Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

Enter · Post Post #16 (isolation #0) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:39 pm

Bulbazeks avatar looks strikingly familiar - maybe one of dannflors old avatars?

Enter · Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:40 pm

No wait, it's just the cover to an Artemis fowl book, right?

Enter · Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:40 pm

Does someone else have that avatar?

Enter · Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:43 pm

VOTE: Alisae

Or pink ball?

The waves are nice on the sea shore.
I cried the one time I did pit, so check me out!

Enter · Post Post #21 (isolation #4) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:43 pm

Enter · Post Post #33 (isolation #5) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:10 pm

In post 31, Bulbazak wrote:I thought we'd have $2? We start the game with $1 and then earn another dollar at the beginning of the day.
...
You guys better buy a lot of death sticks.

Nice!

You'd probably like to go home and re-think your life.

Enter · Post Post #36 (isolation #6) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:15 pm

HI PINK BALL!

Enter · Post Post #38 (isolation #7) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:16 pm

Things are moving along nicely, I think.

Enter · Post Post #40 (isolation #8) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:17 pm

In post 37, Alisae wrote:VOTE: enter
you know what I think PB slipped Enter is scum because in my hood he greated Enter but he didn't post

You need to get better at reading into things.

Enter · Post Post #42 (isolation #9) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:18 pm

Alisae has either intentionally slipped the contents of our PT for some unknown reason or just proven to be a massive ditz w/ no attempt at discretion. I don't blame 'em, it's just kinda funny

Enter · Post Post #43 (isolation #10) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:19 pm

In post 20, Enter wrote:VOTE: Alisae

Or pink ball?

The waves are nice on the sea shore.
I cried the one time I did pit, so check me out!

Alisae read this and then your first post in the PT and then read PINK BALl's Haiku

Enter · Post Post #45 (isolation #11) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:20 pm

In post 42, Enter wrote:Alisae has either intentionally slipped the contents of our PT for some unknown reason or just proven to be a massive ditz w/ no attempt at discretion. I don't blame 'em, it's just kinda funny

Like I would totally jump on it too if I thought I caught someone making the same mistake, I've just had significantly more enjoyment from playing mafia w/ a little discretion

Enter · Post Post #46 (isolation #12) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:20 pm

In post 44, Bulbazak wrote:She may have a point, but I'd rather vote the Ball over you.

Alisae doesn't have a point. Pink Ball didn't slip, Alisae just isn't paying attention

Enter · Post Post #48 (isolation #13) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:22 pm

In post 47, Bulbazak wrote:Probably. But the ball still isn't here.

The ball prolly went to sleep. I think there should be just as much awareness of Alisae doing something like this intentionally so they can deny it's a town slip as there should be of Pink Ball posting in our neighborhood w/o posting in the game thread

Enter · Post Post #49 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:23 pm

In post 48, Enter wrote:
In post 47, Bulbazak wrote:Probably. But the ball still isn't here.
The ball prolly went to sleep. I think there should be just as much awareness of Alisae doing something like this intentionally so they can deny it's a town slip as there should be of Pink Ball posting in our neighborhood w/o posting in the game thread

This is to imply Alisae is crafty enough to jump on things that aren't scum slips so 'ey can get accused of town slipping and then deny it and get even more town cred from that

Enter · Post Post #52 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm

By haiku I mean poem w/ 4 syllables in the first line, 4 in the second, and 4 in the third (the top line is the introduction and I don't count it)

Enter · Post Post #308 (isolation #16) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:20 am

In post 93, Pine wrote:I submitted all fictional drugs. Lotus Flowers (Homer's
Odyssey
), the Red Pill (
The Matrix
), Felix Felicis (the
Harry Potter
series), and Skooma (the
Elder Scrolls
series).

I don't think it prudent to discuss which of these I was assigned or what they do at this time.

I also submitted Lotus Flowers and Skooma! My last two were Death Sticks (Star Wars) and Pipe Weed (Lord of the Rings)

Enter · Post Post #309 (isolation #17) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:21 am

In post 106, mastina wrote:Like, when I said "I am a masonizer who wins when my masonry makes up 50% of the playerlist", that was, very very VERY explicitly, a reference to Ginngie's last game, where I was a cult leader. Who claimed masonizer. And who did win when my 'masonry' got to 50% of the living playerlist.

It is ABUNDANTLY clear that I wasn't fucking lying about my actual claim.
I am a Chronic Masturbator--I win when every living town player has masturbated. This does not end the game. Me winning doesn't cause the town to lose. It does literally nothing to hurt the town.

this feels like the posts of someone suffering from "boy who cried wolf syndrome"

not to be mean, just remakring on things that amuse me

Enter · Post Post #310 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:27 am

In post 136, MariaR wrote:
In post 97, Bulbazak wrote:I'm game.

I masterbate.

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

I googled "glistening drugs" and "peyote"

for the first response, I got Nitroglycerin, which is:

Nitroglycerin is used to treat or prevent attacks of chest pain (angina).

Nitroglycerin may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

Peyote only results in Cactus.

I figure you can bold words here if I'm on the right track, and italicize them if I'm completely fucked.

Enter · Post Post #312 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:36 am

In post 232, Taly wrote:Holy shit, I figured it out.

maria
can quote us if she agrees with a statement... since she may have a posting restriction, it's hilarious AF regardless.

time to make TONS of statements.

Alisae is town. Alisae is scum. Alisae is ?
Taly is town. Taly is scum. Alisae is ?
Enter is town. Enter is scum. Alisae is ?
Gamma Emerald is town. Gamma Emerald is scum. Gamma Emerald is ?
Bulbazak is town. Bulbazak is scum. Bulbazak is ?
Dunnstral is town. Dunnstral is scum. Dunnstral is ?
Pink Ball is town. Pink Ball is scum. Pink Ball is ?
mastina is town. Pink Ball is scum. Pink Ball is ?
Aristophanes is town. Aristophanes is scum. Aristophanes is ?
Lady lambdaDelta is town. Lady lambdaDelta is scum. Lady labdaDelta is ?
PenguinPower is town. PenguinPower is scum. PenguinPower is ?
Pine is town. Pine is scum. Pine is ?

In post 233, Taly wrote:
MariaR
wants to masterbate.
MariaR
doesn't want to masterbate.
MariaR
is indifferent to masterbating.

MariaR
distrust those who masterbate.
MariaR
trusts those who masterbate.

MariaR
doesn't want any of us to masterbate.

MariaR
wants ALL of us to masterbate.

These posts are great and I'm glad we're on the same page.

We must diagnose her condition!

Enter · Post Post #313 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:42 am

I'm increasingly fascinated by solving MariaR's problem and if I could I would put the rest of the game on pause to achieve this objective.

That said, I don't believe in masturbation, but it doesn't matter if I do or do not, because I am scum.

Enter · Post Post #317 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:33 am

In post 314, MariaR wrote:
In post 306, Taly wrote:MariaR's timer has a negative effect on her.

MariaR's timer has a positive effect on her.

Oh.

Fascinating.

Enter · Post Post #318 (isolation #22) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:34 am

There is something to be gained from understanding MariaR's condition.

Trying to understand MariaR's condition is a waste of time, and we must play around it.

