In post 1106, Bingle wrote:Ari's role is unconfirmed, though confirmable-ish.(Someone who doesn't tell them they're giving him money gives him money.) Supposedly it pays you back at the beginning of the next day. It also makes accountability for money very difficult.
That's...not what he said it did. Your reading comprehension this game is off.
Well, I townread you, turkey, so I'm not voting there. Pine is my banditboi, so I'm not voting there. I'm likely wrong on Dunn and blew up at him because of his neighborhood antics + what I perceived as rolefish + external factors that led to me reacting a bit unreasonably. I'm never going to get JingleBingle lynched D1, and he's supporting keeping Ari alive despite misreading Ari's ability for some reason + while I like playing with Ari, I don't really townread him.
In post 1143, gobbledygook wrote:But before you do, please explain to me what is alignment indicative for Pine then because right now you're saying nothing Pine does is alignment indicative.
Pine likes to manufacture associations, coordinate the scumteam, and keep his peeps grounded as scum.
As town, he's more likely to actually be solvey late game without being forced into it.
Generally speaking, though, you read Pine the same way you read Alyssa. You ask if the gamestate benefits them more as town or scum on later days and whether they've done anything to help/hinder the creation of that gamestate.
And yes, as an aside, you are a player I'd normally be giving extra leeway to because of the general accuracy of your reads, but I already had a fairly strong scum read of your slot when you repped in. It sucks. There's nothing you can really do about it. But that read existed and will continue to exist. The best use of your energy is to scumhunt.
If a wagon comes along I like more I'll join on it. If a deadline Ari lynch is a thing I'll 100% be there to keep PB from eating rope.
Oh, so it's even worse than I thought because it's wholly unconfirmable. Cool, I'm gonna continue thinking that it's a shit claim that is a high value NK for scum then.
Dunn for town, Bulba for town bcuaese DUnn is never right if Dunn is right on Bblua I would need a complete rework on reads which si possible but who cares dunn is never right]
I think Mastina needs to go because I don't know if all her claim is true and it probably has extra stuff to it she's not telling us. Do I think she needs to die Day 1? No. Does she need to die? Yes
In post 704, Bulbazak wrote:So what's the point? And don't say "So people can look back at my thoughts after I die.", because that's crap. You didn't give an opinion. You just threw shade and pretended it was significant.
VOTE: Enter
I've been waiting on Bingle to see if he had some meta on you. I finally just did a quick meta-dive myself to see if you were incredibly toxic as town or used open-ended neutral language. I didn't see any, and I also noticed a complete different way in how you approached your town games compared with how you've been approaching this one. And I'd much rather believe that you're just scum here trying to muddy the thread than a town player who decided to suddenly be an a-hole.
In post 724, xRECKONERx wrote:oh man i should've looked at this game before i blindly agreed to replace for ginngie
fuckin yikes dawg
=68]if it is any consolation, I have 2 post rttrcioiess and I would love to kill you out of teh game because you are claimed third party does not wni with town.
But I am more willing to give you a chance to reexplain than Mastina so]
In post 962, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]Pine def. is scum, but i just do not bvlieee you are telling the whole truth reck]
In post 970, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]make everyone but me masturbate, and when Reck does nto leave the game, lynch Pine.]
In post 965, Alisae wrote:i think its interesting that both lld and pine are anti-reck and lld is pushing pine for it
=13]this is a misrep. You are falsely claiming I ma <pushing pine for pushing reck> when I have been punihsg Pine since the moment I stepped in this game adn before he was anti-reck.
Trying to decide if yuo are scum pushing this narrative or if you are jsut super arrogant and will use any method to get waht you want despite not being half as good as yuo think you are.
All masturbate. Lvaee me as the only one to not masturbate. Fi reck leaves the game you know I am sucm. If reck does not leave the game, either rcek is lying in which case we can lynch reck ro reck is telling the truth in which case we cna lynch pine.
and if Pine refuses, we can lynch Pnie, because whether he is masturbating or dead doesnt matter fro this plan
In post 981, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]and for all that promised improvement that was meant ot come or something, I still see the same arrogance and blluisht.
Oh so you forgot all about angleshooting in that game?
a had a masonry of katsuki and greyICE
I expressed my feelings about you to GreyICE really early
he said
"Yeah thats because she's probably scum"
and then I lynched you day 1 for it.
