Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Hectic]

OK I've been thinking over some things. First, I change my mind, disable strongman is the way to go. Second, I don't trust Spring's agenda so I'm leaving the quest.

What don't you trust? springlullaby isn't getting the Leader position.

[Hectic]

Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)
Not Known 15
Ame
springlullaby
Raya36
Lady Chloe
Pine
momo
mastina
Pink Ball
Ginngie
Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)

[Hectic]

Bret, why do you think mafia should have strongman available to them in a philosophical game sense?

The game should be balanced regardless of what we choose

, and there's plenty of other setups which have no strongmen.

You keep saying this and it's killing me from the inside. It's similar to you saying it doesn't matter who we lynch on D1 in any given game because the game should be balanced regardless.

To address your concerns, I say strongman is a way to seepage mafia xp, just like neighborizer was a away to seepage town xp (I realize Bret voted there and I was too late to arrive to the game or our hydra thread, so I apologize for that), but I'm glad it didn't go through. Too bad you lot opted to stop the mafia xp seepage too, but that's alright.

As for the quest I believe everyone should join in. I will talk to Bret about it, but I can convince those who hadn't in'd already by stating 8 have already applied so the event is on whether you like it or not. We have yet to send the pm but I'm sure I can convince Bret too.

Finally, I should be posting an Aussie joke, or more to it a joke about them Aussies, but I'm late to the party so I will skip it for this time. (I also don't want to be mod-killed by a certain quack)

-Jemaine

When I say that, I was referring to Bret arguing that mafia should have the option to use the strongman in a philosophical game sense. I agree with you XP seepage point, but I don't think scum uses the strongman unless there's an outed PR which might be protected, or a really high priority player who's consensus town and strong, since there's a much better chance they'll be protected.

[Hectic]

Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)
Ginngie
Pink Ball
mastina
momo
Pine
Lady Chloe
Raya36
springlullaby
Ame
Not Known 15
Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)

[springlullaby]

^Lol, look at scum replicating what I do yet still

not outright

calling me scum.

[Hectic]

Replicating what, dear springlullaby?

[springlullaby]

^ Isn't that a quest list?

[Hectic]

That's the whole playerlist, so no. Readslist.

[Hectic]

^Lol, look at scum replicating what I do yet still

not outright

calling me scum.

If I was replicating what you were doing, then why would you expect me to call you scum while doing it? Wouldn't the reverse make sense?

[Farkset]

I think that's a readlist, actually. Based on Hectic's current vote, 376 is town to scum and 378 is scum to town (why did you post twice in reverse order?)

It looks very, very close to my own right now, but why is NK15 so high, if my interpretation of your post is correct? It's more null to me. Also i think you're discounting springlullaby a bit too much, his behavior and his improvements also turned her into a nulltown-ish slot to me, but 4th place is… high. Is she that easy a read to you?

Gingie is another concern that i have atm, but that's because i agree with you on the position he's occupying. My other tinfoil read is Chloe possibly scum for her interactions with mastina and springlullaby.

Wondering how many scum there are in the {chloe, concorde, spring, gingie} group.

-Farkran

[Lady Chloe]

Hectic,

Why do you propose springlullaby to be closer to town but not articulate why she is misled on you?

[Hectic]

I posted the list as both orientations for people's convenience of course!

I like Not Known's strong stance on quests being antitown, and his logic in 218. Also, his take on springlullaby in 296 seemed genuine/nuanced for lack of any non-buzzwords.

[Hectic]

Hectic,

Why do you propose springlullaby to be closer to town but not articulate why she is misled on you?

I've tried in my previous interactions with her. Farkran is probably right and I shouldn't be putting her so high simply for how she's acting.

[Hectic]

Gingie is another concern that i have atm, but that's because i agree with you on the position he's occupying. My other tinfoil read is Chloe possibly scum for her interactions with mastina and springlullaby.

Ginngie has done nothing but sheep their crew so far lol.

What'd you dislike about Lady Chloe's interactions? I thought her case/thoughts on springlullaby were good.

[Hectic]

For the record, I don't like how Hectic keeps chaining himself to a set of players in one sentence.

What do you mean by this?

[Ginngie]

Ginngie has done nothing but sheep their crew so far lol.

I'm sheeping a big enough group so they can't all be scum and my slot can do pro-town things while I'm currently busy in life not able to focus.

[springlullaby]

^Lol, look at scum replicating what I do yet still

not outright

calling me scum.

If I was replicating what you were doing, then why would you expect me to call you scum while doing it? Wouldn't the reverse make sense?

Replication implies mistrust.
Isn't that self evident?


Why do you think FOC is scummy?
Why do you think Ame is town?

[Ginngie]

Replication implies mistrust.

mimicry is a form of flattery?

[springlullaby]

For the record, I don't like how Hectic keeps chaining himself to a set of players in one sentence.

What do you mean by this?

You mention other player's name (probable town players) beside yours to create an averaging effect.
Same you did with "people who defended me".

Subtle form of buddying, a more manipulative form also.

[springlullaby]

Replication implies mistrust.

mimicry is a form of flattery?

I'm flattered but Hec is still scum.

[Hectic]

^Lol, look at scum replicating what I do yet still

not outright

calling me scum.

If I was replicating what you were doing, then why would you expect me to call you scum while doing it? Wouldn't the reverse make sense?

Replication implies mistrust.
Isn't that self evident?


Why do you think FOC is scummy?
Why do you think Ame is town?

I've explained the FOC read.

Ame because she's put the effort in to read the previous game, and finding that Mastina post means she went actively looking through her ISO to find inconsistencies in Mastina's understanding of Training between that game and this game.

[springlullaby]

Replication implies mistrust.

mimicry is a form of flattery?

I'm flattered but Hec is still scum.

Don't you agree?

[Hectic]

[Ginngie]

For the record, I don't like how Hectic keeps chaining himself to a set of players in one sentence.

What do you mean by this?

You mention other player's name (probable town players) beside yours to create an averaging effect.
Same you did with "people who defended me".

Subtle form of buddying, a more manipulative form also.

Do you wanna play scum together one day?

You play mentioning stuff I dont feel like bringing up stuff cuz I dont know others will jive with it well.

[springlullaby]

For this turn around. I know I did the same thing from Train Cop to Neighbouriser, but Bret's first post didn't give me the impression that he cared so much for fun.

Also, the philosophically believing mafia should have a strongman available is really strange. It's part of the game and will be balanced, why feel bad for scum not being able to strongman kill? An explanation from Bret himself would be great.

This is your vote on FOC, circa beginning of the game.
Do you think scum would actually openly vouch for a themselves keeping a good ability?