Neither of the above statements are true.

Enter · Post Post #319 (isolation #23) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:35 am

I might have submitted something other than Skooma, actually. I forget.

Enter · Post Post #320 (isolation #24) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:36 am

In post 316, MariaR wrote:
Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

This sentence has a deeper meaning that has a positive result once understanding of it is achieved.

Trying to analyze this sentence is a waste of time.

Enter · Post Post #327 (isolation #25) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:54 am

Ok.

I legitimately don't know why mastina's flailing instead of getting aggressive if she's in the wrong. I don't legitimately believe that her win condition is exactly what she says it is, because I don't think there's any excitement in just asking everyone to do the one thing that wins her the game unless she is tricking us into doing something we're unaware of. I think that's the only scenario here where she gets much frustration at all out of not achieving her WINCON on day 1. I think that if it were as easy and simple as she says it is, she would enjoy a little resistance and seek to spend the game trying to lure people into achieving her wincon. I don't think she gets much enjoyment out of everyone immediately agreeing to do what she wants.

For that reason, I have a large amount of difficulty following you, Bulbazek.

Enter · Post Post #328 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:55 am

I said "in the wrong" and I meant "in the right." Sometimes my brain wanders off while I'm writing, sorry.

Enter · Post Post #332 (isolation #27) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:21 am

I don't think you understand. Despite the reasons she is being run up for, her reaction makes her seem very much to be not the person she claims to be.

Enter · Post Post #333 (isolation #28) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:21 am

In post 331, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 275, Ginngie wrote:
chronic masturbaters
-mastina
-Bulbazak
-PenguinPower
For an easily confirmable claim with little downside and a huge upside, there sure has been a lot of resistance.

What is the huge upside?

And how is losing the game a huge downside?

Enter · Post Post #336 (isolation #29) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:23 am

I don't think you understand. There is negligible upside for us if mastina leaves the game through completing her wincon if she's benevolent 3p, but a large downside if she leaves the game as anything else through completion of her wincon. That's not even taking into account the other ways she could be lying here.

Enter · Post Post #337 (isolation #30) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:24 am

In post 335, Bulbazak wrote:The upside is that should she win

If she's 3p, I don't care.

, and there are names not on the list,

Fewer shots for scum, fewer votes in our direction.

you have guaranteed non-town.

She's already been guaranteed non-town by her claim.

Enter · Post Post #338 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:25 am

In post 334, Bulbazak wrote:P-edit: Why do you think you'll lose the game?

I outlined exactly why I think she's lying in the post above.

If she's lying about not ending the game by achieving her wincon, we lose by allowing her to achieve her wincon.

Enter · Post Post #339 (isolation #32) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:25 am

In post 337, Enter wrote:
In post 335, Bulbazak wrote:The upside is that should she win
If she's 3p, I don't care.

, and there are names not on the list,
Fewer shots for scum, fewer votes in our direction.

you have guaranteed non-town.
She's already been guaranteed non-town by her claim.

Nothing you listed in your post is an upside at all. It very much looks like you're looking for evidence to support your conclusion here.

Enter · Post Post #342 (isolation #33) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:26 am

Hello!

Enter · Post Post #345 (isolation #34) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:31 am

In post 343, Bulbazak wrote:How is it a large downside if she's anything else?

Are you legitimately asking me how it's a large downside if scum completes a wincon?

How could telling the mod you're masterbating, which outside of putting you on a list does nothing else, be bad?

If this is the only result, I'm not opposed to other players doing it, however, it's known to not be the only result, and even you admit this. You also don't know what other possible results happened.

And, paranoia aside, how likely is it that mastina could have come up with a very specific claim, with confirmable in-game evidence by herself?

I don't think anyone thinks she came up with the entire claim herself. It's very likely based off her actual role, as she has been known to fake-claim in similar ways before, as claimed by herself previously in the thread.

All the objections have very little basis in reality,

You're delusional. You can't ignore reality to try and pretend your assumptions aren't as asinine as they are.

and if you test them against the question of "why would she put herself through that when there's a better way?" then it's pretty easy to see that mastina is likely telling the truth,

No, it isn't. And if you look at her meta that she has claimed to have in the thread, it seems very very likely that she is lying about this role.

and if she's not, she's still not scum, and regardless, there's nothing to lose by humoring her.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Only if she's telling the truth with the entirety of the claim, including the result, which, if she's scum, would not be possible, considering part of her claim is that she's 3p.

Enter · Post Post #346 (isolation #35) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:32 am

VOTE: Bulbazek

That post was one of the most ignorant posts I have read in my 6 years on this site.

Enter · Post Post #358 (isolation #36) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:44 am

In post 353, Bulbazak wrote:@Enter: You still have yet to give a reason why masturbating would be bad.

I've given multiple reasons why "humoring" mastina is bad, you're simply choosing to ignore them. Additionally, you insist on dishonesty when you repeatedly attempt to take the action out of context.

p-edit: This neutral 3rd party fear has always been bull crap. Most players with a neutral 3rd party still have a town bent, which means they are more likely to help town than scum if given the choice. Lynching them wastes a lynch and ignores any help they can give. They are an easy wagon for scum to push and hide on. If you want to vig them, fine, but if the objective is easily obtainable and does not go against our wincon, there's no point wasting time trying to kill them.

Unless you investigated mastina and have a mod-confirmed PM saying that she is who she says she is and her WINCON is what she says it is, this argument is ridiculous. You cannot start your argument for why someone is telling the truth with the conclusion that the person in question is telling the truth.

Enter · Post Post #368 (isolation #37) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:53 am

In post 361, Bulbazak wrote:We have no proof it's false,

I am the town cop and I have a confirmed PM saying that mastina is scum.

You have no proof the above statement is false either. Vote mastina with this new found information.

and there is evidence in thread that her masturbation claim is true.

No. There is evidence in the thread that SOMETHING happens when the correct players claim to masturbate.

And I still don't see how posting "I masturbate" in thread and being done with it would hurt town.

Let me help you. Your argument is that mastina is not that creative, right? Let me change one word in her statement and then it will hopefully become clear to you the many ways she could twist the truth (as she has claimed to do in the past) that would result poorly for town.

In post 53, mastina wrote:Hi guys.
I'm a third party whose wincon is to have everyone who is town in the game masturbate. This, very explicitly, will
not
end the game, the game will continue after I achieve my wincon, but like. I'm just here to get a good fuck, I'll help the town in exchange for them giving my win in any way that I can but like. I'm not gonna lie, bluntly, I've got one goal in this game and that's to get y'all to masturbate.

Enter · Post Post #369 (isolation #38) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:55 am

In post 365, Bulbazak wrote:I'm saying that 3rd party wagons are easy for scum to push or jump on. It makes them look like they're doing something when they're not actually scumhunting.

Sure, but you've gotta start at assuming mastina is third party.

VOTE: Bulbazek (just in case)

Enter · Post Post #370 (isolation #39) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:55 am

In post 53, mastina wrote:Hi guys.
I'm
not
a third party whose wincon is to have everyone who is town in the game masturbate. This, very explicitly, will not end the game, the game will continue after I achieve my wincon, but like. I'm just here to get a good fuck, I'll help the town in exchange for them giving my win in any way that I can but like. I'm not gonna lie, bluntly, I've got one goal in this game and that's to get y'all to masturbate.