=13]Oh so you wanna do some revisionist history?
Should i ask Pine to recount what happened?]
In post 985, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]and then you made both Grey and Kats quit teh game because of how toxic you were, and because fo how you angleshot me to force my lynch]
who when confronted with your bullshit, played pssoum, cried about it, pretended to be upset and broken dwon so I would feel bad and then struck back ta me.
and then had pine convince me you were tyrnig to be better
but then I come in here adn it is the same shit.]
In post 991, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]Yes congrats, in both those things I said the smae thing I am saying here.
You are still the smae whiny entitled brat who treats others without an ounce fo respect that you were in Alisae v. Pine, and ayn semblance of improvement I was meant to witness does nto exist.
My only concern was maybe you were scum os there might be a reason to put on an atc, but I think it is clear right now you aer just town and the same person I thought you weer in that game.]
In post 994, Alisae wrote:in this game
you decided that i am the same
when i just called you scum
thats it
I started a read on you
pedit: and how does that relate to this game again?
=13]it relates because you are a fucking narcissist.
the fcat you are sitting here right now pretending none of taht shit happened when HALF THE PEOPLE IN THIS GAME WREE ALSO IN THA TGAME AND CAN FUCKING REMIND YOU
si the height of either arrogance and self delusion or fo just not giving a fuck about other people
In post 995, Alisae wrote:like
im not interested in engaging with you
only reason why i decide to engage with you is because you described me as a "cheater" which doesn't make sense at all.
=13]you literally pre-game faked a guilty on me.
do yuo not remember this]
In post 998, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]you sat there crying about how you deserved to eb yelled at but in truth you did not give a shit.]
In post 1002, Alisae wrote:i'm pretending it didn't happen, because i want to move on.
it was a thing, it happened, i feel bad for it.
There is literally no reason to just dwell on it.
=13]Part of what you did there was apologize and tehn immediately renege on those promises.
And I come back A year later and you are still doing the same siht treating people the same way like]
In post 1027, Pine wrote:Further, if you continue to rehash that absolute clusterfuck, I will have no compunction about reporting the personal nature of your bickering and let the Listmods sort it out.
I am dead fucking serious.
Drop the AVP bitterness or I will choose the nuclear options with wild abandon.
=12]You cannot sit on a high horse and threaten em at the same time, Pine.
But that was kind fo always your MO. Tell me what to do, while aslo acting above it all, right?
But fine, you want ti you got it. I will drop it. It can eb just like old times yeah?
you tell me to eb the bigger person and swallow my pain and I od it because I respect you and then everyone pretends nhitong ever happened and I get to hold the bag.
i guess I was okay with that back then, I wlil be again now. I just wanted to remind you, scine you seem to be above it all, that you aer not innocent in all this either.
I am good now thouhg. =) Definitely. Absolutely not festering with baggage you let me hlod.
On the one hand I want her to have the sweet release of death. On the other hand she’s town and that’s bad. On the third hand she also has similar thoughts as me
=12]Here is the sweet truth about playing with me.
fI I am alive by day 3 or 4, people sttar to get worried. if I am still alive after taht, they start doing dumb things like trying to kill em.
Of course, if I were scum they would be daed before they got the chance to lynch me but
Taht was never gonna stop them. I wrote a whole arclite on how to play scum you see, I am nto allowed to live that long.
Be it today, be ti tomorrow, IDFC. Making we confirmed town forces scum to klil me or let me run the game, both are negavite EV for scum.]
=12]As stated earlier, I think MariaR. Ari is not tow townies, so Ari has good scum odds here.
I tnihk Pink Ball is probably scum. But honestly, that was A gut read and I have not reupped it in A while so let me get back to you.
Pine sllit strongest scum read.]
This is... not a great ISO, turkey. I agree that it starts strong, but it falls apart fast. All of LLD's controversial opinions happened before I was even in the game, and she's had very little to comment on since then.
The reads that she's had are Maria/Ari unaligned, Pine scum, PB scum. she's talked very little about anyone, and self admits that at least the PB read is stale. I'm still not sure the substance of the Pine read given that when that appeared they were largely doing the same thing. I'd love to hear more about the Maria/Ari angle, including a read on Maria independent of the read on Ari (she's given the Ari one).
