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Post Post #1790 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:34 pm

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I kind of don't know what's happening
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:46 pm

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ok ive skimmed
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Post Post #1806 (isolation #2) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:47 pm

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In post 1571, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:
In post 1545, Menalque wrote:I’m sheeping alyssa here on pine
wat
this is somewhat concerning
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #3) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:48 pm

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Oh it's Bungle-o
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:52 pm

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nope just kidding, i should maybe read for context first
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:55 pm

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bingle feels like an ok lynch

chemist is chemist and he's probably town from the 30 seconds i've skimmed

someone explain to me why people want to kill alyssa/menalque
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:55 pm

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In post 1792, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1790, chennisden wrote:I kind of don't know what's happening
HOW DO WE READ
SOLVE
THIS GAME?
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:01 pm

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i am good poster
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:01 pm

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oh i've read chemist's iso for another solid few minutes and he's town
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:03 pm

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In post 1818, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw you read the game by having nothing to do otherwise
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Post Post #1823 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:04 pm

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In post 1146, MariaR wrote:
In post 1145, Menalque wrote:Don’t really think you’re scum Maria but if it’s being forced between the two of us
Same here man
This post makes me feel the opposite chemist
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Post Post #1824 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:08 pm

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In post 1820, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1813, gobbledygook wrote:She also voted PB who she was not scumreading over Chemist who she was scumreading.
Oh yeah I forgot about that

VOTE: Alyssa

no cap that was such horseshit
I havent factchecked this at all but like its literally just possible that scum needed a mislynch to go through at the end
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Post Post #1825 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:10 pm

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In post 1819, chennisden wrote:oh i've read chemist's iso for another solid few minutes and he's town
but also this, so
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Post Post #1828 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:29 pm

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In post 1826, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1823, chennisden wrote:
In post 1146, MariaR wrote:
In post 1145, Menalque wrote:Don’t really think you’re scum Maria but if it’s being forced between the two of us
Same here man
This post makes me feel the opposite chemist
opposite of my thought on it or opposite overall
opposite of your thought on it
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:12 pm

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VOTE: mena
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:32 pm

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In post 1859, Menalque wrote:
In post 1824, chennisden wrote:
In post 1820, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1813, gobbledygook wrote:She also voted PB who she was not scumreading over Chemist who she was scumreading.
Oh yeah I forgot about that

VOTE: Alyssa

no cap that was such horseshit
I havent factchecked this at all but like its literally just possible that scum needed a mislynch to go through at the end
What does this mean Chen?
It's possible Alyssa/Chemist went onto PB so Chemist wouldn't be lynched
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:34 pm

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In post 1860, Menalque wrote:
In post 1837, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1832, Ginngie wrote:I’m liking the presence of Chenn in the game
As in he's town or you like him being in the game?
Too early to call officials but it’s a good start for both
What do you think is townie about Chen’s entrance?
Try again
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Post Post #1867 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:36 pm

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In post 1865, Menalque wrote:What do you mean try again and why are you inserting yourself into an interaction that it is actively unhelpful for you to be a part of
Try again
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:38 pm

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Menalque the easiest way for town to lose this game is to go into the thread shouting MY READS MY READS and get all pissy at whoever is scumreading you, and, either explicitly or implicitly, say that the people scumreading you have to be SCUM since you're so pro town

Like I've played enough with you to know you know better than this as town and I'm literally seeing none of it here

So

Try again
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Post Post #1873 (isolation #19) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:39 pm

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In post 1870, Menalque wrote:So how does a switch make sense fypov
I think it's pretty clear I kind of shelf this idea to the side when I say "I think Chem is town though, so"
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Post Post #1875 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:40 pm

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In post 1872, chennisden wrote:Menalque the easiest way for town to lose this game is to go into the thread shouting MY READS MY READS and get all pissy at whoever is scumreading you, and, either explicitly or implicitly, say that the people scumreading you have to be SCUM since you're so pro town

Like I've played enough with you to know you know better than this as town and I'm literally seeing none of it here

So

Try again
This is with respect to the below
In post 1854, Menalque wrote:
In post 1794, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:
In post 1790, chennisden wrote:I kind of don't know what's happening
we're lynching me and then lynching my scumreads because I solved the game
Err nah we’re lynching you then lynching my scumreads because I have solved the game
In post 1861, Menalque wrote:Lynch Alyssa

