BooneyToonz UPick: Boon There, Done That [END]

[jjh927]

Okay. And?

And Titus missed the sticky fruit shit wrt Chronos?
Which wouldn't happen if they were scumbuddies?

[jjh927]

It's fuck all to do with the votes because wagons go out of the window when there's a guilty. If you want to analyse the votes you analyse how they were made

[jjh927]

Although in RCE's case it's mostly because of his reaction to the guilty tbh

[jjh927]

I don’t think massclaim is a good idea. Also I’m for voting Titus since I don’t see why we shouldn’t trust our only result for the night.

I’ll wait for a VC though

~Esper

Don't like this. BTE compulsive sticky fruiting everyone night 1 means the result on Titus is unlikely. If someone has an idea how nom got said result or was directly involved in making that happen for sure needs to bring that info forward.

[jjh927]

But that's the only big scumping and when I iso RCE it makes me scumread him less so I'm voting GB rn

[jjh927]

On GB, there's maybe a few things, but I'll write out a thing I've been meaning to for a while since I don't have to isodive for it:

Interestingly, he's the only guy who had his sticky fruit crumble to dust, and Titus seemed to say a similar thing happened.
My tinfoil theory rn is that if scum with a sticky fruit gets copped, it crumbles to dust. Which is why when Titus was copped TWICE, the sticky fruit only blocked one thing

[jjh927]

This is what I have to say about George's unvote

Scum Titus is experienced enough to use the situation to try to lay down negative associations with a partner.

I don't think George voting that fast and then unvoting awkwardly would be a Titus neg-associative plan.

What if it was a "there's a guilty" bus followed by the realisation that mechanics in this game are fucky and he might not have to bus?

[jjh927]

and I think his vote on me earlier was literally just him trying to look like he was using the "information" of the who was voting on different wagons thing because it didn't really have any thought behind it or use any of the actual circumstances to assist his read

[jjh927]

Ooh okay I'm gonna need to have more of the thoughts then

[jjh927]

Yeah it was the barb that crumbled

[jjh927]

okay so I'm a tool wrt that tinfoil

Barb presumably protected from sticky fruit
we're back to the "krazy katz got roleblocked some other way" thing

[jjh927]

I think Michael Scott has been exerting a subtle influence over the game and pushing back against various lynches

I feel they were a driving force in the compromise on KA, for example.

[jjh927]

I think the sticky only blocking once has merit to it tbf, but I wouldn't disregard scum potentially having a roleblock. No proof they don't really.

Titus defo had a barb though, right? So we can disregard the idea that sticky fruits only block once

[jjh927]

Btw chk you should have continued to let people think you were gonna be a survivor because scum probably wouldn't have killed you and you could have bamboozled them at xylo

[jjh927]

She was given one by Fonz, yes, but receiving both on the same night might not have the same effect as simply keeping it. Boon is fucking weird.

Who was Michael protecting for that to plausibly make them scum?

Dunno yet. Would have to read the iso. I'm just aware that Auro has been exerting an influence over the game now without being really up in everyone's shit, and I think it's worth drawing attention to

[jjh927]

Also I don't recall any real commitment on Titus despite a moderate level of interaction there

[jjh927]

I don't feel like my reads this game are as good as they usually are tbh

[jjh927]

Yeah but very light. Still one of my strongest

[jjh927]

I'm considering rereading the game

[jjh927]

Distancing often happens when scum are going down but you know what I'll vote RCE instead

VOTE: RCEnigma

[jjh927]

On the KA wagon but not Titus:

JJH927
Conspire
davesaz

On Neither wagon:

The Fonz
RCEnigma
sore feet

JJH927
Conspire
davesaz
The Fonz
RCEnigma
sore feet

Is the pool of lynches today based on the D1 and D2 wagons. RCE is in this list but JJ, dave or fonzie should be considered before voting RCE.

VOTE: JJH927

I have spoken.

