mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RCEnigma]

FB brought us all together.

Everybody scumread him VOTE: FB

[RCEnigma]

FB brought us all together.

Everybody scumread him VOTE: FB

What if that was my plan all along!!!!!!

What if my plan was for you to have that plan?

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Clidd 5 scum now.

[RCEnigma]

Alchemist I think ur rushing into this game a bit fast for u

What up?

R u gonna be town with me or town against me?!?!

Town with you.

Krazy's game that just ended showed what happens when Town stays quiet and scum controls everything and since I'm usually one of the quiet ones I need to step up more.

Hmmhmmm feels strange to townread me this early. Kind of suspicious if u ask me

I've played with you enough times to think you're Town here. I'll also be heartbroken if you're scum and we can't get our old trend of being the same alignment back again.

What do you think is town indicative out of FB?

[RCEnigma]

Isee votes, I vote.

[RCEnigma]

clidd is actually town

RCE, why did you choose to vote clidd when you did?

VOTE: RCE

Not ironically, to see who unvotes first. I think it's interesting that you're both the first unvote and subsequently pushing me for my vote.

VOTE: Dann

[RCEnigma]

FB is always something I can fall back to and supplement a read with meta and I've never played with Clidd. The opportunity for reaction testing presented itself and I took it based on the wagon and not necessarily Clidd themselves.

I didn't mind his reaction to my vote but it's nai.

I think Clidd probably is town, and scum is more likely to be spooked off a town wagon than town would.

[RCEnigma]

YOU CAN META FIREBRINGER? TEACH ME YOUR WAYS

Don't take that literal. I just have more experience over no experience with Clidd lol.

[RCEnigma]

I think Clidd probably is town, and scum is more likely to be spooked off a town wagon than town would.

I sort of agree with this

but I'm curious why you find me *attacking* the votes on the wagon scum indicative, or interesting, as you put it

because that would indicate to me that you have a partner read

I don't have a partner read lol I just think you were the scum spooked off the wagon and voting me was to get ahead of that.

I'll say you weren't the slot I was expecting to jump.

[RCEnigma]

All my reads are bad reads since I suck at mafia

Relatable.

[RCEnigma]

I have a bad habit of treating posts that make me laugh as town posts. I'm RCE, this is my story...

[RCEnigma]

I miss Vedith...

[RCEnigma]

Spoiler: no but

you're right fb I cannot but wear the shoe here, but my historical playstyle has been due to my inability to stay attentive. This is only the second game I'm playing since that issue has been sorted out. You do not need to get me but hopefully a distinction becomes apparent

I read distinction as distraction and feel like that would have been a truer statement.

[RCEnigma]

Truer? More true? More truer? One of those.

[RCEnigma]

For Vedith...

*Proceeds to chug entire glass of overpoured alcohol in a cocktail*

That's comedy

[RCEnigma]

Alright, let’s do something. I feel scum aren’t in a hurry to get this game going at all.

@RCEnigma - What’s stood out to you the most?

You’re allowed to say “When Comical questioned RCEnigma about what’s stood out the most.”

Dannflor's vote jump at wagon peak.

Or nobody questioning that Fire is open scumming, intentional or otherwise.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think the Clidd vs comical stuff is all that interesting and Clidd is in this weird space where I'm reading the reactions around his wagon and not him per say.

Pine being caught up between the two is... Ok. He could be scum but he has precedent for town lurking that makes it unlikely he's today's lynch.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think you're pretty sure. But it also doesn't matter.

[RCEnigma]

LAL.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not confident on any of these but I have

Probably town
Alchemist
Clidd

Tentative town
Auro* depending on why he townleaned me. I acknowledge it could be a weak pocket. But I suspect he's working off an nai tell. I think.

Everybody else

Bad hombres
Dann and fire

[RCEnigma]

I know how it feels. I've been that guy.

[RCEnigma]

Dann being spooked is like my biggest reason for Clidd being town. Clidd being as abrasive as he was early makes an easy wagon to jump onto but it's low value to stick to as it's not a priority nk, cuts later mislynch opportunities, and yes scum can get a mislynch there but then they're stuck on a wagon that didn't have much going for it in terms of motive or motivation and nothing to show for it but some wagon Poe.

I expected scum to get out of Dodge when I threw my vote down and Dann did the dash.

Fire is just like tonal meta and I'm comparing him to jazz mafia. I usually scumread his early game though and I'm not confident I can articulate why he's scum here so I'm not pushing it aorn.

[RCEnigma]

I wonder if comical is Nancy drew

Too many slots ahead of them in post count.