She flips scum

(Gobbles, Titus, gamma, chem, ginngie, chenn, bingle)

Presumably scum finally stop thinking that I am mislynchable and i die rip me

Probably final scum would be in (chem, ginngie, Chen, bingle)

And we’d have 2 mislynches left

But equally if we mislynch twice after flipping Alyssa then titus probably needs to go back into the pool
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:41 pm

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Sorry that was probably too aggressive.
In post 1874, Menalque wrote:Have you actually read my iso?
I can either lie and say yes, I have read it in depth or I can be honest and say I've skimmed it once

I might have said this somewhere before, but when I replace in I need to use live interactions to make reads. And it's not like I'm "ignoring the progression of the gamestate" because people will be talking about it in live interactions
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Post Post #1879 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:42 pm

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In post 1876, Menalque wrote:
In post 1873, chennisden wrote:
In post 1870, Menalque wrote:So how does a switch make sense fypov
I think it's pretty clear I kind of shelf this idea to the side when I say "I think Chem is town though, so"
You’d already said you thought chem was town at the time you made that post tho
It was more of a "chem is town," "wait but what if," "nah chem is town"
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:45 pm

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In post 1868, Menalque wrote:Like what have you done that you would do as town but not as scum so far, Chen?
I've been in this game for a couple of hours or so

I'm not gonna say "I couldn't have faked this as scum" since that's not exactly true.

But something to note: If I'm scum, you're town, and Alyssa is town there is no reason I don't go after Alyssa
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Post Post #1884 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:46 pm

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In post 1882, Menalque wrote:Let’s do this another way: go read alacrity/Alyssa in iso and tell me if you think she’s town
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Post Post #1886 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 1738, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Pine
Chemist1422
gobbledygook

Menalque
Titus

Bingle
Alyssa the Lamb
Ginngie
Gamma Emerald


yup
this actually seems to come from town alyssa a lot; like coloring 2/3 of the game green
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Post Post #1887 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:49 pm

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In post 1885, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1858, Menalque wrote:
In post 1819, chennisden wrote:oh i've read chemist's iso for another solid few minutes and he's town
Okay why?
Please answer this.
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Post Post #1899 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:55 pm

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it's ALWAYS gut

but also, i dont think i've been wrong on a chemist read before
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Post Post #1900 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:56 pm

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In post 1890, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1887, chennisden wrote:
In post 1885, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1858, Menalque wrote:
In post 1819, chennisden wrote:oh i've read chemist's iso for another solid few minutes and he's town
Okay why?
Please answer this.
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VOTE: Chennisden
try again
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Post Post #1901 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:57 pm

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In post 1888, Menalque wrote:
In post 1886, chennisden wrote:
In post 1738, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Pine
Chemist1422
gobbledygook

Menalque
Titus

Bingle
Alyssa the Lamb
Ginngie
Gamma Emerald


yup
this actually seems to come from town alyssa a lot; like coloring 2/3 of the game green
This is literally like the least AI thing she could do
but what about the fact this list sucks big time
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Post Post #1902 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:57 pm

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eh

VOTE: alyssa
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Post Post #1903 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm

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In post 1891, Menalque wrote:If you’re scum why does that preclude Alyssa being scum?

And if you’re choosing between two town why would scum you not just choose me?
Because if Alyssa is town and I'm scum I literally ignore both your and her slot and just watch her die :]

And also because I think if Alyssa flips scum you'll be a lot better lynch
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:58 pm

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flips town*
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Post Post #1906 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:02 pm

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In post 1905, Titus wrote:So you think Gamma town is a bad take?

Gamma, Gobble, Alyssa, and Chennis are all probably town.

I want to lynch in Melanque, Chemist (solely bc yesterday), and Gingie.
gamma town isn't a bad take
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:03 pm

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In post 1907, Gamma Emerald wrote:That was towards Menalque but okay
oops
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Post Post #1914 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:14 pm

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In post 1913, Menalque wrote:
In post 1902, chennisden wrote:eh

VOTE: alyssa
Why the switch?
my feelings for your slot have been going up with your latest posts

and my feelings for alyssa's slot have been going down with time & reading the game
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:19 pm

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In post 1912, Menalque wrote:
In post 1903, chennisden wrote:
In post 1891, Menalque wrote:If you’re scum why does that preclude Alyssa being scum?