Enter · Post Post #372 (isolation #40) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:11 am

In post 371, Bulbazak wrote:I do. It's in the OC. But sure, be willingly obtuse.

How are you calling me obtuse?

Enter · Post Post #373 (isolation #41) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:16 am

In post 372, Enter wrote:
In post 371, Bulbazak wrote:I do. It's in the OC. But sure, be willingly obtuse.
How are you calling me obtuse?

Since tone is difficult to convey through text:

What the actual fuck?

You've spent the past couple pages taking the most ignorant and naive approach to mafia, taken just about every possible instance out of context, twisted and avoided reality to justify your insane conclusions, and ask questions that beg answers only to be found in the most fundamental and basic understanding of mafia with what seems to be the sole purpose of pretending you have some reasonable way to reach the ridiculous stance you currently maintain and yet you are still trying to call

me

obtuse?

Enter · Post Post #414 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:14 am

In post 391, Pine wrote:I fucking love you, Ginny.

Okay, I am feeling much better than I did earlier in the day.

Yay! A Maria!

Just going to ignore mastina now that a critical mass is declining to play her game. Even odds she's got a kill she'll direct my way, but eh, these things happen.

Bulbazak does indeed look like a solid vote at this stage.

VOTE: Bulba

Going to bed, hopefully a much brighter day tomorrow.

Wao this post is really scummy

In post 407, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have two post restrictions.

I would like to be shot in the face until dead.

Not in the game, just.... in real life.

Can we kill Mastina for being claimed not town, then kill pine for being scum.

Ether order is fine, but Mastina feels more pressing because honestly fuck magical mystery powers in a bastard game.

Oof. Srry. Also 100% with you here

In post 408, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Pink Ball for scum #2.

Ari or Maria for scum number 3.

Dunn for town, Bulba for town because DUnn is never right if Dunn is right on Bulba I would need a complete rework on reads which is possible but who cares dunn is never right

I can see Pink Ball and Ari. I don't get Maria Scum? I only played with her like twice before tho and we only noticed each other in passing.

Why is Bulba being weird if he's not scum?
I'm like... 60% with you here

In post 410, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:anyway, Ari/Maria is not two townies.

Pine is always scum.

Pink Ball really needs death.

Please kill Mastina.

Never kill Enter or whatever the fuck his name is.

Bulba is a bad lynch

I am out take ccare of this nonsense thanks peace

Ok I follow and also I love that you somehow managed to be mean while saying nice things about me

Enter · Post Post #426 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:16 pm

Bulbazeks is pushing real stupid shit and I don't have patience for it. For that reason, my vote is on him.

I appreciate your analysis of mastina, I could see that as being true. Mastina could or could not be 3p, but AI will remind you that 3p can be a faction with population > 1

Enter · Post Post #427 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:17 pm

MariaR said hers was lifted but something was done to someone else as recompense - lady lambdadelta could be the target?

Enter · Post Post #428 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:17 pm

I don't care about mastina, I intend to ignore that slot as much as possible

Enter · Post Post #429 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:18 pm

I recognize and agree that MariaR and Pine could very easily be scum

Enter · Post Post #431 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:24 pm

Mastina and bulbazeks could be aligned or not, tbh, I dont care. I want Bulba dead, I don't care if mastina lives or dies

Enter · Post Post #432 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:24 pm

There was an SK and a backup SK in mainstream mafia II

Enter · Post Post #433 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:24 pm

In post 432, Enter wrote:There was an SK and a backup SK in mainstream mafia II

They were aligned. Not that that's relevant

Enter · Post Post #435 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:26 pm

In post 430, Taly wrote:Let's break this down, what's the stupid shit that Bulbazak is spewing? Is it coming from scum or town or you're sorting that?

Doesn't matter. It's garbage and I don't want to hear it any more. He could be town that's just completely fucked his ability to reason, or he could be scum and he's pushing people to do something because he has some alternate objective that puts us at a disadvantage

Enter · Post Post #441 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:34 pm

In post 434, Taly wrote:I don't know how we can assess the possibility of a back-up SK right now.

I honestly don't know or really care if there is one, I'm just pointing out they exist.

_&__&_&_&_&_

To my other point, trusting/listening to players who ask you to do things for them (especially factions that are not town) when you don't have complete knowledge and understanding of the result is very very rarely a good idea and players that propose otherwise are likely aligned against you need to die

Enter · Post Post #442 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:34 pm

Triple LLL is aggressive and probably town and I like that so I'll support sheeping mastina if that's what she wants to do

Enter · Post Post #443 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:36 pm

Like, listening to and working with mastina is stupid here and pushing otherwise as a good idea is worse imo

Enter · Post Post #446 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:41 pm

Bulb might not be scum I don't care what his alignment is he's admittedly pushing an agenda that isn't town

Enter · Post Post #448 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:44 pm

He refuses to discuss in good faith, his arguments are based in taking items out of context and misrepresentations. I don't see a good reason for a town player to be deceitful in this way

Enter · Post Post #451 (isolation #56) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:47 pm

/fights Alisae

Enter · Post Post #454 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:03 pm

In post 452, Alisae wrote:We’re supposed to fight in our PT not in public gawd

Sorry I have no shame

Enter · Post Post #456 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:10 pm

Alisae you're wrong and I want you to know it and I'm really emotional about it too, but I'm going to insist that you're the irrational and absurd one

Enter · Post Post #459 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:13 pm

In post 457, Alisae wrote:and you like Reservoir Dogs so your opinion is invalid

Wow. Do you not like reservoir dogs?

bTW it's not an opinion, it's a fact

Enter · Post Post #460 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:14 pm

Do you at least like inglorious bastards?

Enter · Post Post #461 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:15 pm

In post 458, Pink Ball wrote:My problem with mastina's claim is that if fewer town is alive, it becomes easier to achieve her wincon. And from scum's perspective, it's better for them that mastina leaves the game instead of lynching her because that's one less lynch on town to achieve their wincon. So her 3p is scum sided.

My OTHER problem with mastina's claim is that she would've probably noticed that and I don't believe she's a 3p

Good point. Which means town that don't consent to her claim are more likely to get shot at night

Enter · Post Post #463 (isolation #62) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:17 pm

In post 462, Alisae wrote:
In post 459, Enter wrote:
In post 457, Alisae wrote:and you like Reservoir Dogs so your opinion is invalid
Wow. Do you not like reservoir dogs?

bTW it's not an opinion, it's a fact
Pulp Fiction is better tho I do need to re-watch it I haven't seen it in years

Pulp fiction feels so randommmmm

Enter · Post Post #466 (isolation #63) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:18 pm

Like pulp fiction is fun but reservoir dogs is not only a great classic movie, but also by far the best implementation of mafia in cinema

Enter · Post Post #467 (isolation #64) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:19 pm

In post 465, Alisae wrote:
In post 463, Enter wrote:
In post 462, Alisae wrote:
In post 459, Enter wrote:
In post 457, Alisae wrote:and you like Reservoir Dogs so your opinion is invalid
Wow. Do you not like reservoir dogs?

bTW it's not an opinion, it's a fact
Pulp Fiction is better tho I do need to re-watch it I haven't seen it in years
Pulp fiction feels so randommmmm
you are actually wrong

Admittedly it has been a while since I've seen it

Enter · Post Post #469 (isolation #65) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:21 pm

In post 464, Alisae wrote:
In post 460, Enter wrote:Do you at least like inglorious bastards?
this is actually the one film I haven't seen yet tbh.

pedit: You gonna bark all day or are you gonna bite

It's a really enjoyable movie, IMO. Quite a few intricacies and ironies with no lack of gratification.

