Twice Baked Wrestling: Brawl at the Bakery! {Game Over}

[gobbledygook]

There really is no reason to not do this plan. It forces scum to either abide by the plan and forfeit their night action or break it and then confirm themselves as scum within a group.

[gobbledygook]

Even if we only get one finisher in the game, using it to open the game up with that many deaths is good for the overall health of the game.

[chennisden]

Not really, if we put all the people who don't want to shoot or who won't agree into their own pool then we can mitigate that. I mean those people are much more likely to then be in the vig pool at that point over lurkers but that's the choice they can make. In any case I don't *really* see why more than 4 people would be opposed to vigging scum or lynch bait night 1

-JC

I don't *really* see how you're going to get a sizable portion of the game to just *agree* that a) your plan is correct and b) to shoot who *you* want them to

[chennisden]

And scum doesn't fuck with this plan because?

[chennisden]

Like let's say they have to "forego a night action." If they're targeting town they get free cover

If they're targeting scum they can just screw it up on purpose. And nobody is going to care because WIFOM whatever

And there's a billion other possibilities, what about redirecting? Or what if scum can just say "Aight, we're just gonna be invincible this night now get fucked"

[Cena and Savage]

Of course scum tries to fuck with the plan which is why I say groups of 4

and my plan doesn't require them to shoot who I want them to shoot, it requires them to get 3 people to agree with them on who to shoot

-JC

[chennisden]

Trng t sove a gme mehancay wth no infmation is lke trng t sove a mth pble wh hlf th letrs msing

[Cena and Savage]

Like let's say they have to "forego a night action." If they're targeting town they get free cover

If they're targeting scum they can just screw it up on purpose. And nobody is going to care because WIFOM whatever

And there's a billion other possibilities, what about redirecting? Or what if scum can just say "Aight, we're just gonna be invincible this night now get fucked"

All of these things will still be problems without coordination except if we don't coordinate town has much less information

this way people who are on track to get vigged can respond to the accusations to the people who will kill them

-JC

[chennisden]

Of course scum tries to fuck with the plan which is why I say groups of 4

and my plan doesn't require them to shoot who I want them to shoot, it requires them to get 3 people to agree with them on who to shoot

-JC

This still feels very unlikely to work

[PJ.]

And scum doesn't fuck with this plan because?

Because the scum is dictating it. In what world does a town player try to direct the night actions of ~16 players, including some lurkers.

[chennisden]

There are plenty of ways for town to figure out how to play their cards without showing them to everyone - including scum.

[chennisden]

And scum doesn't fuck with this plan because?

Because the scum is dictating it. In what world does a town player try to direct the night actions of ~16 players, including some lurkers.

Yes but also, is scum really dumb enough to be the one to propose this

[Cena and Savage]

Trng t sove a gme mehancay wth no infmation is lke trng t sove a mth pble wh hlf th letrs msing

It's a bastard game so mech information has no promise of being better tomorrow

You hard fighting this is not making it easier to townread you btw

-JC

[Wondertank]

See, now a person who watches psycho pass would not want to follow the plan

[chennisden]

"Baker Level Bastard" means "some strange element(s)," not "the mod is lying and the world is upside down."

[PJ.]

There really is no reason to not do this plan. It forces scum to either abide by the plan and forfeit their night action or break it and then confirm themselves as scum within a group.

Scum 2 here.

How do you know that Scum can't use the finisher mechanic and their night action(this is common in a lot of these heavy mechanic games)?
Why wouldn't you acknowledge that town power roles could also be forfeiting their night action?
How would you differentiate between a town PR that doesn't forfeit their action vs a scum that doesn't?

[Wondertank]

2 slots that are trying to play or a 1 slot that throwing tantrum? I'm fine with using my finisher on you tonight, if we can get more people interested

Battle Mage, Alisae, want to join in on this?

If we have four people that agree to finish Panzer then the only way he should be saved would be if scum use protective on him which would give us a fair amount of info on the setup

My preference though would still be to simply lynch the slot though VOTE: Panzer given he's still doing nothing other than complaining about his empty policy lynch push

-JC

i would much prefer to lynch panzer

[Wondertank]

i know you detailed your plan somewhere im gettin to it

[chennisden]

$10 a large part of D1 will get dictated by Cena and gang

[Wondertank]

Anyway here's the blockings I'd go for:

Team 1: Vigs panzerjager
Cena and Savage
Battle Mage
Wondertank
Ramcius

Team 2: vigs flavor leaf? they can discuss and decide vs. flubber
Reck
UT
chenni
DGB

Team 3: can choose vig shot together
gobbledygook
egix
KuroiXHF
Emperor flippynips

Team 4: vigs.... something in team 5?
Flubber
Lavender
Doctor Drew
Espressojet

Team 4: needs to justify their continued existence by vigging scum
hiplop
BullDunne
Boon
pisskop


The appeal of teams of 3 vs teams of 4 is whether we imagine scum have a roleblocker vs. whether we believe scum have a scum protective vs. whether we want to totally shut down all town PRs vs whether we want to make it very hard for scum to manage nightkills.

I was thinking teams of 4 would be better since a) then if there was a very strong TPR in the group they could still act and b) there's enough ??? slots in this game that I don't want to mislynch people because they forgot to submit a night action

But you might be right that forming a poe of slots where there would HAVE to be a multitasking scum player might be informative as well

I'm still thinking about it and was trying to decide whether getting town to agree to synchronized finishes was worth the effort since forcing it would require me to claim, but you're right that some amount of leadership does allow town an immense amount of power in eliminating scummy or PoE slots

-JC

I think you can assign signifcantly better teams.

[Wondertank]

yeah, Cena and savage are probably scum.

They obviously know me and should know that my inactivity is never gonna stay that way.

no he's in his townrange what

[chennisden]

Also wrt your mason claim, don't try to pull an FL here

My tolerance for fakeclaiming antics is very low and Papa Leaf is already in this game

[Wondertank]

i refuse to believe FL genuinely thinks Cena is scum.
into the scumbin you go

[chennisden]

I also find Flavor Leaf incredibly difficult to read here because anyone else with this play

should

be scum but with FL you literally cannot tell

[Wondertank]

Kuroi plz mod more DBAZ Abriged games thank you
-from alisae