And if you’re choosing between two town why would scum you not just choose me?
Because if Alyssa is town and I'm scum I literally ignore both your and her slot and just watch her die :]

And also because I think if Alyssa flips scum you'll be a lot better lynch
I mean that’s kind of high risk for you if we’re both town and start to see it as a part of fighting, because if we were both town and realised I’m pretty sure that scum trying to stay out of things would be top of the list to look for

So I don’t think that argument is as clearing as you think it is
I think the fact that I didn't test the waters more is radically different to my scum playstyle but this is a fair point
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Post Post #1928 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:24 pm

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In post 1918, Menalque wrote:
In post 1914, chennisden wrote:
In post 1913, Menalque wrote:
In post 1902, chennisden wrote:eh

VOTE: alyssa
Why the switch?
my feelings for your slot have been going up with your latest posts

and my feelings for alyssa's slot have been going down with time & reading the game
What about my latest posts is townie?

I think my latest posts are fairly NAI tbh
I'm thinking the probability of you being scum trying to apply continuous pressure to me when it's much more effective to just stop, especially when there's been a lot of opportunities to back out, is maybe less than the probability of Alyssa being scum

For clarity: I'm well aware what I described is probably comfortably in your scumrange and it's not like I'm pulling a complete 180 on my read

Also for clarity: I've been in this game for the span of a couple of hours and in all honesty, I haven't really read much during night phase because I had to grade some stuff/sleep/whatever so like I'm literally feeling my way around and my reads probably are going to look like this:
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Post Post #1930 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:25 pm

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In post 1822, Menalque wrote:
In post 1664, Datisi wrote:hello i hate both of these wagons someone end me please
Point of order: dats didn’t die wanting my head, which is actually a worse look for me
And also something about this felt good
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Post Post #2019 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:58 am

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In post 1938, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1897, Gamma Emerald wrote:Haven't really looked to hard at Chenn's catchup rn
Yeah so as I can tell this is non-existent? He's just been playing in the now as I see it.
This is very correct
In post 1945, Bingle wrote:gobbledygook
Chemist1422
Titus
Gamma Emerald
Ginngie/Alyssa the Lamb
Pine/Menalque

Roughly where I'm at. Roughly where I was at yesterday. Datisi kill is mildly indicative of Mena.

VOTE: Mena
AI noises ensue
Chennisden, come make AI noises.
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:59 am

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In post 1956, Gamma Emerald wrote:That doesn't matter imo

what does matter is you switching between suicidal and survivalistic at the drop of a hat. That's scum play, straight up.
In post 1957, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Thank you for walking me through your confbias

That really helped everybody out
This is not a response
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #41) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:02 am

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Someone said something about claims somewhere and I really don't think it's a good idea
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Post Post #2023 (isolation #42) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:04 am

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In post 2012, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Literally just lynch bingle and block me

Scum can't risk killing

Lynch chenn, block me again

Free
mislynch
since scum can't conftown me
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Post Post #2025 (isolation #43) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:15 am

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Oh yeah I see
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Post Post #2026 (isolation #44) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:16 am

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But it's a moot point right since from what I gather there's only one roleblock
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #45) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:16 am

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I'm still mildly lost with the mechanics
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #46) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:19 am

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alyssa talk about your read on menalque with me
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #47) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:20 am

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That's nearly a 180 and I kind of don't see what happened there
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:37 pm

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that was a pretty not quality post bingle
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #49) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:37 pm

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sorry if that was subjective
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:31 pm

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In post 2050, Bingle wrote:Disagree. If people are scumreading me for no reason when there is obviously a reason to scumread me, that is +scum equity. Therefore, I'd like to hear why people are voting me.
Yes but that was a really ew way to say that
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #51) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:33 am

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In post 2058, Alisae wrote:Nah, its a translation that went through several layers of google translate then translated back to english.
what that chapter is the prologue, consider it a taste if you will
called it
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #52) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:37 am

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In post 2074, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 2068, Ginngie wrote:@Chemist, I was reading back earlier and you said something about it not making sense for you to bid something as scum for like 501. I'm not clear on how that works at all.
If scum sniped the AD (which is likely) the person bidding on it at midday (me) is likely not scum since why would they snipe it from themselves
i dunno, maybe to fuck with the rest of town