Enter · Post Post #470 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:21 pm

In post 468, Alisae wrote:
In post 466, Enter wrote:Like pulp fiction is fun but reservoir dogs is not only a great classic movie, but also by far the best implementation of mafia in cinema
oh THATS why you like it.

I liked reservoir dogs before I played mafia chronically, tbh

Enter · Post Post #472 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:22 pm

Reservoir dogs was one of the first movies I watched when climbing out from underneath the rock I grew up under, and I watched it because the first forum mafia game was the exact format and theme that I'm going to run in a few weeks

Enter · Post Post #473 (isolation #68) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:22 pm

Quentin Tarantino is a pretty good director in general, IMO

Enter · Post Post #474 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:23 pm

Also I would bite you but I'm not sure how, srry

Enter · Post Post #475 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:23 pm

In post 464, Alisae wrote:
In post 460, Enter wrote:Do you at least like inglorious bastards?
this is actually the one film I haven't seen yet tbh.

pedit: You gonna bark all day or are you gonna bite

In post 474, Enter wrote:Also I would bite you but I'm not sure how, srry

Enter · Post Post #476 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:24 pm

Oh wow a pagetop. Penguinpower must now surrender his vote to me

Enter · Post Post #478 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:27 pm

In post 477, Alisae wrote:
In post 473, Enter wrote:Quentin Tarantino is a pretty good director in general, IMO
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood wasn't for me

Agreed.

Hateful 8 also felt like a bit of a waste of my time

Enter · Post Post #480 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:35 pm

Ok well I'm trying to fight you but I think I just agree too much

Enter · Post Post #481 (isolation #74) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:35 pm

Let's fight Pink Ball instead

Enter · Post Post #482 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:36 pm

Did I ever tell you about the time that Pink Ball singlehandedly won a mafia game by targetting himself for the factional kill?

Enter · Post Post #488 (isolation #76) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:23 pm

In post 486, Alisae wrote:god why does Sherlock look so ugly dude

Take that back

Enter · Post Post #511 (isolation #77) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:48 pm

In post 505, mastina wrote:
In post 441, Enter wrote:To my other point, trusting/listening to players who ask you to do things for them (especially factions that are not town) when you don't have complete knowledge and understanding of the result is
...Precisely what the game of mafia was built upon on a fundamental level and it doesn't work if you don't do this to some degree.

No, it isn't, unless you're intentionally ignoring vital words places here intentionally

In post 506, mastina wrote:
In post 448, Enter wrote:He refuses to discuss in good faith, his arguments are based in taking items out of context and misrepresentations. I don't see a good reason for a town player to be deceitful in this way
Mate frankly that's a description of your play, not Bulb's.

You cant provide me with a single example that supports your claim here given that I've approached in good faith where I can provide you with several alternatives. It's apparent you either hardly read any of what happened or are merely opposing me because you know I've opposed claims that support you, so frankly, fuck off with this bullshit. It's not just completely incorrect, it's real life pissing me off.

Enter · Post Post #512 (isolation #78) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:54 pm

I'm really not in the mood to deal with your self contradictory garbage right now mastina, and you're currently talking yourself in a downward spiral. Given you've stated you intend to win in the easiest way possible I am begging you to shut the fuck up and back off.

Enter · Post Post #513 (isolation #79) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:59 pm

In post 508, mastina wrote:
In post 461, Enter wrote:Which means town that don't consent to her claim are more likely to get shot at night
Considering the majority of those who aren't consenting are players who I'd find suspect.

I don't see this as a bad thing.
Scum would need to shoot scummy players, which makes lynching scum easier.

Good thing you're third party and have already announced your freedom from legitimately reading the thread and have no need to town read anyone not agreeing with you anyways, not to mention you're currently town reading me and Dunn harder than anyone else in the game with the exception of Bulb, and that doesn't seem particularly consistent with this claim, does it? It's almost like you're just making shit up that makes you feel good about your claims

In post 56, mastina wrote:Btw, it's not really important to me since I don't need to scumhunt this game but just for the record--Bulbazak and Dunnstral are painfully obviously town and Enter is so town I almost named him as a third with them; you can pretty much instantly locktown Bulb and Dunn, with Enter as very very very strong town on the verge of locktown.

Enter · Post Post #514 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:00 pm

Additionally, you conveniently point out how little importance scum hunting is to you in the same post. Soooo... Where's the weight to your reads again?

Enter · Post Post #515 (isolation #81) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:01 pm

Wow I'm so pissed, the following post is soooo fucking garbage

In post 506, mastina wrote:
In post 448, Enter wrote:He refuses to discuss in good faith, his arguments are based in taking items out of context and misrepresentations. I don't see a good reason for a town player to be deceitful in this way
Mate frankly that's a description of your play, not Bulb's.

Enter · Post Post #523 (isolation #82) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:26 pm

In post 521, Gamma Emerald wrote:Let me rephrase:

Enter, why are you saying things that act helpful but contribute nothing overall?

I'm not

Enter · Post Post #525 (isolation #83) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:27 pm

In post 520, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 433, Enter wrote:
In post 432, Enter wrote:There was an SK and a backup SK in mainstream mafia II
They were aligned. Not that that's relevant
Yeah it’s not. That game was 40 players. A game on my homesite had 48 players and a tandem SK duo (one actually killed while the other provided the BP effect for the pair). This game is 13 players. Run the math on that, why don’t you? We’re not going to have a backup SK in a game this small.

Enter tell me why you’re asking stupid questions.

I'm not.

In post 433, Enter wrote:
In post 432, Enter wrote:There was an SK and a backup SK in mainstream mafia II
They were aligned.
Not that that's relevant

Enter · Post Post #528 (isolation #84) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:28 pm

Wow another pagetop

Enter · Post Post #529 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:29 pm

In post 519, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 429, Enter wrote:I recognize and agree that MariaR and Pine could very easily be scum
Why is Alisae not mentioned?

Because I don't think they're scum?

Enter · Post Post #530 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:30 pm

In post 527, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 504, mastina wrote:
In post 420, Taly wrote:I'm having a hard time following the leap from
mastina
to
Bulbazak
, specifically
(Alisae/MariaR/Pine)
Well to be blunt--while that trio isn't the scumteam, it's got 1-2 scum in it for sure, so.
Agreed

Also think Enter is a strong scum candidate

Why?

Enter · Post Post #532 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:31 pm

In post 520, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 433, Enter wrote:
In post 432, Enter wrote:There was an SK and a backup SK in mainstream mafia II
They were aligned. Not that that's relevant
Yeah it’s not. That game was 40 players. A game on my homesite had 48 players and a tandem SK duo (one actually killed while the other provided the BP effect for the pair). This game is 13 players. Run the math on that, why don’t you? We’re not going to have a backup SK in a game this small.