So this pool of lynches you have here is entirely:
People who wagoned KA but not Titus
People who didn't wagon anyone

Something is telling me you are coming at this with a total lack of critical thinking, and you posted that first list in hope that someone else would come at this problem with a total lack of critical thinking before you did. Thoughts?

[jjh927]

Yeah I'll give pretty good odds of scum!BTE trying to set up a counterwagon to protect scum!RCE

GB is town now

[jjh927]

Is the pool of lynches today based on the D1 and D2 wagons. RCE is in this list but JJ, dave or fonzie should be considered before voting RCE.

"Yes I would consider lynching RCE but not before we lynch one or more of these 3 town players."

[jjh927]

I mean he's taking the classic fencesitty position of scum that don't want to bus but don't want to hard defend their buddies

[jjh927]

Do you wanna maybe

look through RCE's iso

and see how well things have aged?

[jjh927]

You wanna maybe

look through RCE's iso

and see how things aged?

Haha if I do this EBWOP it's a haiku

[jjh927]

But seriously that's my number 1 recommendation right now

I'm also kinda aware the gamestate seems to have picked up somewhat after traction on RCE passed a certain point

[jjh927]

Also, though I do like chronos following the Titus vote. There is still the possibility Titus is calling the scumteam (mostly or completely) correctly and chronos frustration is coming from that. When they feel the pairing shouldn't be that obvious.

Did not read why Titus had that grouping in the first place and I'm also not sure I've seen Titus doing day 1 associations ever?

I mean like this one

[jjh927]

but also the whole of his day 2 where he starts off ignoring the guilty and then voices disapproval

[jjh927]

but also the whole of his day 2 where he starts off ignoring the guilty and then voices disapproval

That would be a good thing to lead a case with.
It is true to an extent what KK was getting at, that I have at times not paid close attention.
Did I completely miss something where this was brought up at the beginning?
Choosing the person to build votes on and then finding a case is not a good look.

It was the dominant reason for my vote right at the start of the day but then I got distracted by George

[jjh927]

I have been doing my best to consistently choose my strongest tr and I’m solid on two picks and trying to decide the 3rd.

Can you maybe just gimme an opportunity to get a third item so I can do something

[jjh927]

JJH made a shade attack at me being scum, then I challenged him to actually back it up, then he just ignored it - ?
I mean shouldn't you be a *bit* more concerned about me if I'm widely townread and "subtly influencing" the game jjh?
I got onto the RCE wagon you're supporting and you didn't bat an eye

I need to reread the game if I'm coming back to that

Idk, I'm not sure I'm on to something at all there or maybe I just don't want to reread the game and it's affecting my decision making

[jjh927]

Like, my subtle influencing comment is more that I feel like I'm especially compromising where you are also willing to compromise, if that makes sense

[jjh927]

Because bastard game

[jjh927]

Seemed like the best way to get on top of a surprise bastard setup

[jjh927]

Also probably a net positive to my role at least because someone would have given me a third item

[jjh927]

I need to reread the game if I'm coming back to that

Idk, I'm not sure I'm on to something at all there or maybe I just don't want to reread the game and it's affecting my decision making

More like just EoD1, or even just vote counts to see what I was influencing towards/against, then D2 isn't even long.

Like, my subtle influencing comment is more that I feel like I'm especially compromising where you are also willing to compromise, if that makes sense

Yeah but how many slots do we even conflict upon? GeorgeBailey? Pretty weird accusation then, no?

Idk

It could have just been GB and I'm remembering it being more because I've gone back to GB like 4 times
And that would definitely be a weird accusation now I'm TRing GB

[jjh927]

Nothing keeping you from clarifying the reason you want one.
Has anything millerized you?