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Post Post #2078 (isolation #53) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:47 am

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In post 2051, Bingle wrote:
In post 2045, Alisae wrote:2-shot Doctor - ?
This is worth bidding on, btw. Worst case you don't get your money back, best case scum is hoping no one goes for it and obscured a low bid.
My thoughts are scum obscured it to make town overpay
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #54) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:08 pm

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well this happened
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #55) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:13 pm

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In post 2129, Ginngie wrote:For those at home who cant do quick math and want to know why you should be freaking out:

It's an open 10v3.
1 scum ded, the rest town ded.

2v5 with seven left. We lynch someone, now it goes into night as,
2v4 which if scum gets the kill through the night,
2v3 with five left. Oh and there's a a day vig.

So if town they can either literally coin toss 2v2 who's left or if scum gets it they win the game.

I cant wait for the moon logic of wtf is happening here.
this assumes we mislynch
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #56) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:25 pm

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this flip has made be question a lot of my assumptions about the game.

i think this is probably true but i'll wait until i hear from the horse's mouth:

Titus, did you intentionally get the Daykill on the market?
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #57) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:36 pm

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the daykill disappearing is much better than it going to scum's hands.
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #58) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:17 pm

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no, it goes to you.
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #59) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:43 pm

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i'm not sure why people just
decided
chemist was the lynch today and i'm not sure why with like at most 2 people hinting at it today, chemist
decided
it was happening.
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #60) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:44 pm

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In post 2146, Chemist1422 wrote:hey remember that time alyssa let herself get lynched so people would pay attention to her reads then everyone ignored her reads
In post 2147, Chemist1422 wrote:does anyone even have a reason for me being scum that isn't just that I haven't died yet when I should have
this feels survivalistic in a bad way.

like i would've expected town to act differently, rather than seem resigned then go to "hey look at this shouldn't i live" at the drop of a hat
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #61) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:21 pm

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In post 2150, Chemist1422 wrote:I mean

If I get lynched today tomorrow is LyLo and no offense but I do not trust y'all to not mess it up there
i think this is blatantly
not
what chemist is saying.
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #62) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:29 pm

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In post 2156, Titus wrote:Chennis, answer me on why you and Gingie aren't scum together.
because i'm not scum?
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #63) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:30 pm

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i really don't understand how posting a loaded question like that helps you parse my alignment?
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Post Post #2160 (isolation #64) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:42 pm

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i've literally a) voted mena at a place that would be objectively terrible for me as scum b) giving reads on half of the game c) i think i'm literally the only person in this thread who actually has been
thinking
about the chemist slot, but okay.
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #65) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:45 pm

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i also think it's kind of hilarious that you're actually going to say "here's a random slot, now go tell me why this person is not scum with you" to try and parse my alignment
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Post Post #2162 (isolation #66) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:45 pm

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and how is asking me to make a "not scum" case for ginngie helpful? it really feels like a backhanded way of forcing a read on me
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Post Post #2163 (isolation #67) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:47 pm

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i also don't feel you've been scumhunting yesterday and your efforts on the bingle wagon reaaaaally felt like you going "ok so alyssa is actually going to be lynched, so let me maybe get people interested in bingle at the least risky time."
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Post Post #2164 (isolation #68) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:49 pm

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In post 2150, Chemist1422 wrote:I do not trust y'all to not mess it up
is also a really good reason to be wary of the dayvig ya?
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #69) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:23 am

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I don't think we can no lynch.
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Post Post #2192 (isolation #70) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:27 am

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I
strongly believe
that we should lynch whoever gets the dayvig especially because if we just
let it
go to scum we're fucked

Allowing the dayvig to exist has much more harm than benefit and it's frankly surprising nobody else has seen this yet.
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #71) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:28 am

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Like, the dayvig existing is blatantly pro-scum. There is really no way scum isn't basically playing around the dayvig for a win
especially
if they've basically been controlling the gamestate for the entire game
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Post Post #2204 (isolation #72) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:27 am

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In post 2196, Titus wrote:
In post 2192, chennisden wrote:I
strongly believe
that we should lynch whoever gets the dayvig especially because if we just
let it
go to scum we're fucked

Allowing the dayvig to exist has much more harm than benefit and it's frankly surprising nobody else has seen this yet.
That's the position I expect scum to take.