Enter tell me why you’re asking stupid questions.

At no point did I imply there was an SK in this game.

Taly did, however. Where's your response to him?

Enter · Post Post #533 (isolation #88) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:31 pm

In post 531, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 523, Enter wrote:
In post 521, Gamma Emerald wrote:Let me rephrase:

Enter, why are you saying things that act helpful but contribute nothing overall?
I'm not
Really? Because all the backup SK point did was waste time and possibly cause confusion and disharmony.
I haven’t read most of the game
and I already get the sense you’re openwolfing here.

That's blatantly apparent.

Enter · Post Post #535 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Sorry, it wasn't Taly who brought up the point about there being a potential SK, someone just pointed out that anyone can buy a vig shot in the shop.

Enter · Post Post #538 (isolation #90) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:38 pm

In post 536, Gamma Emerald wrote:How and where did Taly imply an SK?

Also I don’t fucking answer to you. I’m playing my way which right now is just reading whatever I can in the time I can allot to this and working with what I’ve got. I’m not going to force myself to catch all the way up for some noble ideal of “playing the game as a service”. Fuck that.

The attitude here is so fucking ridiculous I'm still trying to wrap my brain around it. The closest thing I've heard to it is items like "noble idea of vaccinating my children." You signed up for the game, now play it or replace out.

In post 537, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 535, Enter wrote:Sorry, it wasn't Taly who brought up the point about there being a potential SK, someone just pointed out that anyone can buy a vig shot in the shop.
Yeah you better step down before I step up

I hope you step up because it will be the most ridiculous thing since sending Eddie the Eagle to the Olympics. I'd love to see you try to stand on that pile of garbage that is literally just you pulling posts w/o context from the thread and calling it a case.

Enter · Post Post #539 (isolation #91) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:39 pm

SO much entitlement in: "I don't answer to you, I'm not going to catch up for the "noble idea of playing the game"

Enter · Post Post #540 (isolation #92) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:40 pm

What a ridiculous string of posts.

Enter · Post Post #541 (isolation #93) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:40 pm

How are you asking me questions and then getting pissed when I ask you questions back?

Enter · Post Post #542 (isolation #94) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:41 pm

GE: "asks question"
Enter: "asks question back"
GE: "who the fuck do you think you are i don't answer to you I'm not here to play the game I'm gonna do what i want fuck off"

Enter · Post Post #543 (isolation #95) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:42 pm

Just wait, the next post will be "I'm going to answer you ENter, but it's gonna be because I want to, not because you told me too!"

Enter · Post Post #555 (isolation #96) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:57 pm

In post 549, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 539, Enter wrote:SO much entitlement in: "I don't answer to you, I'm not going to catch up for the "noble idea of playing the game"
AS A SERVICE. This is a HOBBY. Get bent with your out-of-context smear tactics.

Put whatever the fuck words you want to on there, a flake is a flake is a flake is a flake. Flaking on Friday Night Football is the same as flaking in mafia. It's all hobbies and it all fucks people over if you say you're gonna participate and don't. And don't put fucking words in my mouth, I never said shit about being fully caught-up, you did.

In post 550, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 538, Enter wrote:
In post 536, Gamma Emerald wrote:How and where did Taly imply an SK?

Also I don’t fucking answer to you. I’m playing my way which right now is just reading whatever I can in the time I can allot to this and working with what I’ve got. I’m not going to force myself to catch all the way up for some noble ideal of “playing the game as a service”. Fuck that.
The attitude here is so fucking ridiculous I'm still trying to wrap my brain around it. The closest thing I've heard to it is items like "noble idea of vaccinating my children." You signed up for the game, now play it or replace out.
In post 537, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 535, Enter wrote:Sorry, it wasn't Taly who brought up the point about there being a potential SK, someone just pointed out that anyone can buy a vig shot in the shop.
Yeah you better step down before I step up
I hope you step up because it will be the most ridiculous thing since sending Eddie the Eagle to the Olympics. I'd love to see you try to stand on that pile of garbage that is literally just you pulling posts w/o context from the thread and calling it a case.
Like I am playing the game, if that entails being fully caught up to you then we have very different concepts of that term. I declared myself V/LA so I wouldn’t have to feel pressure to fucking post while dealing with settling into a new schedule. This game has actually fucked with my mental health so back off buckaroo.

And I won’t call this a case but it is pretty indicative of you being scum and your blowback tells me I’m fucking right.

No, my blowback tells you you're acting like a dumbass.

Enter · Post Post #557 (isolation #97) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:59 pm

In post 551, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because you getting uppity about my catchup status gives me the sense you think it should be “better” which I’m sorry but I’m not catering to your specific sensitivities here dude.

Naw, I'm just saying you reading the last three of my posts and taking them out of context to support an off-the-cuff scum read with no ACTUAL basis had you read any part of the game is a waste of literally everyone's time here.

My "specific sensitivities" are words you're trying to put in my mouth. All I said was it's apparent you haven't read the game. Everything else is you projecting your insecurities on everyone else.

Enter · Post Post #558 (isolation #98) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:00 pm

In post 550, Gamma Emerald wrote:Like I am playing the game, if that entails being fully caught up to you then we have very different concepts of that term. I declared myself V/LA so I wouldn’t have to feel pressure to fucking post while dealing with settling into a new schedule. This game has actually fucked with my mental health so back off buckaroo.

I never said shit about fully caught up.
But you have obviously not even bare minimum SKIMMED the game. You've only seen the first page and the last three. If the game is affecting your mental health so much, find something else to do and stop signing up for shit you can't follow through on.

Enter · Post Post #559 (isolation #99) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:04 pm

Like... I don't care if you skim the game or read the whole thing and take notes, but opening the thread to the last three pages, skimming for stuff that looks scummy at a glance and then quoting them and calling it your scum read just wastes time and "causes disharmony"

Enter · Post Post #569 (isolation #100) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:07 am

In post 562, Gamma Emerald wrote:My mental health is fine rn but it very likely won’t be if I have to deal with being shit on like this
Enter if you’re not scum this is borderline shitty behavior, you are being flagrantly antagonistic

If you believe for a second that your behavior this game hasn't been really shitty to come from Amy human being, that you haven't repeatedly tried to excuse your absolutely garbage behavior by calling yourself a victim here, that your behavior hasn't matched the person who blames someone else for leaving the stove on after sticking their hand on it and leaving it there.

I don't care what your alignment is, you have no sway and regardless of your alignment your behavior is garbage. The sort you don't believe people actually except in the movies.

Enter · Post Post #572 (isolation #101) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:17 am

Like, you came in the thread, skimmed the last three pages of the game, accused me of being scum after taking my posts out of context, and then threatened me by telling me step down or you'd step up. When I called you out on your behavior, you put words in my mouth and started fighting a straw man that you built out of the argument that you need to play this game as a service to anyone else. You excused your garbage attitude and approach to the game by mentioning your mental health (which is fine, by the way, but might slip at any moment if you treat me like I'm trying to treat you). You told me I can't ask you questions, but you can ask me questions and when I tried to take a calmer attitude (one that does not mention the one you opened the thread with), you told me that my play has been disgusting this game (a game you still haven't read, by the way), and you imply that you intend to spend the rest of the day voting me. Your play here has exhibited the whiniest, most self entitled, self-victimizing attitude I have ever experienced even in modern cinema. I give 0 shits about your mental health, this is a game and if it's that threatening to you, or you can't afford the time to keep up, then replace out and stop signing up for it.