Other than that, she's gotten into a fight with Ali bringing up a contender for the worst game I ran last year, given the obligatory "Cops on me!" spiel and brought up the expected LLD self meta of "I'm scary AF as both alignments so give me space to work and the scumteam will kill me eventually".
Granted, none of this is particularly scummy, but I'm not sure why any of it is deserving of a townread and I would definitely like to sample the vintage if you can walk me through the bouquet.
Dunn for town, Bulba for town bcuaese DUnn is never right if Dunn is right on Bblua I would need a complete rework on reads which si possible but who cares dunn is never right]
I think Mastina needs to go because I don't know if all her claim is true and it probably has extra stuff to it she's not telling us. Do I think she needs to die Day 1? No. Does she need to die? Yes
In post 704, Bulbazak wrote:So what's the point? And don't say "So people can look back at my thoughts after I die.", because that's crap. You didn't give an opinion. You just threw shade and pretended it was significant.
VOTE: Enter
I've been waiting on Bingle to see if he had some meta on you. I finally just did a quick meta-dive myself to see if you were incredibly toxic as town or used open-ended neutral language. I didn't see any, and I also noticed a complete different way in how you approached your town games compared with how you've been approaching this one. And I'd much rather believe that you're just scum here trying to muddy the thread than a town player who decided to suddenly be an a-hole.
In post 724, xRECKONERx wrote:oh man i should've looked at this game before i blindly agreed to replace for ginngie
fuckin yikes dawg
=68]if it is any consolation, I have 2 post rttrcioiess and I would love to kill you out of teh game because you are claimed third party does not wni with town.
But I am more willing to give you a chance to reexplain than Mastina so]
In post 962, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]Pine def. is scum, but i just do not bvlieee you are telling the whole truth reck]
In post 970, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]make everyone but me masturbate, and when Reck does nto leave the game, lynch Pine.]
In post 965, Alisae wrote:i think its interesting that both lld and pine are anti-reck and lld is pushing pine for it
=13]this is a misrep. You are falsely claiming I ma <pushing pine for pushing reck> when I have been punihsg Pine since the moment I stepped in this game adn before he was anti-reck.
Trying to decide if yuo are scum pushing this narrative or if you are jsut super arrogant and will use any method to get waht you want despite not being half as good as yuo think you are.
All masturbate. Lvaee me as the only one to not masturbate. Fi reck leaves the game you know I am sucm. If reck does not leave the game, either rcek is lying in which case we can lynch reck ro reck is telling the truth in which case we cna lynch pine.
and if Pine refuses, we can lynch Pnie, because whether he is masturbating or dead doesnt matter fro this plan
In post 981, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]and for all that promised improvement that was meant ot come or something, I still see the same arrogance and blluisht.
Oh so you forgot all about angleshooting in that game?
a had a masonry of katsuki and greyICE
I expressed my feelings about you to GreyICE really early
he said
"Yeah thats because she's probably scum"
and then I lynched you day 1 for it.
=13]Oh so you wanna do some revisionist history?
Should i ask Pine to recount what happened?]
In post 985, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]and then you made both Grey and Kats quit teh game because of how toxic you were, and because fo how you angleshot me to force my lynch]
who when confronted with your bullshit, played pssoum, cried about it, pretended to be upset and broken dwon so I would feel bad and then struck back ta me.
and then had pine convince me you were tyrnig to be better
but then I come in here adn it is the same shit.]
In post 991, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]Yes congrats, in both those things I said the smae thing I am saying here.
You are still the smae whiny entitled brat who treats others without an ounce fo respect that you were in Alisae v. Pine, and ayn semblance of improvement I was meant to witness does nto exist.
My only concern was maybe you were scum os there might be a reason to put on an atc, but I think it is clear right now you aer just town and the same person I thought you weer in that game.]
In post 994, Alisae wrote:in this game
you decided that i am the same
when i just called you scum
thats it
I started a read on you
pedit: and how does that relate to this game again?
=13]it relates because you are a fucking narcissist.
the fcat you are sitting here right now pretending none of taht shit happened when HALF THE PEOPLE IN THIS GAME WREE ALSO IN THA TGAME AND CAN FUCKING REMIND YOU
si the height of either arrogance and self delusion or fo just not giving a fuck about other people
In post 995, Alisae wrote:like
im not interested in engaging with you
only reason why i decide to engage with you is because you described me as a "cheater" which doesn't make sense at all.