If scum sniped the auction detective for greater than 300 and scum sniped the cop (known), then the dayvig winner is conftown.
Why do you expect scum to snipe the auction detective for >300 when there's nothing before the auction detective that scum would get caught on anyways?
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Post Post #2205 (isolation #73) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:28 am

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In post 2202, Bingle wrote:If you can't bid higher than 300, claim that shit ASAP.

Obscuring powers and money benefits scum here, not town.
cannot bid >300.
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Post Post #2206 (isolation #74) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:30 am

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In post 11, Alisae wrote:
Image
Hello! Today I, The Great Kinu, will be your auctioneer!
We have something big to auction off today, but we will get to that much later!
For now, here are the things that we will be auctioning off right now!
Today's Auction!
Neighborizer
2
Yes
Choose another player. You will receive a PT upon daystart where you may talk any time while alive.
Tracker
1
Yes
Choose another player. You will be informed which players (if any) that player visited during the Night.
Watcher
2
Yes
Choose another player. You will be informed which players (if any) visited that player during the Night.
Roleblocker
1
Yes
Choose another player. All of their Targeted abilities that they activated for that night will fail.


We have such things as Walki Talkis that were used during the very first World War! Truely, a very vintage item on the block as well as
The legendary detective Grif the Growlithe's most recent pair of Binoculars! This legendary detective is quite possibly the greatest detective on earth, and he recently got a new pair of Binoculars in a sponsorship deal, as a result, he has agreed to auction off his!
Also we have these cheap plastic piece of shit ones here as well
As well as a TM for Psychic!
In post 526, Alisae wrote:
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Welcome to the Mid Day Update!

Hello again! I am Kinu and I will be your auctioneer today!
I wasn't exactly planing on doing this this early, but since I DID state in the rules it would be 24 hours after daystart and didn't really account for extentions or clearify, we can do this now!
Anyhow, without delaying this any longer, here is the Mid Day Update!

2-shot Neigborizer -
50$

1-shot Tracker -
0$

2-shot Watcher -
500$

1-shot Roleblocker -
0$


If the price for a bid has been hidden, it will show up with a
?

Remember to place your bids!
This was the auction day before the auction detective

You're shitting me if you think scum cares enough about AD that day to snipe it
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #75) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:50 am

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yes this
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #76) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:52 am

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i feel like the massclaim will fail for two reasons:
1) town will just ignore it for shits and giggles.
2) i really feel like it's possible scum is just letting town implode right now?
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #77) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:07 am

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your attempts at self clearing weren't great either, which is probably why people are scumreading you
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #78) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:07 am

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by gamestate reasons we have to have a deepwolf right?

i really doubt it's just two "shallow" slots that are the scumteam
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Post Post #2220 (isolation #79) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:08 am

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slots that really haven't received any substantial scrutiny

like gobble ginngie titus
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Post Post #2222 (isolation #80) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:14 am

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it's not like they're
good reasons


they're just
reasons
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Post Post #2223 (isolation #81) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:14 am

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chemist where's your head at today
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Post Post #2225 (isolation #82) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:30 am

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i think this has told me what i need to know.
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Post Post #2227 (isolation #83) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:40 am

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In post 2224, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 2223, chennisden wrote:chemist where's your head at today
not here that's for sure

Gobble/Titus town
holding off on reading mena until all the bid info gets outed
last three go Bingle > you > ginngie
this feels like a pretty survivalistic order
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Post Post #2229 (isolation #84) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:52 am

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i mean if you want to lose the game by refusing to reconsider you do you.
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #85) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:00 am

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because i'm not scum?
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Post Post #2233 (isolation #86) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:03 am

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In post 2150, Chemist1422 wrote:I mean

If I get lynched today tomorrow is LyLo and no offense but I do not trust y'all to not mess it up there
this is pretty fitting for my take on that
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Post Post #2234 (isolation #87) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:03 am

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i mean, fine. if we lynch chemist today dayvig is not a problem and hopefully we're right there.

but i really think a) there's a deepwolf and b) you guys are not going to lynch them
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Post Post #2236 (isolation #88) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:05 am