Seriously hideous shit. What sort of person thinks they can get away with treating other people like garbage and get away with it by threatening people with their own deteriorating mental health?

Enter · Post Post #574 (isolation #102) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:24 am

In post 571, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know I was going to just attempt ignore Enter but I remembered he was responding a ton to me in disproportionate fashion so I checked and he has the most posts rn

The funny thing is you haven't even SKIMMED the entire thread because you had to look at the activity overview to see that I've been active as a player.

And if all this posting is bad for you, then stop.

So like Enter you can eat shit because you’re the one doing the most work to extend the thread and now you’re here fucking bullying me for suspecting you with a limited scope of the game.

You not having read the game is not my problem, and it's one you can easily fix. It's also not the main problem I have with you right now and if you read the entire game thread it wouldn't change how terrible you've been.

The mature thing would have been to encourage me to read the game and figure things out but instead you went ballistic. That’s both scummy as fuck and awful in general.

Ok so let me get this straight - you enter the thread, read the last three pages, get super aggressive with me because you skimmed my posts and something caught your eye tonally and you hadn't read the whole conversation so you went with it. You come after me and then when I point out how obviously ill-informed you are because of how stupid your posts are and you go ballistic on me and telling me not to match your tempo because you're about to go hard on me, that's ok. I'm supposed to treat your entitled, childish tantrums like a loving and understanding mother who looks at their kid pounding the floor and insisting that they have respect and calmly guide you to what I want you to do?

Enter · Post Post #578 (isolation #103) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:47 am

In post 576, Gamma Emerald wrote:I s2g I don’t have time for your bullshit Enter
I wasn’t trying to use my mental health as leverage, I just wanted to bring up that this game has fucked me up in the past. And like the fact you keep going back to “He SkImMeD tHrEe PaGeS” tells me you have no real basis for treating me this way and are just feeling cornered.

The fact that you seem to think that it's ridiculous for any one player to call someone out for trying to gladiate someone after only skimming three pages, the fact that you think that it's ok to behave like you did and ridiculous for anyone to call you out on it should just make you reread what you just wrote and maybe check yourself against reality, because you've really fucking missed it.

Like, I started playing with what I had to work with at the time and what did you do? Call me stupid for pushing you without full info,

like it's completely boggling to me that you don't realize how ridiculous it is that you are not only doing this, but trying to push it as normal or acceptable

[Quoterather than idk,

attempt to inform me what I was missing

? [/Quote]
Wait. Your solution to you not reading the thread is that I should give you more posts to read?

You cant read the game yourself and you didn't ask me for help, instead you come after me as scum, and your expectation is that I try and explain to a player who has just shown they have no interest in trusting me and no capacity for reading for themselves, who is insisting on putting words in my mouth, what it is that they are missing?

Actually, on that note, what
did
I miss? What makes you so obviously town? If you can present a functional reason right now I’ll drop this tirade.

You having this tantrum right now only makes you look more and more ridiculous. The more you respond to me the more I can get out my anger at you. I am in no way scared of anything you have to say about my alignment, I'm just fed up with your garbage. The longer you tirade, the more I get to respond to it and I get to feel better about saying all the things I want to say to you but couldn't if you'd just stop posting entitled bullshit.

Also stop with the fucking slanderous rhetoric.

Once again, you have displayed the very facet that you seem to try to hold against me.

Enter · Post Post #584 (isolation #104) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:14 am

In post 583, Gamma Emerald wrote:I didn’t try to thunderdome you until you’d already set the tone of our interactions.

No, you set the tone with your opening three posts.

as I see it I may not be acting right but yours the one who goddamn started this.

You can see it however you want but if you mess with a bear cub, the mother doesn't give two shits how you feel you should be treated.

How is me trying to play the game with partial information such a motherfucking crime against humanity? Would you rather I just continue to do jack shit? I attempted to get into the game and in return you are assaulting me.

You didn't try to get more information, you tried to act on what little you had. You didn't try to fix yourself, you tried to blame everyone else for your shit not being ok.

I would have appreciated it if you told me
which
posts to look at. Instead you get upset that I have the
gall
to push you when I haven’t read the entire game. Constructive criticism goes a long way and you don’t seem to get that.

Acting like my response to your behavior was ridiculous doesn't make it ridiculous. You want some constructive criticism? Stop playing mafia. Every game you've been in that I've seen you've exclusively claimed to be V/LA, made excuses for garbage play, and blamed everyone else for your own unreasonable expectations for everyone else.

Now, since you clearly have no reason for you to be obvtown, mind telling me what’s so stupid about me pushing you? Like, you could have provided examples of how you were not doing what I called you out for (saying useless things that hurt the situation) but you just shot me down.

Read your posts again and then ask yourself how you would expect anyone else to respond or read them. Then tell me what sort of response you find reasonable.

Also the rhetoric I take issue with is the “entitled parent” imagery. Make your point but leave that out, it’s obnoxious, slanderous, and bloats your fucking posts.

What does "bloats your posts" even mean? Quit acting like a fucking child if you don't want to be treated like one.

Enter · Post Post #585 (isolation #105) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:20 am

Your attitude is the equivalent of walking up and taking someone's shit from their house. Then when they come after you with the police, you say that you think that it's ridiculous to expect that everyone know you don't take people's items out of their homes, that it's absurd to expect you to know every rule in it's entirety. Then when the person you stole from tries to calm down, you attack them and tell them you think that they never deserved to have that shit in the first place, that they had better let you have their shit because if they don't you'll fight them on it. And when they take you to jail, you exclaim that some constructive criticism would be nice, that your mental health has been declining, and that they're the ones who started this

Enter · Post Post #586 (isolation #106) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:21 am

In post 585, Enter wrote:Your attitude is the equivalent of walking up and taking someone's shit from their house. Then when they come after you with the police, you say that you think that it's ridiculous to expect that everyone know you don't take people's items out of their homes, that it's absurd to expect you to know every rule in it's entirety. Then when the person you stole from tries to calm down, you attack them and tell them you think that they never deserved to have that shit in the first place, that they had better let you have their shit because if they don't you'll fight them on it. And when they take you to jail, you exclaim that some constructive criticism would be nice, that your mental health has been declining, and that they're the ones who started this

I didn't even get everything in this post because of how many absolutely absurd responses you've had here.