Not to my knowledge. People can just take me on good faith unless we actually do massclaim that it is a good thing if I get a third item, especially before the night phase

[jjh927]

I don't scumread you though

[jjh927]

My issue RN is that I TR most of the game

As an aside, I think LHF as a criticism is actually kinda bullshit

[jjh927]

I was just going through Titus' iso and trying to decide who should go in a locktown tier of my readslist based on it, and then I'd make the rest of a readslist, but I just reached a point and I'm gonna stop now because my next post is far more important

Chkflip, Venus and Mars, Davesaz, Chronos

[jjh927]

VOTE: Nancy

If she's town here then I'm the A50 of this game and that's unfortunate but no other lynch measures up to this one.

If you push this, I'll vote you. I'm that confident in Nancy town.

[jjh927]

I'm actually struggling to believe people are voting me here but I'm thinking I have 4 votes on me

[jjh927]

What's actually compelling about conspire's "case"? They've just grabbed some quotes and literally said they can't say why they make me scum

Why don't you, idk, look at what I have actually been doing? Or would that be too much?

[jjh927]

Let's not forget that in digging around in Titus's iso they're effectively copying my homewokr and changing it around a little, except they took the only Titus quote I cared about out.

VOTE: Nancy

If she's town here then I'm the A50 of this game and that's unfortunate but no other lynch measures up to this one.

If you push this, I'll vote you. I'm that confident in Nancy town.

Look at this and don't let it get buried. I can actually articulate the thing that makes it a scum-scum interaction between Titus and RCE. Titus is literally saying to RCE that she will bus him if he continues voting for the slot she has pocketed and invested effort in pocketing.

[jjh927]

I'm actually struggling to believe people are voting me here but I'm thinking I have 4 votes on me

Can you provide a list of 3-4 people who you wouldn't mind lynching today?

Right now?
RCE
You
Conspire

[jjh927]

Let's not forget that in digging around in Titus's iso they're effectively copying my homewokr and changing it around a little, except they took the only Titus quote I cared about out.

VOTE: Nancy

If she's town here then I'm the A50 of this game and that's unfortunate but no other lynch measures up to this one.

If you push this, I'll vote you. I'm that confident in Nancy town.

Look at this and don't let it get buried. I can actually articulate the thing that makes it a scum-scum interaction between Titus and RCE. Titus is literally saying to RCE that she will bus him if he continues voting for the slot she has pocketed and invested effort in pocketing.

Oops I buried this on a pagebottom

[jjh927]

Titus is literally saying to RCE that she will bus him if he continues voting for the slot she has pocketed and invested effort in pocketing.

Wouldn't this be something she would say in the Scum PT?

Idk maybe it would have been
Maybe she did and he didn't listen to it
It's pretty blatantly what is being said in that post though

[jjh927]

What's actually compelling about conspire's "case"? They've just grabbed some quotes and literally said they can't say why they make me scum

Why don't you, idk, look at what I have actually been doing? Or would that be too much?

Why did you auto jump to the conclusion that BTE was protecting his buddy? That seemed a major reach, no?

When did I do that?

[jjh927]

Hey Nancy if it's gonna be worth me talking to you you're gonna have to like
read the things
that I say to you

[jjh927]

What's your read of him?

Scumlean, his past posts with Titus didn't really age well. The resistance against his wagon is also kind of clear. So that could be the scum team right now.

Hey George

How come you're scumreading me and voting me and have been sort of disagreeing with my points regarding scum!RCE
but
when you are asked about RCE, you literally cite one of the things that I said that you argued against as a reason for a scumlean

[jjh927]

Hey Nancy if it's gonna be worth me talking to you you're gonna have to like
read the things
that I say to you

???

I clearly AM reading. What do you think I’m missing?

I mean, you're agreeing with Conspire and glossing over my rebuttal?

[jjh927]

I don't really see how someone who has played with me before and knows how I play could possibly think I was scum here anyway

but the worse crime is that you're following the effectively absent case of someone who hasn't played with me before rather than coming up with something, literally anything, that makes sense. Rack your brain a bit, idk. Do some critical thinking. Then come back to me and talk about my play.