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hot take: if there's a deepwolf it's titus
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Post Post #2237 (isolation #89) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:05 am

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In post 2235, gobbledygook wrote:Who do you think the Deepwolf is?
I could make the argument that everyone alive could be a deep wolf.
no, because half of the slots (myself, menalque, chemist, bingle) are objectively "shallow"
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #90) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:14 am

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48 hrs sucks yeah
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Post Post #2241 (isolation #91) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:14 am

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In post 2239, Bingle wrote:
In post 2236, chennisden wrote:hot take: if there's a deepwolf it's titus
Pretty lukewarm take, imo. Titus scum is very possible.
woah

my faith in our chances has returned
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #92) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 am

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a big wallpost about this will be coming soon. but i'll lay out an outline of my thoughts

titus has been

1) deflecting concerns about today's auction house (& being deflective in general)
2) nonexistent/weird trajectories on slots that make no sense as town (but strategically do for scum)
3) gamestate. do you really think we'd be
here
if scum wasn't controlling the gamestate in some way
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Post Post #2247 (isolation #93) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:30 am

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1) Titus has been hiding from and deflecting all concerns about today's auction house.
2) Similarly, she has been playing a very deflective game the entire game.
3) Complete reversal on my slot that really has
no
explanation if she's town and perfect explanation if she's scum. There's no way town does this.
4) The gamestate
feels
under control by scum. I really doubt "surface level" slots that were very much "on the table" yesterday contains
both
scum.

1) Deflection on auction house
In post 2196, Titus wrote:
In post 2192, chennisden wrote:I
strongly believe
that we should lynch whoever gets the dayvig especially because if we just
let it
go to scum we're fucked

Allowing the dayvig to exist has much more harm than benefit and it's frankly surprising nobody else has seen this yet.
That's the position I expect scum to take.

If
scum sniped the auction detective for greater than 300 and scum sniped the cop (known), then the dayvig winner is conftown.
I was going to leave a snarky comment that said "see bold, no further comment required" but there's actually a lot wrong with this post

Titus is acting like the
reason
she put dayvig up is to conftown somebody (whoever gets it). But here's the thing:
said (potential) conftown would be based on the 500 bid, not the fact the item is dayvig.
Why would you let scum know
exactly
what bid to obscure?

Also, you absolutely
do not
address a concern in good faith by saying "but I don't like your opinion so you're scum."

2) Deflection & pandering in general


In response to Datisi's concern Menalque is scum, Titus says
In post 142, Titus wrote:
In post 135, Datisi wrote:Y'all are electing scum but ok
Then Menalque will have to put in good suggestions or be highly suspect. It's not worth worrying about the alignment of the day 1 of the shopkeeper, just their competence. I know he can setup spec and know who would be good with each role.
In post 149, Titus wrote:
In post 145, Datisi wrote:
In post 140, Chemist1422 wrote:bad reads
Pedit: ehhhh
I am kinda more worried about the psychological effect putting him in the ~high position~ will have if he's scum than the actual mechanical outcomes of it frankly

Ppedit: cool, and same
Noted. I don't care much for MS authority, particularly males who act holier than though. Menalque gets no special favors.

Now, why did you tunnel on him so early? Why not sit back, scum hunt, and let him show you who his partners are?
None of this addresses the concern "Hey, what if we accidentally give someone we know to be a competent scumplayer and
could be scum
control of the gamestate?" Especially the first point: if he was scum his job would literally be to screw over town without being suspect. This is much easier than it sounds (literally you can just say "oops bad RNG" and you can't really question that.)

"Instead of pressuring scum why not 'scumhunt' instead" is also kind of funny.

This has nothing to do with the game but I'd appreciate if sentiments like these
particularly males who act holier than though
would stop popping up.
In post 167, Titus wrote:
In post 155, Datisi wrote:
In post 149, Titus wrote:Noted. I don't care much for MS authority, particularly males who act holier than though. Menalque gets no special favors.

Now, why did you tunnel on him so early? Why not sit back, scum hunt, and let him show you who his partners are?
I genuinely have no clue what that means but alrighty

The longer i wait, potentially more ~thread control~ he gets. And I am not very good at convincing people. I'd rather start early.