=13]you literally pre-game faked a guilty on me.
do yuo not remember this]
In post 998, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:=13]you sat there crying about how you deserved to eb yelled at but in truth you did not give a shit.]
In post 1002, Alisae wrote:i'm pretending it didn't happen, because i want to move on.
it was a thing, it happened, i feel bad for it.
There is literally no reason to just dwell on it.
=13]Part of what you did there was apologize and tehn immediately renege on those promises.
And I come back A year later and you are still doing the same siht treating people the same way like]
In post 1027, Pine wrote:Further, if you continue to rehash that absolute clusterfuck, I will have no compunction about reporting the personal nature of your bickering and let the Listmods sort it out.
I am dead fucking serious.
Drop the AVP bitterness or I will choose the nuclear options with wild abandon.
=12]You cannot sit on a high horse and threaten em at the same time, Pine.
But that was kind fo always your MO. Tell me what to do, while aslo acting above it all, right?
But fine, you want ti you got it. I will drop it. It can eb just like old times yeah?
you tell me to eb the bigger person and swallow my pain and I od it because I respect you and then everyone pretends nhitong ever happened and I get to hold the bag.
i guess I was okay with that back then, I wlil be again now. I just wanted to remind you, scine you seem to be above it all, that you aer not innocent in all this either.
I am good now thouhg. =) Definitely. Absolutely not festering with baggage you let me hlod.
On the one hand I want her to have the sweet release of death. On the other hand she’s town and that’s bad. On the third hand she also has similar thoughts as me
=12]Here is the sweet truth about playing with me.
fI I am alive by day 3 or 4, people sttar to get worried. if I am still alive after taht, they start doing dumb things like trying to kill em.
Of course, if I were scum they would be daed before they got the chance to lynch me but
Taht was never gonna stop them. I wrote a whole arclite on how to play scum you see, I am nto allowed to live that long.
Be it today, be ti tomorrow, IDFC. Making we confirmed town forces scum to klil me or let me run the game, both are negavite EV for scum.]
=12]As stated earlier, I think MariaR. Ari is not tow townies, so Ari has good scum odds here.
I tnihk Pink Ball is probably scum. But honestly, that was A gut read and I have not reupped it in A while so let me get back to you.
Pine sllit strongest scum read.]
This is... not a great ISO, turkey. I agree that it starts strong, but it falls apart fast. All of LLD's controversial opinions happened before I was even in the game, and she's had very little to comment on since then.
The reads that she's had are Maria/Ari unaligned, Pine scum, PB scum. she's talked very little about anyone, and self admits that at least the PB read is stale. I'm still not sure the substance of the Pine read given that when that appeared they were largely doing the same thing. I'd love to hear more about the Maria/Ari angle, including a read on Maria independent of the read on Ari (she's given the Ari one).
Other than that, she's gotten into a fight with Ali bringing up a contender for the worst game I ran last year, given the obligatory "Cops on me!" spiel and brought up the expected LLD self meta of "I'm scary AF as both alignments so give me space to work and the scumteam will kill me eventually".
Granted, none of this is particularly scummy, but I'm not sure why any of it is deserving of a townread and I would definitely like to sample the vintage if you can walk me through the bouquet.
Can you tell me what exactly makes my ISO bad?
Your commentary here is mostly <she has not said much>, but my opinions are the same as they were coming in.
So I do not know what you are looking for here exactly, why should my opinions need to change drastically, for me to be town?
Further, if you are looking for some kind of aggressive push, here is a thought experiment
I have a pr where my words get scrambled, and a PR where my text goes to miniscule size.
what do you want me to do, brow beat people into voting pine when half the game wont read my posts?
So, my question to you is this
Rather than what my ISO is apparently missing, what exactly is scummy in this ISO?
I know you said <it is not scummy> at the end but if you do not find it scummy, your opening words tonally are a mismatch.
My concern is this is agenda posting, as opposed to something honest. Because I do not see the goal of discrediting a town read without pushing them at this point in the day, rather than striking at a scum read... unless the goal is to weaken town bonds.
So tell me your motivations, and what you find scummy about my lack of specific reasons given.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