[jjh927]

Like, this is the point in the game where I have finally got some momentum and some solid leads and I'm trying to follow them all at once
and there are like 5 votes on me rn, some of whom are from people who should be working with me rather than helping scum drown out the things that I am doing

[jjh927]

and give me a goddamn third item and I'll solve the game

[jjh927]

HMM why does scum!RCE do a 180 on Nancy after scum!Titus says to stop trying to lynch Nancy

What a mystery

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

How does Titus flipping scum make someone think you're town?

[jjh927]

Just, in isolation, I mean


Because the simplest thoughts are the only ones you can really justify attributing to other people without asking them for reasoning
and I don't think this is one of the simplest thoughts

The best way forwards is to ask RCE

[jjh927]

Because you don't flip all of your reads when one read turns out to be wrong

[jjh927]

Is there any more case

[jjh927]

Or like, old case that I've forgotten about

I don't think I need much more. I went to bed thinking I was the only one talking sense, but then remembered that Fonz was also talking sense but I wasn't agreeing with it so I should probably try to work more with Fonz

[jjh927]

But I also haven't wanted to lynch SF because I think I caught a crumb for something which is actually really nai but I can't separate from the emotion there

[jjh927]

So you townread the crumb itself rather than the role?

-Cosmic

No I just like something about the thing

[jjh927]

Okay so
I'm gonna vote Sore Feet
and someone is gonna give me a third item so I can do things, preferably before night ends

VOTE: Sore Feet

[jjh927]

Wow I was just about to post that basically everyone seems town rn

thanks for reminding me you exist

VOTE: Conspire

[jjh927]

If I was scum with Titus, why didn't she give me an item

[jjh927]

Hey has anyone else noticed that every now and again in my posts I talked about modifiers that are in the game? Cool stuff right? How do I know about them?

[jjh927]

Currently, Conspire

[jjh927]

I don't want to lynch any of the other people I was willing to lynch earlier so Conspire is the one that is left

[jjh927]

The Fonz, Chkflip, Venus and Mars, Davesaz, Chronos
Chronos, Michael Scott, RCEnigma, GeorgeBailey, Krazy Katz
Sore Feet, BooneyToonzExpert
Conspire

Left is townier side

[jjh927]

So you look at the progression I discuss 4303 and you're like "ehh ez distancing"?

-K

Nope I didn't actually read 4303 I should do that now

[jjh927]

The Fonz is my top townread because The Fonz has been one of few people talking sense in a game where I feel almost anyone can be town and therefore anyone can be scum. There are so many dissenting opinions that don't make sense to me. Talking sense is the odd thing out here , and The Fonz is a beacon of sanity

[jjh927]

I feel obligated to put more effort in here atm but I'm actually really tired so I'm gonna go to bed.

[jjh927]

I'm not very here atm

but I do remember this question that I don't think got answered because GB disappeared and then only reappeared when he was getting wagoned

What's your read of him?

Scumlean, his past posts with Titus didn't really age well. The resistance against his wagon is also kind of clear. So that could be the scum team right now.

Hey George

How come you're scumreading me and voting me and have been sort of disagreeing with my points regarding scum!RCE
but
when you are asked about RCE, you literally cite one of the things that I said that you argued against as a reason for a scumlean

[jjh927]

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

[jjh927]

@jjh

could you tell us the name of your 2nd item?

Did my crumbing not make everything completely clear?