Plus, I was curious on his reactions to all this.
Thread control isn't a thing though. I thought it was when I was newer too. People synergize with their townreads, thus creating thread control. Getting the best out of people and being humble that you can be wrong is thread control. With that, you can protect your town core for awhile.

Titus v Alisae is an excellent primer. I was a town treestump. I expected my reads to be wrong because I expected people to fuck with me. So I deliberately picked masons with the opposite skillset and built town outward from them.
Yes, but... this completely ignores the fact scum can use this process to their advantage. Bonus points for scum if they look like town "protecting" their "towncore."

3) Weird trajectories


Mostly with respect to my slot. She starts out by townreading me
In post 1905, Titus wrote:So you think Gamma town is a bad take?

Gamma, Gobble, Alyssa, and Chennis are all probably town.

I want to lynch in Melanque, Chemist (solely bc yesterday), and Gingie.
and immediately starts scumreading me when my positions do not align with her agenda.
In post 2151, Titus wrote:
In post 2138, chennisden wrote:the daykill disappearing is much better than it going to scum's hands.
(Keep in mind she has made no mention of my slot or attempt to sort it between these two posts.)

Scum are out of money and lacking a hitman so...we're in a good position.
Now you might think that it's because of the flips. Of course flips would change her mind right? But nope,
In post 1994, Titus wrote:
In post 1990, Menalque wrote:I would actively like people to post more and make clearer what their stances are and think I’ve been both clear and consistent on that point

I just don’t want them to vote anyone other than you and I don’t want anyone who is voting you to move their vote
Dude, I have no interest in Alyssa today and I have no interest in talking to someone who isn't listening.
In post 1475, Titus wrote:VOTE: Pine

Gamma likely isn't scum bc 1.12.
In post 1842, Titus wrote:
In post 1841, Gamma Emerald wrote:Then why are you FoSing me for not doing a thing I CLEARLY did?
I'm not. You claimed today. I just never saw day 2. That's all I am saying.

I have you as town based on vc 1.12.
In fact, it feels like she
knew
their alignments beforehand. No questioning, no attempt to shake up her perception of the game, no nothing. Just what's convenient for her agenda.

Also, Titus was lukewarmly defending the clear lynchee of the day without actually doing anything to get the lynch off of her. In fact this whole "Bingle counterwagon" thing felt like setting up the wagon for
tomorrow, not today
. These kind of trajectories are too convenient for scum and too implausible to be town.

4) Gamestate


I really doubt it's possible the game got to this point without scum taking control of the gamestate when town started to recover. Gamestate for her was good yesterday so she did nothing. She picked the options she did to control today's gamestate. (Notice how stifled we are when it comes to the one thing we really
need to be
doing: actually reading people.)

Miscellaneous comments:
In post 697, Titus wrote:
In post 693, PenguinPower wrote:I will not support a Market Leader who will deny me my dayvig.
I wouldn't deny you a day vig. You'd be one of my favorites if it appeared to get it. I just a) don't want a role that people would be bidding against each other on as town gets more PRs that way and b) I'd want a clear setup to get the maximum use out of the dayvig.

Still, I left clear instructions on what to do with the dayvig. (I'm kinda shocked I'm this far TRed but preparing for my death anyway.)
Saying "oh I'm gonna probably die and I'm universally townread but we're not going to question why I'm alive
three days later
" is often a scum move. I would know.

Also, this serious response to a joke post is kind of entirely out of left field and I really don't think town would respond to Penguin's post like this if she mistook it as serious?
In post 169, Titus wrote:
In post 161, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 129, Titus wrote:am good with setup spec but I don't have strong enough reads to be a marketplace leader yet.
Why do you/does anyone need strong reads to be an auction owner
Being the most effective shopkeeper owner involves identifying town and placing the best items for them in the market. People play differently.
did not love this post. mafia is too far volatile a game for you to be planning who gets what PR.
In post 483, Titus wrote:
In post 481, Bingle wrote:
Elect:Titus
Thanks but I don't want it today unless forced to step up. Too many unknown personalities.
There are a lot of possible reasons people don't want to
mechanically
step into the "town leader role." But a big one is
scum being afraid to stand out too much
: here you have a seemingly widely townread person who is making tremendous progress to solving the game and they're not dead... because?

