Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Trojan Horses]

I've been here trying to solve the whole game

I have been explaining out and engaging with my accusers in an attempt to get them to not mislynch me

but it's not going well

Auro continues to waffle on me (6731) which feels like proving

my theory he is developing me for a mislynch later.

I am still willing to self-lynch if we come to an agreement on that. I think my lynch would be extremely informative.

Ftr I'm not a universal SR (I know at least Eve, TH, farside, Molla don't SR me)

You keep calling me scum for defending your scummy butt, saying I am saving you for a mislynch later, you also say your lynch is "extremely informative" and we should come to an agreement on that...

Auro thinks SirCakez is town: "Oh, he's just setting me up as the LyLo lynch!"
Auro thinks SirCakez is town but is not very sure right now: "Yeah, proves that he's setting me up!"
Auro thinks SirCakez is scum: "Yeah of course, he has to push mislynches"
Auro wants more time to solve: "That irks me!"



-Stuxnet

[BBmolla]

busy today, back tomorrow

[Jingle]

Vote Count #4.2
Halloween	Christmas
With 5 Alive, it is 3 to lynch or No Lynch! Baezu (0): Eve (0): Yshtola Rule (0): SirCakez (0): Trojan Horses (0): Not Voting (5): Yshtola Rule, SirCakez, Trojan Horses, Baezu, Eve	With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! churros(2): BBMolla, Nero Cain, Nero Cain (1): Not_Mafia, farside22 (1): Wonderwalll, BBMolla (1): farside22, Not_Mafia (1): Churros, Wonderwalll (0): Gobbledegook (0): NSG (0): Not Voting (2): NSG, Gobbledegook, ,

[Jingle]

Prodding Not_Mafia.

[Trojan Horses]

Vote Count #4.2
Halloween	Christmas
With 5 Alive, it is 3 to lynch or No Lynch! Baezu (0): Eve (0): Yshtola Rule (0): SirCakez (0): Trojan Horses (0): Not Voting (5): Yshtola Rule, SirCakez, Trojan Horses, Baezu, Eve	With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! churros(2): BBMolla, Nero Cain, Nero Cain (1): Not_Mafia, farside22 (1): Wonderwalll, BBMolla (1): farside22, Not_Mafia (1): Churros, Wonderwalll (0): Gobbledegook (0): NSG (0): Not Voting (2): NSG, Gobbledegook, ,

This is WHY it’s smart to lynch in Xmas first. I also think Eve > Cakez but no one is bothering reading Eve, even when the game Gamma posted, showed that she isn’t playing to her typical town meta here but oh yeah, according to Eve, that’s apparently agenda driven and scummy.

[Trojan Horses]

Why tf does Churros have 2 votes? He clearly isn’t a Gamma buddy, plus this is 100% bleeding obvtown Mastina.

[farside22]

Spoiler:

How is that inaccurate?

She hasn't twisted the game. She is trying to figure players out. She is pushing her reads and she is stubborn.
How is she twisting her reads? Are you saying players cant change reads or shouldn't look at who could be scum together.
Please enlighten me.

Her interactions with me, knowing I am town, are manipulative and show little interest in actually thinking out my motivations. I've talked about this in my ISO and I don't want to get back into it because it just starts up a shitstorm with me getting frustrated.
But I know town are like that sometimes (for example, Gorkington).

Churrostina is town. Mastina doesn’t AtE like that as scum.

I feel this is wrong? Mastina always throws out tons of AtE regardless of alignment. I know you're deadset on mastina!town for whatever reason.

iirc you get really scummy in late game when you're scum

Oh yeah, definitely. Like, I can get more scummy later in the game as town if I have a massive mental health dive, massive physical dive in availabilty, am around less, am motivated less, etc., but like. Almost every single game I get more and more obviously town as town the later the game goes and more and more obviously scum as scum the later the game goes.

Is anyone seriously still sr this slot?

This is NAI.

Baezu is my strongest SR in Halloween still. Again and again they show up, make some useless posts and leave. They are totally flying under the radar.
Lie Ren is a scumlean for reasons everyone has talked about.
Vecna was a scumlean but I'm starting to feel I was wrong there.
GIF slot I have no idea could go either way. Berna was scummy.

In Christmas Elmo remains a decent SR for obvious reasons.
WW is a scumlean, not as strong as it was but also their lack of consistent thread engagement is a bad sign.
N_M who the hell knows

I don't even want to talk about Churros/mastina slot. It has to die at some point as stated by Churros themself.

Why does Churros/Mastina slot need to die at some point? Don’t you read him saying that as town indicative?