[jjh927]

Haha yes bells the animal crossing currency when animal crossing was the thing I was using at eod1 to crumb a request for items I understand what you are referring to

This was me saying I got your crumb and understood that you were the person that sent me the item

[jjh927]

No

SF doesn't even have animal crossing, but it was for SF not you

[jjh927]

Alternatively I can play hangman with Sore Feet until Sore Feet decides I've said enough

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

[jjh927]

Yeah I forgot it would delete the extra spaces

_ _ _ _ _ _ - _ _ _ _
dash is a space not a dash

[jjh927]

I'm still getting an icky feeling regarding how GB went mia then came back when he was being wagoned

[jjh927]

I feel pretty good about how this is probably gonna be the lynch

[jjh927]

Actually looking back there are A LOT of things that make me feel very confident that GB is actually scum here

Things didn't stand out as much to me skimreading

[jjh927]

Reread page 187

That does NOT look like someone who actually believed they got hammered.

[jjh927]

Disagree, it reads genuine to me, jjh. What other things?

I don't think that's a fullclaim

[jjh927]

My skill and experience

[jjh927]

I am a skilled reader of PMs with a specialism in role PMs

[jjh927]

no u

[jjh927]

Nah I still think he's locktown

That survivor shit doesn't happen if he's scum

[jjh927]

there's something not related to my role that I should probably claim because there is a reasonable chance I have been bamboozled but I'm still kinda unsure about claiming it

[jjh927]

N2

[jjh927]

Put it like this

If I have not been bamboozled, then it's a guilty on RCE

[jjh927]

But like
that seems unlikely because I got a stuffed elephant last night and I'm guessing that was from RCE

[jjh927]

That is indeed all I got last night yes

[jjh927]

Okay so

N2
I got a message supposedly from Elsa Jay
that Nom, RCE, and GeorgeBailey contained scum because they were partners in some private alternate game
and I was told not to say anything about it because it would compromise "us", which tbh could be referring to like, anyone

[jjh927]

Compromise that!

[jjh927]

but like yeah if I rushed in claiming a guilty on RCE then I would be very easily bamboozled

[jjh927]

I feel there are some parts of my day 3 play which are kinda explained by this message

[jjh927]

I HAVE NO IDEA

[jjh927]

Why didn't GB claim this private alternate game when he was already getting lynched if it was real?

[jjh927]

I have
no
idea

[jjh927]

A post restriction that continues to be a problem in the time period between hammer and flip?

[jjh927]

I'm probably being more sceptical than this deserves tbh

it'd be an incredibly inspired bamboozle if scum were tricking me with it

[jjh927]

Fairly

[jjh927]

Holy shit I somehow totally missed that confessional thread shit wow

[jjh927]

I'll see what you're doing and raise you a "maybe tomorrow"

VOTE: RCEnigma

I have chosen to trust Elsa Jay and I guess I'll just be sad if it turns out to be a bambioozle

[jjh927]

What about alternate GAMES related to this game though

[jjh927]

You haven't denied the allogations and instead denied speculation about them

[jjh927]

Also it's nothing to do with the stuffed elephant unless nom and GB also got one

[jjh927]

I get that this is a really strange guilty but the things you said are totally missing the mark here

[jjh927]

You haven't denied the allogations and instead denied speculation about them

What can I say? Nah man Elsa's a liar I'm totally not scum.

GB could have cleared this up yesterday if he'd been asked about it. But I'm the only person left from that list and I don't know anything about it so.

Interesting that you say Elsa is a liar, and not
A. Me
Or B. Someone pretending to be Elsa

I want to hear explicit denial

[jjh927]

I mean
My understanding, based on that PM, is that there exists a secret game that happened or is happening in a PT

And I'm suspicious you can't explicitly confirm or deny that

[jjh927]

Hmm

If you're willing to run with saying whatever

[jjh927]

Say

"I was in a private game with Elsa Jay, GeorgeBailey, and nomnomnom."

Then make another post quoting that post and say it's bullshit.

I think it's more likely you'd be disallowed from saying it was true than saying it was false so I'll cover my bases

[jjh927]

JJH, why aren't you considering scum mailman at all? Why are you taking the vailidy of this message at face value; expecially the fact it's from Elsa in the first place? Did the mod confirm it's from Elsa Jay, or is it just signed from Elsa Jay?

