In post 733, Farkset wrote:Jemaine, what are your actual intentions? I might sometimes overlook detail but i am trying my best to exchange my views with others to figure out the best action by working with them. Is this your help? Here you pull old farkran post to prove your point that he is unskilled...
You expect everyone to sheep you in Neighborizering and No capturing but you disappear instead of debating it. It is obvious that we don't follow you, when you never speak about perks of your plan. Do you hope that discrediting every other idea will make us pick yours out of elimination?
~Kerset
I actually don't expect or even want people to sheep is on neighborizer. What I said is I understand why bret would switch to that. Now ask yourself what the scum motive would be to picking that and why so blatantly? And if it was scum motivated why haven't the rest of the team tried to support it at any point?
We have started the game with 1 xp ourselves and it takes 4 xp for us to upgrade. We have no special abilities at the start so we are effectively vanilla until n5 if we rely on training alone. However we do have an alternative way of gaining 1 xp and neighborizer would have triggered it thus effectively making us able to upgrade one day/night earlier. Now since we viewed strongman as a way to drain scum xp as explained before and multiple players had pointed out the flaws in several proposed strategies concerning the train cop bret thought we could gain something from neighborizer ourselves. It is also as good an investigation as the train cop is because he realized town are more likely to initiate neighbors which I think someone else mentioned later on. Now if scum wanted to use that to their advantage and start neighbors to be town rad for it then they also spend xp on it. So scum spend xp on neighbors and they spend xp on strongman is an extreme case but is net profit for the town. To save up on their xp they would need to either not start neighbors and look suspicious for it or not use the strongman and risk their kill being blocked.
Now why would I/we have needed to explain all this from the start? that brings me to the first paragraph of this post as well as the whole subject of why do people not try to find the various possible motives for someone to say/do something and evaluate based on that rather than equating doing something they wouldn't to being scum? I will ask again now.. what exactly was the scum motive behind bret voting for neighborizer even if you ignore my explanation entirely, and why have scum not pushed harder for that if they thought it benefits them more?
-Jemaine