Her play feels very much like she's thinking about this idea. In fact I don't even think it's entirely an accident that
She is the weakest of my townreads
and
Titus scum is very possible.
are common(ish) sentiments.
Especially
when all of her deflective play is literally designed to attract minimal scrutiny to her slot.
In post 1842, Titus wrote:
In post 1841, Gamma Emerald wrote:Then why are you FoSing me for not doing a thing I CLEARLY did?
I'm not. You claimed today. I just never saw day 2. That's all I am saying.

I have you as town based on vc 1.12.
This shallow attempt at pretending to do VCA is not what Titus would do as town. In a math test the (rough) standard for getting points on a question is if what you wrote could feasibly be written by another student who didn't do the problem. In Mafia the (rough) standard for getting (town)points for a scumhunting attempt is if what you wrote could feasibly be written by scum who didn't actually scumhunt in good faith. (Hint: scum can't scumhunt in good faith)

Completely unrelated, though - for whichever lovely soul is reading this, I have you as town based on vc 4.1.

Conclusion


Titus is a wolf slot who got to the status of "town bucket" by pandering to slots and has held onto this position by deflecting and shutting down any meaningful scrutiny about her slot. The clusterfuck that was yesterday was good for scum because it ensured that scum had meaningful control of the mobility of slots within the "buckets" (town & not-town) while ensuring no external movement from bucket to bucket occurred. This keeps the deepwolf safe and allows the shallowwolf to survive and cause chaos. To keep this delicate balance, we see her refuse to poke let alone shake the gamestate for pretty much the entirety of Day 3. We see her today fail to engage in good faith because
scum can't engage in good faith
.

Oh and let's not forget her blatantly misrepping here
In post 2153, Titus wrote:
In post 2149, chennisden wrote:
In post 2146, Chemist1422 wrote:hey remember that time alyssa let herself get lynched so people would pay attention to her reads then everyone ignored her reads
In post 2147, Chemist1422 wrote:does anyone even have a reason for me being scum that isn't just that I haven't died yet when I should have
this feels survivalistic in a bad way.

like i would've expected town to act differently, rather than seem resigned then go to "hey look at this shouldn't i live" at the drop of a hat
Town can realize they should not be in lylo.

Tell me why you aren't scum with Gingie.
and pretending it didn't happen immediately afterwards.
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Post Post #2248 (isolation #94) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:30 am

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Thank god it submitted properly
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Post Post #2285 (isolation #95) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:27 pm

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LMAO
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Post Post #2286 (isolation #96) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:28 pm

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i mean, man, that's tough

but also hilarious
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Post Post #2287 (isolation #97) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:28 pm

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VOTE: ginngie
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Post Post #2289 (isolation #98) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:31 pm

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no gobble i think we win here
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Post Post #2290 (isolation #99) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:32 pm

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but man that's hilarious
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Post Post #2292 (isolation #100) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:32 pm

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Yes, all we have to do is catch the last one
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Post Post #2293 (isolation #101) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:33 pm

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Just don't mis-shoot or mislynch tomorrow
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Post Post #2294 (isolation #102) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:33 pm

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In post 2293, chennisden wrote:Just don't mis-shoot AND mislynch tomorrow
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Post Post #2296 (isolation #103) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:37 pm

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In post 2142, Ginngie wrote:give Titus a once over (we're confident but redundancy helps just screw paranoia)

I think your energy level would make it more conducive focusing on Mena is optimal for you, with a side order of Chemist. We're both pretty confident in our chemist reads so spend as much time here as you'd like, I'll still read it.

As for me, the amount of energy I'm actually able to invest I feel like I can properly tackle doing both Bingle and chenn and sorting those two.
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Post Post #2297 (isolation #104) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:37 pm

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only in hindsight do i see what is very wrong with this post
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Post Post #2299 (isolation #105) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:51 pm

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me too
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Post Post #2311 (isolation #106) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:32 am

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In post 2303, Bingle wrote:Chenn still needs to claim what he spent his money on, btw.
I got doctor for 173 and split the rest of the 327 for Auction Detective 127 Tracker 200 at daystart
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Post Post #2331 (isolation #107) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:29 pm

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o well gg
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Post Post #2333 (isolation #108) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:30 pm

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dang it has been a while since i've lost as scum

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