[RCEnigma]

Go through FB's iso

Specifically the early game which is content less from a gameplay standpoint. But he was partners with Krazy here and the early interactions remind a lot of his interactions here.

If I were making a direct 1 to 1 comparison Auro would be the scum theatre partner here.

I bought into the carelessness and general disregard for how he's read as pretty townie and wouldn't have switched that read if he hadn't repped out. Probably.

[RCEnigma]

So if I was confident on FB as scum I'd have auro down in the bad hombre pile. But I'm not, so he's not.

[RCEnigma]

That's.....true.

[RCEnigma]

Hope pine flips scum cuz damn that's an ugly wagon.

Yeehaw.

[RCEnigma]

Pine, quick, what was the most important thing you gleaned from the last 20 pages

Nah.

You lynch me in absentia, you don't get to beg me to read 20 pages of trash that culminate in a lolmislynch.

This is *exactly* what is driving people away from Mafia games.

A pox on both your houses. I hope you're happy.

Bandit bro...

Bandit bro! Do me a favor, and eviscerate this wagon. Traditional positions on the wagon are probably predatory. Comical and Auro look the most suspicious, but don't give Dann the benefit of the doubt.

Done and done.

[RCEnigma]

I think listening to pine voters until that wagon is better resolved is a bad idea.

So this 1v1 isn't important imo.

[RCEnigma]

Vote people off the island.

In some order of Dann, comical, auro.

[RCEnigma]

You're really going to go for "this is a scum-driven wagon" etc logic for the Pine wagon?

Mathematically there is scum on the wagon. Outside of that I can't make assumptions. Could be two, could be three. Who knows.

[RCEnigma]

Vote people off the island.

In some order of Dann, comical, auro.

why is the one person who is most responsible suspiciously off the list

I still don't have Eddie cane related opinions. Someone else will have to figure it out.

[RCEnigma]

Specifically what?

I don't know how exactly he figures out who's scum, but once he has a suspect he says so and then aggressively pursues that lynch. Nobody can really steer him away from the wagon which cuts out the chance for scum interference.

There's an old article on the wiki by Albert B. Rampage discussing a similar thing, about focusing on scum and getting them lynched.

Can corroborate I've read this article.

[RCEnigma]

Penguin that's another pagetop. Quit slacking.

I'm considered "essential" so I'm still at work...cut me some slack.

Same boat. Stay safe out there.

[RCEnigma]

RCE is likely scum.

Even if so, trying to dismantle my 1v1 with Alch implies he's likely partners with him.

Can't be. Also, I don't care about your 1v1. You can continue it by all means but it doesn't matter to me either way.

[RCEnigma]

Vote people off the island.

In some order of Dann, comical, auro.

why is the one person who is most responsible suspiciously off the list

I still don't have Eddie cane related opinions. Someone else will have to figure it out.

I mean then it sounds like Pine wagon isn't really the deciding factor of why you picked your pool, your just using it as a vehicle to push your pool? whats the real reason here

It was a shit flash wagon. I'm not going to hold Eddie more accountable than the sheep.

[RCEnigma]

errantparabola is the only person able to kill. she has not yet done so

Spoiler:

vote count 1.3

Dannflor (5):

RCEnigma, Auro, Firebringer, Eddie Cane, Luna Fox

Comical (2):

clidd, Dannflor

Pine (1):

Alchemist21

clidd (1):

Pine

not voting (4):

OkaPoka, Zulfy, PenguinPower, Comical

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1ends march 31st at 12:50 central US time; in (expired on 2020-03-31 11:50:00)

mod notes

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errantparabola has three parents

Spoiler:

d1 final vc

Pine (7):

Alchemist21, Firebringer, OkaPoka, Dannflor, Auro, Comical, Eddie Cane

clidd (2):

Pine, PenguinPower

Dannflor (1):

RCEnigma

PenguinPower (1):

Luna Fox

not voting (2):

Zulfy, clidd

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

For the whole pine wagon to be town. Fmpov. There would be 3 scum in PP, Luna, Zulfy, Clidd.

That would also mean scum had 0 presence on the Dann wagon and prioritized pine over a Dann lynch.

Well why prioritize a lurker lynch? Possible late game accuracy sure. But .ore likely to pocket someone advocating the wagon. I'd say FB or someone but FB died

[RCEnigma]

Vote people off the island.

In some order of Dann, comical, auro.

why is the one person who is most responsible suspiciously off the list

I still don't have Eddie cane related opinions. Someone else will have to figure it out.