Enter · Post Post #590 (isolation #107) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:03 am

In post 588, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 581, Taly wrote:
GE
-
Enter
timeout.

you guys have been going at it for 2+ pages and nothing is resolved

ill read the past few pages soon, but i keep seeing your guys' avi continually and the tone is strong
I’m trying to not let Enter keep me from being able to focus on the game rn, but ugh he seems dedicated to making this game absolute hell for me

Ah yes. It is I who is coming after you!
I entered the thread and started making claims about you to distract you from reading the thread (which is also something I want you to achieve, also according to you)!
Gamma Emerald, the player I have played with twice before (maybe more?), and my arch-nemesis! There is nothing that I fear more than you having an enjoyable game of mafia! I am physically restraining you from reading any portion of the game, and it is I who aggressively pursues interaction with you without having anywhere near a workable set of information!
Everything is about you, Gamma Emerald! I admit that this is somewhat contradictory to the latticework of reasoning I have constructed in my manifesto about the destruction of your happiness, but I will admit that there is no action you can take (or not take) that completely refutes my plan! You are not, in fact, responsible for the outcomes of your actions! I would have come after you regardless of whether or not you threatened to come after me or made ill-informed claims in the thread about me!
I have been called out! Caught! There is nothing more for me to do but WEEP at the knowledge that I have been defeated, my every maneuver countered, and beg that you do this one thing for me; Do not actually read the game, Gamma Emerald, and try to participate in good faith like a normal player! Do not leave me alone here and whatever you do, please do not stop trying to antagonize me and then blame me for what you've done and continue to do! I could not handle that, not in the slightest!

Enter · Post Post #591 (isolation #108) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:04 am

In post 589, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 80, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’ve read a bit of this game and I’m TERRIFIED tbh

In post 288, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Putting up a safety V/LA until the 17th because my next few days could be turbulent and I don’t want to get replaced accidentally

In post 418, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 407, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I have two post restrictions.

I would like to eb shot in the face until dead.

Not in the gmae, just.... in real life.

Can we kill Mastina for bneig claimed not town, then kill pine for being scum.

Eehtr order is fine, but Mastina feels more pressing because hltonesy fuck magical mystery powers in a bastard game.
Opened the thread to see this, has LLD claimed her pick because it’s p obvious to me
Is this what you mean by “my opening three posts”?

Not the three posts you opened the thread with overall, but the three posts you opened the thread with yesterday:

Spoiler:

Enter · Post Post #592 (isolation #109) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:06 am

and not really even 519, more 531 than that.

Enter · Post Post #594 (isolation #110) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:15 am

In post 593, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what, go fuck yourself.

Same to you!

And be very careful if you join another game with me because I’ll be watching you.

The same way I should step down, because you'll step up?

Enter · Post Post #595 (isolation #111) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:16 am

How about just don't join games w/ me in it?

Or just don't do really stupid shit?

Enter · Post Post #596 (isolation #112) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:16 am

Or just don't join games in general if your mental health is a risk or you can't support actually participating?

Enter · Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:15 am

I think it's almost always a good idea to keep reads to yourself until you're certain on them and I don't think it's incumbent on town to share all the information you have.

Enter · Post Post #612 (isolation #114) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:03 pm

In post 610, Bulbazak wrote:That said, since you have opened your big mouth, this is the reason why I said Enter should be vigged and should not live to see the endgame:

In post 313, Enter wrote: That said, I don't believe in masturbation, but it doesn't matter if I do or do not, because I am scum.

Or just lynch me.

Enter · Post Post #613 (isolation #115) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:06 pm

Also I legitimately don't care if you don't get it when I say stupid shit like that. I have a really dry sense of humor and to be honest don't understand why posts like that are funny to me, but I think that dunnstral has played with me in a game where I've claimed scum as town before, or maybe he just understands my sense of humor, but calling him big-mouthed for shit like that is kinda mean.

Enter · Post Post #614 (isolation #116) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:08 pm

I think it's in the games where I feel like I look the towniest that I claim scum, and I think it's because acting in a way that so completely contradicts what I'm saying feels like some twisted sort of irony to me.

That said, don't insult other people cuz you don't get it when I'm joking. Do push for a lynch on me, though.

Enter · Post Post #616 (isolation #117) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:10 pm

Maybe it has to do with the fact that neither scum nor town serve to benefit from claiming scum and I'm curious to see what the sort of conclusion a player could draw from someone doing such a thing. However, I will say that I definitely don't condone that behavior and I'm actually an idiot for doing it, it serves no real game purpose or agenda and definitely understand pushing policy lunches through on me for stuff like that. Definitely shouldn't have done it - again, I'm still not sure why I did or do do things like that, but it has the potential to be toxic and it isn't really playing to my WinCon.

In conclusion, berate me for doing stupid things like that all you want, but please don't go after dunnstral for it. LOL

Ok. Sorry for spam posting, I'll go away for a bit again.

Enter · Post Post #670 (isolation #118) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:02 am

In post 658, Taly wrote:I skimmed through the part about the masturbation details, I mainly masturbated to see how people responded to player's joining a claimed 3p's mechanic.

Tbh, I expected more blowback, not just more of the same "mastina cannot be trusted" rhetoric.

I can see the possibility of mastina-town to do this as a means to gamesolve. With her stated ability having an investigative utility to it that depends on public action, I think its integrity would be questioned regardless of her claim. So, to understand the players' perspective, she gives tangible reason to doubt her.

I don't know if mastina plays this way, but I can't see her being groupscum with the game's response to her. I'm still not impressed with the responses people have clarified on voting Bulb over mastina, either.

I think your expectation is unrealistic. The only players who should give you blowback for participating in mastina's claim are scum, since a town player can simply not participate and as long as they remain alive, there is little risk of mastina's claim being fulfilled.

I agree that there is a low likelihood of mastina being group scum.

I'm voting Bulbazek over mastina because I don't trust him but I don't think mastina is group scum.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:31 am

In post 681, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 670, Enter wrote: I'm voting Bulbazek over mastina because I don't trust him but I don't think mastina is group scum.

I thought this was made very clear. I don't think you should be in the game another day. I think lynching mastina is better than lynching town but worse than lynching scum.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:36 am

I also would like to note the fact that while Gamma was here, they cast suspicion on the entire Bulbazeks wagon and exclusively the bulbazek wagon without reading much more than the most recent three pages.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:39 am

In post 519, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 429, Enter wrote:I recognize and agree that MariaR and Pine could very easily be scum
Why is Alisae not mentioned?

In post 527, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 504, mastina wrote:
In post 420, Taly wrote:I'm having a hard time following the leap from
mastina
to
Bulbazak
, specifically
(Alisae/MariaR/Pine)
Well to be blunt--while that trio isn't the scumteam, it's got 1-2 scum in it for sure, so.
Agreed

Also think Enter is a strong scum candidate

In post 679, Ginngie wrote:Bulbazak- 4 (Alisae, MariaR, Enter, Pine) L - 3

Taly seems to be taking a similar approach. I have yet to hear a response from him.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:41 am

In post 689, Bulbazak wrote:So you're thinking Gamma/Bingle is scum now?

I don't know. It's possible. It doesn't really matter until I see your flip. I'm merely quoting interesting points for the thread so that after you flip I can come back and look at them and test their validity if you flip scum.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:48 am

In post 692, Bulbazak wrote:If my scum reads were all predicated on one player flipping scum because they were defending him, I'd reevaluate my scum reads.

Good thing my scum reads are not based on this, and I explicitly stated otherwise.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:49 am

In post 693, Enter wrote:
In post 692, Bulbazak wrote:If my scum reads were all predicated on one player flipping scum because they were defending him, I'd reevaluate my scum reads.
Good thing my scum reads are not based on this, and I explicitly stated otherwise.