-Cosmic

Scum mailman pretending to be Elsa Jay is a form of bamboozle I have considered, but also one I think is least likely because if a scum mailman was gonna pretend to be someone and send me a message then why the fuck would they choose Elsa Jay?

I've just pretended not to be considering bamboozle while interrogating RCE because a strong stance is better

[jjh927]

ngl I'd probably have been voting in RCE and George for most of the day anyway without the message
The main effect of the message was that I was slightly less willing to compromise, and that now I've claimed it there is the world's most spurious guilty in play

[jjh927]

Hey we have a self-proclaimed booneytoonz expert in the game

Please tell me everything of note that Elsa Jay has ever done in a booneytoonz game

[jjh927]

I do think the most likely scenarios are:
1. It's all valid stuff
2. It's some pre-scripted mechanical nonsense from Boon

because the very idea is like, extremely inspired and convoluted as a gambit. Some of the details are just very specific things that someone would have to come up with

[jjh927]

Why wouldn't they sign it from someone I actually trusted

[jjh927]

Scum mailman could have signed it from Mastina and I'd have taken it all as absolute truth and you'd have had no idea I received anything

So unless it's a role that explicitly has to sign its messages from Elsa Jay, it's probably not from scum

[jjh927]

Another scenario is that Elsa Jay is a scum mailman who is not alive in this game

[jjh927]

Scum!JJH is completely making this up. Makes him look townier for receiving something like this in the first place.

While I don't personally need to humour this scenario, I am pretty sure it's above my 4d chess skill level

[jjh927]

Nope. I'm a logical individual.

[jjh927]

Someone I trust would be more likely to message me shit
Probability-wise, everything about it would be far more believable from like, anyone else.

[jjh927]

HA, WE'RE INVINCIBLE

-Cosmic

Hey it looks like giving me that third item was a good idea huh funny that

[jjh927]

Scum are royally fucked rn

Anyway I thought Nancy was gonna put me in a boonus round with conspire so I could coordinate some shit

[jjh927]

Hmm well I just docced Conspire if that helps

[jjh927]

Ah yes very weird to be talking mechanics

I'll vote Elsa in a bit but let me speak to Conspire

[jjh927]

Oh yeah I don't have any of the items I used to have because I turned them all into fruit

If Conspire had not eaten theirs, they'd be able to pass it around, but they did eat it so I'll give them another one

[jjh927]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

L-1

[jjh927]

Btw I could have chosen from like 6 different things for what royal fruit actually did but I chose the healing on the night you receive one option.

[jjh927]

I think you just got pranked

[jjh927]

Bastard game

[jjh927]

If it works then it is good
If it does not work then the only thing we lose is dignity

[jjh927]

Wow look at chkflip and all the dignity he is unwilling to sacrifice

[jjh927]

Boon will lose modding experience with or without your campaign for running an unadvertised bastard game

[jjh927]

There are confirmed bastard elements to this game though

[jjh927]

Stuff in the confessions thread especially

[jjh927]

Confirmed bastard elements:
Mid game alignment changes
Undivulged non-randomness in alignments

Still possible but unconfirmed bastard elements:
Secret win conditions
Direct moderator influence
Elsa Jay

[jjh927]

Btw Boon was not able to confirm whether or not my message was actually from Elsa Jay but I did ask

[jjh927]

Oh shit yeah I forgot Vecna's role PM was actually a lie

That's even ticking the moderator lies box

[jjh927]

Then you, too, have been pranked

[jjh927]

I'm pretty sure if we vote Elsa nothing happens and we all look a little silly but we can get on with our lives

[jjh927]

OH NO

[jjh927]

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOMED

[jjh927]

Now we just have to wait 4 days or so for the next votecount

[jjh927]

Seconded

[jjh927]

Elsa Jay is not a vote option.