I mean then it sounds like Pine wagon isn't really the deciding factor of why you picked your pool, your just using it as a vehicle to push your pool? whats the real reason here

It was a shit flash wagon. I'm not going to hold Eddie more accountable than the sheep.

Do you hold Comical more accountable for it? Or is there another reason you have Comical in your pool?

It was mostly how vocal comical was about pine being scum and specifically with Clidd but not taking action until the flash wagon.

Could be town excited their scumread is getting pressure but I can also see scum motivation there as opposed to off wagon hunting slots with no take on pine one way or the other.

[RCEnigma]

stop implying that the people who voted pine had the intent to lynch pine

Well, he's lynched.
If you don't want them lynched don't vote them.

[RCEnigma]

Then you intended to Lynch him.

[RCEnigma]

Am I on a different planet right now?

[RCEnigma]

Oh, no I do 0 alt hunting now.

[RCEnigma]

I intended to threaten to lynch him, but loading a gun doesn't mean I want to fire it like I really really doubt you don't understand the concept of pressure wagons and pressure votes

Poor analogy, you aren't helping yourself.

[RCEnigma]

That kills people Carl.

[RCEnigma]

When did I argue scum is or is not on the wagon. lol wtf

...

Then why are you taking so much issue with RCE's line of logic?

RCengimas argument is that the pine voters simply just wanted pine dead before he got to play therefore scum has to be on the wagon

except it was a lolhammer by Eddie and RCEngima decides that the blame for the pine flashwagon can be equally dispersed when it obviously can't be, it was a lolhammer so there wasn't even time for the wagoners to react by unvoting

Your pinning everything on the hammer and nothing on the people that made the hammer possibly cause "oops" we didn't mean to kill him, it just happened on its own.

[RCEnigma]

The way he’s focusing on what “should have scum” is evident of knowing where scum actually is, and using it as a solid push for scum to make to get a mislynch on top of not seeming incorrect still.

He's right so Lynch him. Lol

[RCEnigma]

Imagine starting the day being wagoned. Then imagine your wagon is almost half the wagon that just flipped town. Then imagine the reason you're the wagon is because you made the accusation scum was on that wagon and hunting there is the best case scenario.

[RCEnigma]

RCE is faking not knowing

I've been thinking this too but idk what purpose that would really serve. It could just be genuine laziness.

This. I literally just don't care.

[RCEnigma]

Is it FL? If it is, that's scum.

[RCEnigma]

Rce where is eddie in ur pool

Probably next in line after Dann/comical/auto

He's null plus a lol hammer, I just have tangible/weak/stronger reasons to scumread the other 3.

[RCEnigma]

Is it FL? If it is, that's scum.

Err it could be Fogport FL but that's still a weird stance to take because I haven't been angling to set up a role here.

[RCEnigma]

Is it FL? If it is, that's scum.

Spicy take. Can you elaborate?

Pls confirm before I make an ass of myself.

[RCEnigma]

I’d prefer some individual scum reads than sweeping statements about the D1 wagon.

RCE, your analysis thus far has come entirely with wagon analysis being your crutch. Which is like, fine if you’re using that to form reads, but I want more. And it’s hard for me to take it as too damning when I know I’m town and I don’t generally think a wagon on lurking town is more likely to be scum motivated than not. In fact, you made this same point with clidd earlier in the game, where you said scum would be more averse to easy mislynches. Yet, now, with the easiest mislynch in the world, it’s supposed to be a scum *driven* wagon?

I’m just curious if you have reads independent of all that.

I haven't said it was scum driven. I said there was scum on the wagon. Purely by the numbers. I fully believe the wagon was scum advantaged not scum driven. I give the cr sit to FB for starting the wagon up and he's the first nk so.

[RCEnigma]

Alchemist light town. Clidd town. That's all I've got.

PP is making it hard to get a read on him. Luna/zulfy are low activity but if I can find a townie in at least 1 of those three slots the game gets easier.

[RCEnigma]

If comical outs I'll elaborate but there is heavy involvement in your part because I could also see an anime upick situation.

[RCEnigma]

The issue with rce is that his wagon analysis most clearly should lead to eddie but he isnt going that route which makes me feel like he has other reasons to have his pool be his pool that isnt 'they voted pine'

You trying to absolve yourself of any blame doesn't make me scumread Eddie any more. I recognize he lol hammered and outside of that I don't lean either way. He lurked and he hammered pine that's it.

You haven't t even given an argument as to why he would do that as scum.

[RCEnigma]

He's gambiting or scumclaiming. I went nowhere last night.

[RCEnigma]

FL you get until this next post to rescind or it's a scumclaim and you can't change my mind.

