnomnom]

I kinda assumed that yeah
he talked a lot about modding experience in our hood too

[nomnomnom]

the discussion in our hood felt townie anyway
pedit: I'm not sure what you're asking
I've definitely been aggro like this as town and I have a few games that shows this
I don't remember reasons for scumreading people in past games in a vacuum though so that'll be hard

[nomnomnom]

it's hard remembering specific reasons for townreading people or scumreading them
a lot of this stuff is situational, a big reason why I felt those were scumtells for you is because of how you are as town
in my head you are like a train that does not stop and will vote people with conviction and what you did weirded me out
I couldn't recall reasons for reading people a certain way unless I reminded myself of the context of the games in question and who the players were

[nomnomnom]

If you want meta of me being this aggro as town I have clear examples of that, if that's what you want

[nomnomnom]

here's an example: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79696
chose this one because it's a short one and you can see how I acted on d1 regarding chennis and Pikachu
I was nightkilled n1 as well

[nomnomnom]

bruh

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

As for Chemist and Looker, I think Looker is scummy for reasons stated above, and Chemist for his predecessor, Heaven.

What about Heaven?
You mentioned nothing about him in the catchup

[nomnomnom]

I'm unsure about Quags, but it sure does look like today's lynch rn
I hate running out of time like this

[nomnomnom]

I'd rather have the wagon on Ald because I feel somewhat more confident there than Quags
I just have mixed feeling on Quags. In an ideal world I'd like to be more convinced to go there because like, argh...
It just doesn't feel good to tell myself to vote there

[nomnomnom]

Because there's a world where what quag is posting comes from town
I can't say the same for Ald, it's all vague minimal posting, way more chances this comes from scum than town

[nomnomnom]

It's not really vague, there are dubious parts to Quag's iso but the rest of it I feel like this can come from a town mindset especially after he was put on the spotlight
he looks like he's trying to sort and isn't jumping on other easy wagons to form (like mine for example) so I feel like this could be townie
Ald has not done that at all, he's still looking pretty coasty after all this

[nomnomnom]

I haven’t thought about your main once tbh
I kind of just have reasons to townread everyone else

okay so say i flip town then. are you just gonna say "well i was wrong on that time to lynch the next one in my poe" or are you gonna reevaluate some of the people you're townreading?

this feels very townie to me, more interested in sorting than survivalism is v pro town, even though I recognize that this can be abused and I've abused this as scum in the past
Does Quag look like someone who would pull that sort of string off as scum? Possibly, but I feel unlikely

[nomnomnom]

seems like we're at an impasse
are you voting Quag right now?

[nomnomnom]

Luca can I know why you claimed your macho modifier

It just hit me that this question is more likely to come from a scum mindset.

As Town when you see such a claim you are trying to work out whether it’s true, but I don’t think this question helps in solving that. This questions seems more to be scum wondering if they’re being baited into the NK by the ‘Macho’ claim, and want some reassurance that it’s legit.

It seems odd to claim it when you can simply not claim it and let scums go paranoid over a protective
Plus if I need to think in terms of fakeclaim and scum gameplans claiming macho DEFINITELY puts a halt to your wagon except if people really don't trust your claim considering that people will think that you will die the next night if you're town so that at least buys a gamephase for scums which is why I am distrusting of these claims. I'd consider that as scum at least.

[nomnomnom]

Then again you don't seem the kind of player doing massive gambits and odd fakeclaims as scum, I'd imagine you're more classical which is why I trusted it in the end

[nomnomnom]

What do you really want me to say about them
it's not like I'm on the spotlight and the discussion is pretty much "quag yes or not" for me

[nomnomnom]

I'm not trying to get read any way I am trying to ask myself if I want to put quag at L-1 or not
I feel I'm being setup somewhere in this story anyway

[nomnomnom]

are you scum, skitt?

[nomnomnom]

Man I'm really getting an awful feeling about you right now
it almost feels like you know how Quag's going to flip and I am being lined up right next behind him
this is unsettling

[nomnomnom]

You’re the one who seems to know how Quags will flip, Nom.

I think you're massively reaching considering that you're saying that me and quags are on S/S for the majority of today and now you're saying "yeah quag is town and she's whiteknighting him"
I feel you're confbiasing here

[nomnomnom]

again why exactly are you townreading quag ?
and who's setting you up exactly

I'm not exactly townreading him but I'd really rather have a wagon going on Ald right now
Quag's mindset can come from town, I don't feel good about all this
also I think you're being manipulative right now, I just get that vibe from you

[nomnomnom]

you

[nomnomnom]

again can you point to townie!posts

It's a tonal thing I already said what I thought earlier
I just don't want to vote there and have regrets I'm not 100% convinced on Quag being scum so I wouldn't feel good voting there
if I'm going to vote there I'd like to be more certain than I am right now

pedit: no I think you come across as manipulative and I am definitely getting massive bad vibes from you right now
I don't know what you're doing right now but it doesn't inspire me confidence

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: skitter

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:
I'm being stupid it's not like you're getting lynched today
blergh, let me sort my thoughts for a bit