What about if we do it again

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[jjh927]

Oh shit it just turned midnight and now it's my scumday

[jjh927]

I think RCE flips town here a lot more frequently than he did in shakespeare

chronus I kinda thought was scum through PoE

Would you know if Chronus is familiar with Elsa or not?

Jjh getting an unconfirmed message from Elsa of all people that RCE was scum, is seriously whack.

It wasn't a message that RCE was scum

It was that Nom, GeorgeBailey, and RCE CONTAINED scum, on the same night Nom died. Also the reasoning was totally bizarre but believable for this bastard shit

[jjh927]

I think RCE flips town here a lot more frequently than he did in shakespeare

chronus I kinda thought was scum through PoE

Would you know if Chronus is familiar with Elsa or not?

Jjh getting an unconfirmed message from Elsa of all people that RCE was scum, is seriously whack.

It wasn't a message that RCE was scum

It was that Nom, GeorgeBailey, and RCE CONTAINED scum, on the same night Nom died. Also the reasoning was totally bizarre but believable for this bastard shit

What was the reasoning? and I’d still be pissed if I were RCE, irrespective of his flip.

I'm gonna do some paraphrasing with commentary

-Those people contain scum
-Elsa is in a private alternate game and

we

're partners.

I realise I misread some details. I thought the implication was that all of those players including Elsa were in a private game, but I now realise this only referred to Elsa. Furthermore, I am unsure what "we" refers to. The "we" could even mean me and Elsa. That would be awkward.

-I am then told not to talk about it because it will "compromise us".

Again, I am unsure who "us" refers to. This could actually refer to me and Elsa again, which would continue to be awkward.

-Elsa cannot say more, but apparently Boon might say more later.

Great.

-It's signed Elsa Jay.


So ultimately, this whole thing is some weird fucking mechanics and there's a chance I totally fucked over Elsa in some other private game that is somehow linked to this one.

[jjh927]

Boon is never gonna explain that nonsense in thread

[jjh927]

26] I will not answer any role-related questions in the game thread. If you have any questions about your role, the (theoretical) roles of any other players in the game, or (theoretical) role interactions, send me a PM. Do not try to trick me into confirming a player's role. I will not be amused.

This is one of the many rules everyone should have read but I swear I'm like the only guy who always reads the rules for every game

[jjh927]

Does anyone want to try lynching someone else who isn't in the game

[jjh927]

Or maybe we could try lynching someone we already lynched but again

[jjh927]

If we regularly do stupid shit Boon will have to regularly do votecounts to tell us that the stupid shit is stupid

[jjh927]

VOTE: the worst

Who are we waiting for on massclaim btw?

[jjh927]

This wagon is 100% hitting scum

[jjh927]

There are a fuckton of other modifiers and it's concerning that bte is limiting the options to a hypothetical guilty.

[jjh927]

Tbh I feel like BTE has been consistently coming up with awful reasons to scumread me rather than updating his read on me in light of new info

[jjh927]

We're getting back into real talk here

[jjh927]

Tbh I feel like BTE has been consistently coming up with awful reasons to scumread me rather than updating his read on me in light of new info

I took you out of my lynch pile yesterday. There is some questionable stuff around your role but I'm not voting you if that says anything.

... When?

[jjh927]

VCA's best result chance for hitting scum points to jjh.

[jjh927]

Also 4104 is two days ago

[jjh927]

Also I'm a better fruit vendor than you

[jjh927]

Sure except since then I feel like you've been taking trash tier potshots to see what might stick

[jjh927]

Also I'm a better fruit vendor than you

But I'm super-duper vendor.

And I'm a royal fruit vendor

[jjh927]

Quite possibly yes

[jjh927]

Trash tier potshots, not trash talk. Like, saying I might be scum because there's a chance that you may have got the loyal modifier somehow for all of your actions that night.

I care about it because it indicates that you're scum trying to grasp at straws to lynch a slot you thought was lynchable before

[jjh927]

What do the fruits you gave out on n3 do?