I do appreciate your commitment to misrepresenting me and generally speaking communicating in bad faith.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:52 am

Also, none of the quoted posts defend you in any way other than indirectly, through what is known as a "chainsaw defense," a defense almost exclusively used by scum, since town rarely have reason to mask their desire to defend another player.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:54 am

In post 695, Bulbazak wrote:Okay. If I flip town, what does that tell you about Bingle and Taly? Same for if I flip scum.

It would depend on the way they interact with your slot and others, as well as your interactions.

P-edit: How am I misrepping you or communicating in bad faith?

By implying my situation looks like the following:

In post 692, Bulbazak wrote:If my scum reads were all predicated on one player flipping scum because they were defending him, I'd reevaluate my scum reads.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:57 am

I don't know if you will flip scum. If you flip town, I will not be disheartened. Statistically speaking, the likelihood is that town will flip on day 1 and day 1 scum flips also result in scum wins. You have proven to be detrimental to town in both general approach and your communication method and therefore, your alignment does not matter to me in the slightest.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:58 am

In post 698, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 688, Enter wrote:I also would like to note the fact that while Gamma was here, they cast suspicion on the entire Bulbazeks wagon and exclusively the bulbazek wagon without reading much more than the most recent three pages.
So you weren't calling Gamma scum here?

No, I wasn't, and I specifically said so here:

In post 691, Enter wrote:
In post 689, Bulbazak wrote:So you're thinking Gamma/Bingle is scum now?
I don't know. It's possible. It doesn't really matter until I see your flip.
I'm merely quoting interesting points for the thread so that after you flip I can come back and look at them and test their validity if you flip scum.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:02 am

In post 701, Bulbazak wrote:So you just throw shade at the slot for kick and giggles then.

No, I'm not. I very much expect to die tonight and I also have difficulty keeping track of my thoughts throughout the game, so having a digital log in the thread for myself (and others) to follow helps when reviewing the thread.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:16 am

Also what I quoted is nowhere near enough evidence to really scum read anyone without a flip, much less push them for it.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:35 am

In post 704, Bulbazak wrote:So what's the point? And don't say "So people can look back at my thoughts after I die.", because that's crap. You didn't give an opinion. You just threw shade and pretended it was significant.

You still manage to present me as taking a position I'm not saying, and though I felt I stated it pretty explicitly, you still manage to miss the point.

VOTE: Enter

I've been waiting on Bingle to see if he had some meta on you. I finally just did a quick meta-dive myself to see if you were incredibly toxic as town or used open-ended neutral language. I didn't see any, and I also noticed a complete different way in how you approached your town games compared with how you've been approaching this one. And I'd much rather believe that you're just scum here trying to muddy the thread than a town player who decided to suddenly be an a-hole.

Lol.

You managed to ignore the meta given by multiple other players this game, decided to do a dive of your own, and still completely fucked up.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:36 am

In post 705, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 687, Enter wrote:
In post 681, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 670, Enter wrote: I'm voting Bulbazek over mastina because I don't trust him but I don't think mastina is group scum.

I thought this was made very clear. I don't think you should be in the game another day. I think lynching mastina is better than lynching town but worse than lynching scum.
Let's go back to this. You don't think I noticed how neutral your language in regards to me is? "I don't trust him" instead of "He is scum". And then just "I don't think you should be in the game another day." which does not say anything about an alignment read. So technically you can say you told the truth that I was not scum, even though you just imply it. I'd expect stronger language, especially given what follows, but you're incredibly weak and take a lot of prodding just to commit to a scum read.

In post 706, Bulbazak wrote:And you're only now trying to qualify your vote on me as being a scum read, even though you've repeatedly framed it as a policy lynch because you did not like or agree with my logic (another reason why saying "lynching mastina is better than lynching town but worse than lynching scum" just came off as extremely weird). You've even gone out of your way to ignore other players you've called scummy just to push this agenda.

Lol.

You are still misrepresenting me because you probably still don't understand. I'm not comitting to you as a scum read because I don't care if you're scum or not. The closest name for my approach to you is a policy lynch.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:38 am

I am not scum reading you. I have at no point in this game pretended to scum read you. I don't know or care if you're scum. I have said this all game as well.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:39 am

Also, you should thank me, I'm saving your life by relating my push on you to a policy lynch.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:40 am

And I'm in no way calling Gamma or Taly scummy. I think Taly is likely town. I quoted those posts for the exact reason I said I quoted those posts: to keep track of my thoughts on re-reead. If you thought those actions made those players scummy without me adding my opinion, that's a you read on them, not a me read on them.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:47 am

In post 714, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 711, Enter wrote:Also, you should thank me, I'm saving your life by relating my push on you to a policy lynch.
Okay but what if you did not play poorly and instead we killed someone more relevant.

Like this ghost of a player letting the thread go to shit.

VOTE: Pine

In post 715, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 688, Enter wrote:I also would like to note the fact that while Gamma was here, they cast suspicion on the entire Bulbazeks wagon and exclusively the bulbazek wagon without reading much more than the most recent three pages.
To say that there's no agenda behind this is bull crap.

#conspiracy

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:48 am

Some people just seem to find a hidden agenda in everything.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:48 am

In post 714, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 711, Enter wrote:Also, you should thank me, I'm saving your life by relating my push on you to a policy lynch.
Okay but what if you did not play poorly and instead we killed someone more relevant.

Like this ghost of a player letting the thread go to shit.

VOTE: Pine

That's a pretty fair point you make there.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:49 am

In post 717, Enter wrote:Some people just seem to find a hidden agenda in everything.

Oof. This was too far, and I'm sorry.

You seemed hell bent on finding a reason for the things I did and while your conclusion was ridiculous, I shouldn't have said this. I'm sorry.

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:56 am

Also... Put up with what?

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:57 am

Oh. Patient. My b. What do you have to be patient with me over?

Enter · Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:05 pm

Wait nevermind, I figured it out.

Enter · Post Post #740 (isolation #143) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:36 pm

Lynch me if you like. I have better reason for wanting Bulba lynched than policy lynch that I will not reveal. Do with that what you will.

Enter · Post Post #741 (isolation #144) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:51 pm

I also have scum reads on Maria and Pine. I'm willing to follow for either of their lynch, but I would not want credit for either lynch and I'd rather have Bulba dead at the end of the day.

Enter · Post Post #772 (isolation #145) » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:29 pm

I'm ok with you trying to lunch me but if you insist that it's a good idea for me to be bigger, I'm going to have to kill you.

Enter · Post Post #773 (isolation #146) » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:33 pm

*lynch, vigged (not bigger)

Enter · Post Post #774 (isolation #147) » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:34 pm

I mean, I am scum, so I'll just use my factional kill to remove you tonight if you're not lynched today.

Enter · Post Post #775 (isolation #148) » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:37 pm

Wow I'm actually trying to figure out a way to play around you and I honestly don't think I can. I really don't like having to ignore people that are actively advocating for bad play.

Enter · Post Post #776 (isolation #149) » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:38 pm

Eh, screw it. I won't have fun trying to explain everything all game anyways.