[nomnomnom]

i literally never said that I said I think you're being manipulative right now from a pure tonal perspective
my thoughts are just so scattered I need a good pause and a good reread I think

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: skit
depressing gamestate

[nomnomnom]

the ultimate bad feels state when you're getting wagoned for refusing to put the popular wagon at L-1

[nomnomnom]

man you are confbiased so fucking hard that you see everything I do as scummy I am just not sure what to do and skitter has this scummy tone I've seen her have in the towngame we've had together and in PYP
I'm having massive flashbacks and I feel cornered and helpless considering I know that none of my reads are getting lynched today
I'm basically asked to vote somewhere I am not confident otherwise I am getting lynched and it just seems like now I am getting lynched
I feel so powerless what the hell do you want me to do here???

[nomnomnom]

As a suggestion, you could vote someone who a) is scummy to some degree and b) has a chance of being lynched today.

sweet that is none of my scumreads

[nomnomnom]

I mean you're correct but this is what I mean by "things are being setup"
this gamestate is literally "vote quags or die" right now, and that feels horrible

[nomnomnom]

this is why i feel distrustful of the quags wagon in the first place
this whole thing makes me feel there's scum involvement in there and if there's one person in this whole thing that does that, it's skitt
do you get what I'm saying here? I feel like I'm getting played

[nomnomnom]

I'm open to suggestions but again I feel like I am about to be cornered gamestate wise and that people are abusing your confbias on me right now
you probably should start to reconsider these wagon movements are very bad

[nomnomnom]

how much experience do you have with skitter, luca?

[nomnomnom]

this is why i feel distrustful of the quags wagon in the first place
this whole thing makes me feel there's scum involvement in there and if there's one person in this whole thing that does that, it's skitt
do you get what I'm saying here? I feel like I'm getting played

are you just objecting to the quag lynch cuz i want it ...
cuz otherwise i don't get what your problem is with it really

The thing with quags lynch is that you guys are pretty much forcing my hand here
It feels manipulative, put yourself in my position and ask yourself how you'd feel if you were doubtful on someone being scum, you say that stuff in thread and people are like "okay time to wagon you since you refuse to vote there", and you'll understand how I feel right now about all this

[nomnomnom]

It's not reaching god damn it
where is the reaching do you even know what that term means
you've been confbiasing the hell out of your ass this game on my slot dude and people are starting to abuse it
you've been doing this in every game I've been with you, you have no idea how frustrating this is, you just can't be rationalized

[nomnomnom]

your entire gamephase today has been "quag and nom are scum" and there is absolutely nothing that has been said that has made you deviated from that aside from a small moment of clarity where you accepted to read my posts as something that could come from town
this is so frustrating to play imma be honest

[nomnomnom]

you know what fine
you win
VOTE: Quag
I hate this feeling of having to comply I want to feel like I have more power on the gamestate but I always get forced into weird situations

[nomnomnom]

because looker isn't scum

[nomnomnom]

*facepalm*

[nomnomnom]

Looker
by far

[nomnomnom]

I refuse to believe that scum!Looker votes you when you've made the claim you've made
it's the best way to get bad attention and unless looker is the kind to make intentionally bad plays to get townread that's just not scum

[nomnomnom]

like on top of that the fact that Ald is on that wagon just confirms to me he's extremely scum
why does everyone refuse to read Ald's posting as scum
just give me a towncase instead of rolling on your confbias

[nomnomnom]

Both these votes are extremely bad is my point
once again, I think Ald comes off as 100x more scummy than Quag here
The coasting is real

[nomnomnom]

It's not his vote in particular it's his entire ISO
he's literally letting the game coast while the gamestate devolves into a QuagvMe situation whereas quag has been involved in the discussion and other slots have been involved in the discussion as well
from the gamestate alone Ald looks scum as hell here
Please just go look at his ISO and tell me how this is town

[nomnomnom]

it's 100% the same shit that Maria and DEB just did in TM2020 did, bunch of townies fight each other while scum clap their hands and look at dumb townies screaming at each other
and what do you know I was a top wagon for 3 days straight in this game, it's almost like every game I have a spotlight put on my face because of how easy it is to think I am scum for the things I do
every game starts to play out the same for me time and time again

[nomnomnom]

the biggest thing I've learned is that I should actually just coast as town because whenever I put my vote with conviction on someone bunch of people think my cases are bad and scumread me for that alone
I really should just zip it and start silently voting I can guarantee you that then I'd literally never have the problem I'm having right now ever again

[nomnomnom]

this gamestate is literally "vote quags or die" right now, and that feels horrible

this is how you know scum have been pushing me ^ the majority seems way too complacent to my lynch which means there's a good chance of at least one scum in {luca, skitter, furret} with an outside chance of one in {aldus, chemist}. i'm beginning to think scum lies in the places where i have no reads whatsoever so i feel reasonably confident saying at least one of {skitter, furret} is scum.

looker's play still sucks, maybe it could come from town. there's also a chance that luca's claim is fake or it is simply a scum role, but that's something that can be figured out later.