Not following through on a stated necessity to self-lynch before LyLo is incredibly scummy. It means the initial statement was just fishing for towncred. I take back the initial townvibe I got from that post.

Nero v Farside reads TvS. With Nero town and farside scum.
TH's desire to wait on NSG's reads continues to irk me. Auro continues to waffle on me (6731) which feels like proving my theory he is developing me for a mislynch later.
Molla has mindmelded with me all game and I continue to believe he is town.
I don't mind the N_M lynch though.
ftr I am still willing to self-lynch if we come to an agreement on that. I think my lynch would be extremely informative.
Don't mind a mass claim

Why is FS scum? Do you really think scum offers to be lynched if their preferred sr - in this case I’m assuming molla - flips town?

Churros/Mastina is never scum here. Gamma/Mastina interactions are blatantly anti-partnery. Gamma clearly tr the slot, while simultaneously discrediting it non-stop.

We are not sure who is scum in Halloween and we don’t want to mislynch. However, I think NM has a much better than rand chance of flipping scum.

I can't see BB scum being fine lynch a scum buddy.
He said before he was fine lynching either NM or Nero and voted both of them. Scum would lose if there buddy was lynched so I don't believe either are BB's scum buddy.

Vote Count #4.2
Halloween	Christmas
With 5 Alive, it is 3 to lynch or No Lynch! Baezu (0): Eve (0): Yshtola Rule (0): SirCakez (0): Trojan Horses (0): Not Voting (5): Yshtola Rule, SirCakez, Trojan Horses, Baezu, Eve	With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! churros(2): BBMolla, Nero Cain, Nero Cain (1): Not_Mafia, farside22 (1): Wonderwalll, BBMolla (1): farside22, Not_Mafia (1): Churros, Wonderwalll (0): Gobbledegook (0): NSG (0): Not Voting (2): NSG, Gobbledegook, ,

This is WHY it’s smart to lynch in Xmas first. I also think Eve > Cakez but no one is bothering reading Eve, even when the game Gamma posted, showed that she isn’t playing to her typical town meta here but oh yeah, according to Eve, that’s apparently agenda driven and scummy.

I would really love to see a SC lynch since I think he is scum on that side.

[Trojan Horses]

Good point about molla but what I don’t really understand is why is Eve being so tr? Since she replaced in, she has pretty much done nothing except coast on the apparent towncred that everyone seems inclined to grant what to me looked like an NIA slot. I asked her for a detailed, ordered readslist - pretty much anything and her default response to to ignore my requests for reads and solving and just omgus us. I really don’t understand why that is getting tr. And it wouldn’t be relevant but I know for a fact that she is usually one the the solviest players in any game. She is playing very different here than she was in Autobattler as well as the game Gamma linked. Her response to my pointing that out was to accuse us of having some “agenda”. So, I’m thoroughly baffled by this.

[farside22]

I think its based on rc then eves play

[Nero Cain]

I mean it's very likely that it's just 1 of SC or Baezu. Only kinda prob is if its gets mafia closer to their wincon. Other than the "it's easier to solve" argument, whats the point in lynching in Halloween before xmas?

[Nero Cain]

Could see myself being wrong on WW and it just being NM and 1 of NSG/Gobble.

[Nero Cain]

Nancy, if you think Eve is scum then what do you think of Gobble trying to like...say Eve is a mason?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Trojan Horses]

Nancy, if you think Eve is scum then what do you think of Gobble trying to like...say Eve is a mason?

Don't think we should discuss this at the moment?

Why do you think Eve is town? Why do you think Baezu could be scum?

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

99% Eve is what I'm lynching today. If Yshtola Rhul or NSG don't want an Eve lynch, I'll concede. Nancy is now convinced on Eve scum as well.

-Stuxnet

[Nero Cain]

Don't think we should discuss this at the moment?

is this a question or a statement that you accidentally put a question mark at the end? If Eve is on the chopping bloc then I don't see why it SHOULDN'T be discussed. I just think it's very weird that that Gobble is hunting for the other mason/trying to goad Eve into claiming mason.

Why do you think Eve is town? Why do you think Baezu could be scum?

just gut. I mean, I had felt like a scum Eve doesn't bus Li Ren the second there's 1 vote on him and I felt like Baezu's naked vote is p scummy. There's also a good amount of Baezu agreeing with ppl and having a fair amount of town reads. One of Baezu's recent posts didn't sit well with me (ISO me for that) and she's kinda just lurking.

[Trojan Horses]

just gut. I mean, I had felt like a scum Eve doesn't bus Li Ren the second there's 1 vote on him and I felt like Baezu's naked vote is p scummy. There's also a good amount of Baezu agreeing with ppl and having a fair amount of town reads. One of Baezu's recent posts didn't sit well with me (ISO me for that) and she's kinda just lurking.