[jjh927]

Trash tier potshots, not trash talk. Like, saying I might be scum because there's a chance that you may have got the loyal modifier somehow for all of your actions that night.

I care about it because it indicates that you're scum trying to grasp at straws to lynch a slot you thought was lynchable before

Do you think that me as the "alleged" last scum would push for a lynch even though I'm practically TR by everyone?

You aren't TRed by everyone, practically or otherwise. Also, yes. That's called the scum wincon.

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Also I had no idea there was only one scum left thanks

VOTE: BTE

[jjh927]

I assumed you said alleged because I was alleging you were scum tbh

PEdit: I don't pay any attention to Nancy's mechanical posts because they're usually misunderstandings

[jjh927]

2

[jjh927]

The part where you said it points to 3 scum is the part where you're likely to be wrong

[jjh927]

If we lynch enough random people that aren't in the game, one of them might replace in

[jjh927]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Oops wtf was I doing on that account on my phone

[jjh927]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Just to make things clearer again


Holy fuck though what a scumclaim
Can't believe Chronos did me like that

[jjh927]

The scummy part is where your predecessor told me that nom, GeorgeBailey, and RCE contained scum and made up a reason for why

[jjh927]

Idk maybe you should read the message you sent me and then you'd understand that it was a blatantly pro-scum use of a messenger ability that would have been anonymous if you hadn't claimed it

[jjh927]

No I know fuck all about Chronos' meta

What I do know is that Chronos misled me with an effectively anonymous messenger ability

[jjh927]

We all have already read it because it went public with davesaz's flip

[jjh927]

I think Krazy just wanted you to summarise in case you got a different one

[jjh927]

Don't say that

Scumclaiming was the most useful thing you could have done

[jjh927]

The latter but you don't get to choose

[jjh927]

Can you just confirm you've read the message your slot sent me and still think it's a town usage of your ability?

[jjh927]

I mean yeah there's basically no reason at this point to continue today lmao

[jjh927]

Gamma should be flipping red

Don't really know if it reflects badly on RCE though

[jjh927]

I seriously regret asking RCE to say things so I could be sure he wasn't post restricted because I should have realised that Nancy would be incapable of understanding posts in context

[jjh927]

Wait are you not letting me talk to Conspire again

[jjh927]

I should probably decide whether to fullclaim or not then

[jjh927]

I seriously regret asking RCE to say things so I could be sure he wasn't post restricted because I should have realised that Nancy would be incapable of understanding posts in context

What are you thinking I’m misunderstanding?

I KNOW you are misunderstanding what RCE said. Because I asked him to say he WAS in a private game with Elsa, GB, and Nom, even if he wasn't, just to prove he didn't have a post restriction. Then deny it afterwards. Also to prove he didn't have a post restriction.

His stance has ALWAYS been that he was not in such a game.

[jjh927]

Why the fuck am I likely a 3p

[jjh927]

If I'd reached an alternate wincon I wouldn't be playing the game, Nancy

Critical thinking please

[jjh927]

Boon like
asked in a VC's mod notes whether anyone was playing animal crossing

so I told him I was, because I was

and then he joked that I'd achieved an alternate wincon. And I understand fully that it was a joke, because A. Playing animal crossing is not a wincon in mafia, and B. My role PM has the town wincon and no others.

I do, however, reserve the right to refer to Boon's post saying that I achieved an alternate wincon to declare myself a winner if we somehow lose the game.

[jjh927]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

if it's confirmed in game then I can't refer to to it after the game as though it was real

[jjh927]

It's actually ridiculous we had to discuss this tbh

[jjh927]

You mean chronos slot but yes

I also think the extra confessional access is mechanically likely to be scum

but the biggest influence on the mechanical scum likelihood is the fucking Elsa Jay message

[jjh927]

It's a top tier bamboozle, I'll say that.