see this is why I had townpings from there
mindmelding pretty hard
UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

can you please read a single post instead of confbiasing

[nomnomnom]

you know maybe quags is right
on memory a huge scumping I had on furret back then was the fact that he said I was trying to pocket him
when I questioned that he instantly backed out of it
I disregarded that back then because the rest looked pro town but, if Me/Quag/Luca are all town then what he's been posting has been pretty manipulative
VOTE: Furret

[nomnomnom]

Furret hasn't posted any mechtalk whatsoever when he said in hood and in thread that he was interested in it because the question that I asked him was "would you make a game with a town neap and a scum neighbor"
he came back in thread and said "urgh I have no idea" then just naked voted quags and me
maybe I've been looking at the wrong place and that furret is the one doing what I accused skitt of doing

[nomnomnom]

Luca do one favor to me
please reread all of our last interactions and pretend that one of us is town in there, and then both of us are town there
do you REALLY think that quags/me can only be SvS here? You are confbiased if you think so

[nomnomnom]

I'm also really not reassured that furret has gone from a heavy townread on me, then said I was pocketing him, went back to townread me, was vague about how he read me after Luca claimed his role, then literally only voted me after Luca and skitter did
he also said in my hood that "he wouldn't feel too bad if he mislynched town!me" which is a massive redflag

[nomnomnom]

the reason why you end up lynching a lot of mislynch bait is literally that reason Luca
that normal towngame we played together you acted the same
you need to work with others and reconsider, how many times do you need to mislynch townies to understand that concept?
you are creating pro-scum gamestates with what you are doing

[nomnomnom]

hum no you pushed a pretty obvious mislynch bait and the only person that opposed it, aka me, got nightkilled n1
sounds familiar?

[nomnomnom]

Yet what you're doing right now is literally the same thing you're doing here and in that game I was also pushed as scum by Tchill for defending that slot
please wake up, I am only trying to convince you because you are probably town and town working against town is depressing

[nomnomnom]

I love quotes, so here's a pretty fitting one for you.

[nomnomnom]

I mean all I am saying is that you confbiased your ass off there too, and you're literally constantly doing that consistently and you are very often wrong
a good characteristic of a good player is working with others and being able to reconsider. If if wasn't for that I would be a 0/10 town player myself
Just please stop doing this, it's not productive, it's not good for anyone and you managed to warp the gamestate about quags and me

have you ever wondered why you have so much power in some games? please think this question through
pedit: it's not really AtE when you can check my pastgames and verify that as true

[nomnomnom]

people constantly read things I do as town as scummy and vote me for completely weird reasons, and I get away with the biggest things as scum without anyone batting an eye
if you want proof of that you can check the micro I just played where I got away with not saying much of interest and people letting me get away with a scumwin

[nomnomnom]

have you ever wondered why you have so much power in some games? please think this question through

I actually want you to REALLY think this through, so I'll be highlighting this again

[nomnomnom]

No I'm just frustrated and I think luca is being abused for his confbias by scum
my first thought is that you had someone to do with that because I seriously don't trust you

What's your read on furret?

[nomnomnom]

how is it more convenient to think Ald is scummy when I could have put Quag at L-1 if I wanted to?????

[nomnomnom]

or maybe I just realized what kind of gamestate I've been thrown in and I refuse to play in it
Just maybe

[nomnomnom]

Basically proving my point

[nomnomnom]

Are nom and quag partners?

I really don't think so. With so many people locked into their vote, dying on a Townread hill is too risky.

I think it's one or the other.

I think I know what you're implying with this post and just
I just feel like quag really isn't scum at this point

[nomnomnom]

the fact that the majority of players have said that they think quag/me are partners on d1 without any kind of flip is extremely concerning
Ald please talk about your other reads

[nomnomnom]

Are you that sure on your captain and skitter reads
they seem like they've been swinging with the gamestate around luca confbiasing so I'm getting incredibly distrustful
they've been pushing this quag/me partner thing too and been forcing a gamestate where we're the top 2 wagons and people swung on me because I refused to put quag on L-1
What's your take on all this? I'm still trying to sort you

[nomnomnom]

Luca is just confbiased and I feel scums are warping around him and abusing the tide against me and Quags
We need to consolidate elsewhere and discuss our options.

[nomnomnom]

Luca is just confbiased and I feel scums are warping around him and abusing the tide against me and Quags
We need to consolidate elsewhere and discuss our options.

Who are the scum abusing it right now? Ald?

I already said I was suspicious of Skitter and Furret

[nomnomnom]

If both of you are scum that's certainly a bold move and you're certainly the kind to both do something this direct
but nah

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to believe that once again skitter has been traumatized by my scumgame enough that she starts thinking I could be scum this game
you on the other hand you've been shaky with your read on me and changing it plenty while dodging important things

[nomnomnom]

Because he has literally never changed his mind about me and quag all day long aside from one moment of clarity where he was actually reading my posts as what they were.
Now he just refuses to listen and actually talk, so it's pure confbias.