Baezu's naked vote on

a partner

is far less scummy than Eve's vote.
I think Eve as scum could do exactly that.

If you're only gut-townreading her, I don't think that's reliable.

Many of Eve's posts are meh. Her Titus hammer sucked.

Baezu agreeing and townreading a lot of people is good.

Eve was the first vote on Lie Ren. Baezu was the second

. You're saying Baezu can totally bus Lie Ren the second there's 1 vote on him, but Eve wouldn't? And Eve's vote was basically a naked vote as well.

Vote Count #2.3
Halloween	Christmas
A Hammer has been achieved! Lie Ren (5): Eve, Baezu, Shuichi Saihara, Vecna, SirCakez, Baezu (1): Lie Ren, Eve (1): Trojan Horses Vecna (0): Shuichi Saihara (0): SirCakez (0): Trojan Horses (0): We are not helping (0): GuyInFreezer (0): Not Voting (2): GuyInFreezer, We are not helping,	With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! mastina (1): BBMolla, Wonderwalll (1): farside farside (1): Wonderwalll, Gobbledegook (0): Not_Mafia (0): NSG (0): BBMolla (0): Elmo teh AzN (0): Not Voting (8): Gobbledegook, mastina, Not_Mafia, NSG, Elmo teh AzN,

That's pretty surface reasoning coming from you, Nero.

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

I had felt like a scum Eve doesn't bus Li Ren the second there's 1 vote on him

Eve was the first vote on Lie Ren. Baezu was the second.

Given this, I believe you should now be reversing your reads on Eve and Baezu to some extent. Right?

-Stuxnet

[gobbledygook]

ve was the first vote on Lie Ren. Baezu was the second.

These are objectively not true.

Also, I think Eve is the mason.

[Nero Cain]

the EOD VC doesn't tell the true story.

Vote Count #2.2
Halloween	Christmas
With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! Lie Ren (3): We are not helping, Eve, Baezu, Baezu (1): Lie Ren, Vecna (1): Shuichi Saihara, Shuichi Saihara (1): Trojan Horses SirCakez (0): Eve (0): Trojan Horses (0): We are not helping (0): GuyInFreezer (0): Not Voting (3): GuyInFreezer, Vecna, SirCakez,	With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! mastina (1): BBMolla, Wonderwalll (1): farside farside (1): Wonderwalll, Gobbledegook (0): Not_Mafia (0): NSG (0): BBMolla (0): Elmo teh AzN (0): Not Voting (8): Gobbledegook, mastina, Not_Mafia, NSG, Elmo teh AzN,

VOTE: Auro

Auro is not a player in your game and thus this vote is treated as an unvote.

As this VC shows WANH was first, Eve was second and Baezu was 3rd. The reason EOD shows Eve first and Baezu 2nd is b/c WANH unvoted. Basically we are debating whether Eves 2nd vote or Baezu's 3rd vote is the scummist.

[Trojan Horses]

As this VC shows WANH was first, Eve was second and Baezu was 3rd. The reason EOD shows Eve first and Baezu 2nd is b/c WANH unvoted. Basically we are debating whether Eves 2nd vote or Baezu's 3rd vote is the scummist.

Doesn't matter: if you think scum doesn't "just bus" when someone voted their partner, that logic should equally apply to Baezu.

Or you should have good reason for why only Eve wouldn't do that, but Baezu would.

Pretty sure Masons should be cross-game. Why do you think she's a Mason, Gobble?

If she's Mason she can just claim, game will be in auto.

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

I have one more question for you: do you think scum necessarily have cross-game PTs? Do you think it's possible that they do not?

-Stuxnet

[Nero Cain]

the only other thought about the lie ren wagon is that Cakez did suggest to consolidating on lie ren but waits to vote till hammer. IG you could interpret that as scummy and being hesitant to vote his buddy but couldn't it also just be interpreted as town doing the townie thing in waiting on him to catchup?

[Trojan Horses]

the only other thought about the lie ren wagon is that Cakez did suggest to consolidating on lie ren but waits to vote till hammer. IG you could interpret that as scummy and being hesitant to vote his buddy but couldn't it also just be interpreted as town doing the townie thing in waiting on him to catchup?

That is how I interpret it. I believe Cakez is town.

-Stuxnet

[gobbledygook]

If she's Mason she can just claim, game will be in auto.

You’ve been saying this for days but it isn’t lol

The way WANH townread RC makes me think they are masons. It came earlier than the other townreads plus WANH said RC was 99.99% town and they only said that about RC despite having strong townreads elsewhere