[RCEnigma]

He's gambiting or scumclaiming. I went nowhere last night.

Claim.

I'm an even night role.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not fullclaiming. You Lynch me or you Lynch comical.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: comical

Clidd is back on the table as a possible partner with pine being the scapegoat mid theatre.

[RCEnigma]

Err I guess that does depend a lot on Danns alignment.

[RCEnigma]

For the sake, I will not be full claiming, and we don’t have to lynch RCE today, as long as it’s ingrained in your head I have a guilty on RCE because neither of us last this game that means.

Don’t lynch me today, and scum either have to kill me tonight, or you guys can lynch me a bit later for surety on my night actions.

Sound good?

Actually, we specifically don’t have to kill either of us.

Nope, we kill one. We are t doing anything else.

[RCEnigma]

So what was I doing again.
Oh yeah
VOTE: Penguin

Aren't you interested in what's going on between RCE and Comical?

Not right at this point, unless Comical says that whatever RCE is saying is 100% Lie based on role info.

He says I took an action last night but I'm an even night role.

[RCEnigma]

You said you tracked me.

[RCEnigma]

I targeted RCE because I wanted to get someone I could trust to follow if town.

Nvm I took follow as town as followed me to town.

[RCEnigma]

Anyway. Lynch comical tomorrow. Look at the pine wagon. Look at my wagon. Look at the Dann wagon. Dass all.

[RCEnigma]

Don’t get me wrong, I’ll lynch RCEnigma. But I don’t think we have to have to today.

Dannflorr has town equity because of that and EC/RCE setting gamestate up against them both casually.

This is 100% a scum!FL move to hold a 1v1 without actually needing to have the 1v1.

Prove your guilty.

[RCEnigma]

If you’re going to try and 1v1 me, we need to be incredibly concrete.

Claim RCE. If you’re somehow town in this, just claim.

I won't. If you were town here you wouldn't hardclaim a guilty without being sure.

You're scum here.

[RCEnigma]

I'm implying you're scum.

[RCEnigma]

If you’re going to try and 1v1 me, we need to be incredibly concrete.

Claim RCE. If you’re somehow town in this, just claim.

I won't. If you were town here you wouldn't hardclaim a guilty without being sure.

You're scum here.

Do you really believe this to be true regardless of who Comical is?

Depends. If it was someone that wasn't familiar with soft guiltys and psuedo investigatives I could give leeway to a misinterpretation.

I don't have a role that false positives afaik. A vanilla or neapolitan wouldn't be enough to hardclaim a guilty on.

[RCEnigma]

Lol I'm an even night gunsmith

[RCEnigma]

Lynch in me/comical today as direct CCs.

[RCEnigma]

At least the game is fun.

[RCEnigma]

Lynch in me/comical today as direct CCs.

Why does your mind instantly go to that? That’s scum indicative. I was about to say leave us both alive, get another result from both of us, then can kill in us.

Double town gunsmith IS possible.

Scum you would and has done the same thing.

[RCEnigma]

The fact RCE says his role isn’t false positive is something.

@RCE - We were the same role in Detective Penguin as town, why does your mind immediately go to that?

I clearly saw that you had a Gun. In what world does scum see that and push it as a guilty?

Fogport was built around hoods having similar roles.

[RCEnigma]

Oh. I guess other gunsmiths do show up positive.

[RCEnigma]

This game is going to break my sanity and I blame FB.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm. So scum!Comical would have to be a rolecop or a gunsmith to know RCE's role. It is a strange push because he would assume RCE is a vig if he's gunsmith, which just gets him shot. I'd imagine he's a better night kill n2 with GS results. Rolecop with another fake gunsmith gambit, maybe.

I'm actually inclined to believe FL is t a rolecop here. He'd see I'm even night and propose me for the nk before I get a result. Idk if scum gunsmith is a thing but I could see scum viewing a possible vig as a threat and claiming a guilty there.

[RCEnigma]

OH FUCK THERE ARE NO COPS

Wait did you think EC was serious about claiming Cop when there's a mod post saying there's no cops.
AND WAIT ARE YOU COUNTERCLAIMING
ASDADSADASDSADAS

I dont even know what's going on anymore
VOTE: Penguin
This looks like a circus at this point.

Ima start calling you Titus.

Luna logic Titus works.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm. So scum!Comical would have to be a rolecop or a gunsmith to know RCE's role. It is a strange push because he would assume RCE is a vig if he's gunsmith, which just gets him shot. I'd imagine he's a better night kill n2 with GS results. Rolecop with another fake gunsmith gambit, maybe.

