Twice Baked Wrestling: Brawl at the Bakery! {Game Over}

[Cena and Savage]

Not on the whole, actually I was discussing the plan in my masonry and was going to propose it later tonight. I actually think it's a fairly townie proactive thought process, the only thing that jumped out at me was you characterizing my slot as a "problem slot" since that was kinda gross

[gobbledygook]

I only really said it because when I was doing my read through several people expressed dislike for the hydrae in the game. It was more as a way for those people to have agency in removing something they do not want in the game, but still going along with my plan.

[Cena and Savage]

Anyway here's the blockings I'd go for:

Team 1: Vigs panzerjager
Cena and Savage
Battle Mage
Wondertank
Ramcius

Team 2: vigs flavor leaf? they can discuss and decide vs. flubber
Reck
UT
chenni
DGB

Team 3: can choose vig shot together
gobbledygook
egix
KuroiXHF
Emperor flippynips

Team 4: vigs.... something in team 5?
Flubber
Lavender
Doctor Drew
Espressojet

Team 4: needs to justify their continued existence by vigging scum
hiplop
BullDunne
Boon
pisskop


The appeal of teams of 3 vs teams of 4 is whether we imagine scum have a roleblocker vs. whether we believe scum have a scum protective vs. whether we want to totally shut down all town PRs vs whether we want to make it very hard for scum to manage nightkills.

I was thinking teams of 4 would be better since a) then if there was a very strong TPR in the group they could still act and b) there's enough ??? slots in this game that I don't want to mislynch people because they forgot to submit a night action

But you might be right that forming a poe of slots where there would HAVE to be a multitasking scum player might be informative as well

I'm still thinking about it and was trying to decide whether getting town to agree to synchronized finishes was worth the effort since forcing it would require me to claim, but you're right that some amount of leadership does allow town an immense amount of power in eliminating scummy or PoE slots

-JC

[Cena and Savage]

I only really said it because when I was doing my read through several people expressed dislike for the hydrae in the game. It was more as a way for those people to have agency in removing something they do not want in the game, but still going along with my plan.

right but 2/3 of those slots replaced out and the other is definitely dying before tomorrow so... like slots like Reck and UT might not love hydras but they're at least capable of reason so I'm not really worried about their sentiments

-JC

[Cena and Savage]

Anyway my mason partner was arguing they didn't want to claim but if we are going for mass finishes night 1 then I would need to claim so people aren't wasting shots and I'm strongly inclined to claim the other mason as well. They also don't think the mass finishes plan will gain support so they will probably only out if the mass finishes plan gains traction

-JC

[gobbledygook]

Why did you claim mason?

[Cena and Savage]

Second team 4 should have been team 5

was playing around, originally was actually going to do teams of 5 people since I wanted to give some tprs room to work but actually the collective vigging power is probably stronger than anything any individual tpr has so maybe we even want to go down to groups of 3?

But if we're doing groups of 3 I'm going to get very insistent that we actually just lynch panzer today because that slot is never alive on day 2.

-JC

[gobbledygook]

This game has anyway between 5-7 non town roles. Probably 5 scum and 1 third party, but I could see DEB doing other weird things. I think it is highly likely that this game has at least 1 third party. DEB loves his third parties.

[gobbledygook]

Why teams of 4? That gives scum within the teams plausible deniability to not do their power.

[Cena and Savage]

Why did you claim mason?

I was going to start pushing for the mass finishes plan today anyway and if it actually is going to be realized it is correct to claim mason because:
a) people cannot be using finishes on me
b) we need to get enough town cohesion that slots have the chance to respond to the intended vig shots/finishes
c) I don't really think you're the only slot that was thinking what you said on the last page and I don't want to find out there's more people thinking "herpaderp finishing hydras is protown" on night 1

-JC

[Cena and Savage]

Why teams of 4? That gives scum within the teams plausible deniability to not do their power.

As I just said, the other concerns are:
a) I don't know the rest of town power
b) if scum have roleblockers then then can block finishes and prevent vigs

1 "overkill" on finishes makes it more certain and gives the strongest prs more room to work

but you're right that hard leashing everyone to groups of 3 also has strong merits and I'm open to that as well

-JC

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, Cena and savage are probably scum.

They obviously know me and should know that my inactivity is never gonna stay that way.

[Cena and Savage]

Also even with 10+ days remaining getting town to agree on 5 vig shots is already kinda a tall ask

It's also the case that in every group of 3, if there is one scum in the group of 3, then they just don't pull the trigger. If we do groups of 4 then it's more likely we get 3 towns and the vig shot actually lands

-JC

[gobbledygook]

Why did you claim mason?

I was going to start pushing for the mass finishes plan today anyway and if it actually is going to be realized it is correct to claim mason because:
a) people cannot be using finishes on me
b) we need to get enough town cohesion that slots have the chance to respond to the intended vig shots/finishes
c) I don't really think you're the only slot that was thinking what you said on the last page and I don't want to find out there's more people thinking "herpaderp finishing hydras is protown" on night 1

-JC

I was going to be that town cohesive leader I was townreading you and you were never on my first to die list of 6.
I am worried that scum will want to kill you so if you could not out your partner that would be swell.

Masons are op the later they get into game.

[gobbledygook]

yeah, Cena and savage are probably scum.

They obviously know me and should know that my inactivity is never gonna stay that way.

I will say I was a bit ??? on the groupings and also the targets as well

[Cena and Savage]

Boon you just have to find a better vig shot for group 2

It's not even my group lol

-JC

[Cena and Savage]

I was going to be that town cohesive leader I was townreading you and you were never on my first to die list of 6.
I am worried that scum will want to kill you so if you could not out your partner that would be swell.

Masons are op the later they get into game.

Yeah I like your posts this game but you were right, panzer would probably try to get some finishes on my slot if he isn't lynched today and I mostly just didn't want a protracted discussion of whether organized finishes was a "scum motivated" plan because that would just drag out the more interesting discussions to be had once it's in place

-JC

[Cena and Savage]

I will say I was a bit ??? on the groupings and also the targets as well

What groupings would you suggest?

[Cena and Savage]

yeah, Cena and savage are probably scum.

They obviously know me and should know that my inactivity is never gonna stay that way.

I do think that ignoring how strong this plan is for town and focusing exclusively on the fact that you're in the PoE having done nothing townie and only scummy things doesn't help improve my read of you whatsoever

-JC

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk the plan. I just saw my name. I’ll catch up eventually, and I’ll become the top poster.

[Flavor Leaf]

Enjoy this time prior to me coming in

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m assuming that was for the finisher mechanic? I disagree at all that we should try and map that out. That’s so easily manipulateable by scum. We can do that in a few day phases, not now

[gobbledygook]

I will say I was a bit ??? on the groupings and also the targets as well

What groupings would you suggest?

I will get to this, but I am watching documentaries on Netflix and procrastinating a large amount of school work.
Who would be your top 5 vig targets?

[Cena and Savage]

I’m assuming that was for the finisher mechanic? I disagree at all that we should try and map that out. That’s so easily manipulateable by scum. We can do that in a few day phases, not now

Using it right now while the most town are still alive means that we have the most potential shots for it

Every time town dies either by mislynch or nightkill, that's finishers that we lose

So actually coming out strong and getting the most shots early in the game is quite pro-town

-JC

[Cena and Savage]

It also means that every single lurker slot can learn that they have to play day 1 otherwise they will die which is also good

-JC