I'm actually inclined to believe FL is t a rolecop here. He'd see I'm even night and propose me for the nk before I get a result. Idk if scum gunsmith is a thing but I could see scum viewing a possible vig as a threat and claiming a guilty there.

Isn't a rolecop* my phone hates contractions atm.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm. So scum!Comical would have to be a rolecop or a gunsmith to know RCE's role. It is a strange push because he would assume RCE is a vig if he's gunsmith, which just gets him shot. I'd imagine he's a better night kill n2 with GS results. Rolecop with another fake gunsmith gambit, maybe.

I'm actually inclined to believe FL is t a rolecop here. He'd see I'm even night and propose me for the nk before I get a result. Idk if scum gunsmith is a thing but I could see scum viewing a possible vig as a threat and claiming a guilty there.

But why do I claim the guilty over another one of the partners who could get away with more than that.

I specifically full outed this day phase too for it, which lowers credibility on claim.

Would depend on the scumteam but in general counterclaims should be pulled by players that can potentially win the 1v1. That's you.

[RCEnigma]

I am a...godfather

[RCEnigma]

Ma! Get the camera! I'm getting good at mafia!

[RCEnigma]

Hectic couple of days. Around a bit now so I'll catch up.

[RCEnigma]

Also, I think having Comical as the townier of the gunsmiths is absurd. Especially with him being your top town and RCE being a scum lean.

I think it's pretty clear I have experience with Comical. In fact, I've recently (correctly) lock-towned Comical as town almost immediately after repping in midway.
It's absurd that you haven't accounted for this possibility, let alone recognize that I have meta.
And interesting you didn't prod me further on reasons I'm townreading Comical.

BTW, I reviewed RCE a couple hours ago and bumped him up to above null.

AURO DO YOU PROMISE WE CAN RESOLVE THIS IF YOU PROMISE YOU ARE NOT DOCTOR

I promise - now what?

Well what was the pre-review reason for your scumread and what changed that you now aren't able to sort me outside of my claim?

[RCEnigma]

I misread cult!RCE as town just recently in a game where I was trying to lynch cult.

While true. My 3rd party play is leaps and bounds better than my scum play. Compare like, OK2 to any game I've rolled scum. FL can confirm.

[RCEnigma]

RCE, is it within your scumrange to pretend to forget that gunsmith has a gun?

It would be dishonest to say yes. It's a mechanics thing and I wouldn't have that info as either alignment. I've never rolled GS before.

[RCEnigma]

It's scummy but I'm not going to make up a read when I don't have one.

And yes, I imagine Alchemist backing off as I explained, I don't imagine him unvoting right at that timing.

If he wasn't backing off, he'd have to answer my questions.
He'd have to make up other reasons to scumread me.
Sure one alternative is to lurk, but I don't see that as more likely than just cutting engagement then by unvoting.

I also don't know that you have enough clout behind you this game for your hard push to be super threatening.

Current clout ≠ Potential clout

For the most part Alchemist has been on the winning end of the push/response between you two.

I doubt scum gives that up arbitrarily.

[RCEnigma]

It would be dishonest to say yes. It's a mechanics thing and I wouldn't have that info as either alignment. I've never rolled GS before.

But you didn't read up on how your role worked when you rolled it this game?

Nope. Check a slot. Has a gun / doesn't have a gun seemed self explanatory.

[RCEnigma]

But I made the post about not giving false positives so I looked it up in case I was full of it. I didn't think GS showed up as a gun carrier.

[RCEnigma]

I mean, I still check the wiki for play strategy etc, and since gunsmith isn't cop I'd also wonder about false positives, blah bla

Not my thing.

[RCEnigma]

I doubt scum gives that up arbitrarily

What does he lose by conceding?
The loss of an Auro lynch?
Is that a big deal?

He wouldn't have to unvote you or even discontinue your 1v1 to get a lynch elsewhere. So it doesn't really serve a purpose.

[RCEnigma]

I just wanna be proven right VOTE: Dannflor

[RCEnigma]

Talk to me about why OkaPoka's scum because I see him as towny so far.

Why though?

[RCEnigma]

I won't fault you for that but it isn't a great alignment indicator. I do the same thing myself though sooo...

[RCEnigma]

Scum-Boon would totally rolecop someone as a gunsmith and then claim a gunsmith guilty on them.

If I was a full gunsmith id agree.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: okapoka any of the pine voters are fine.

[RCEnigma]

Sorry I'm not super invested, things are just... A lot right now

[RCEnigma]

I thought u played well too auro, fun playing with u.

EDDIE U DIDNT MEME ENOUGH SO U GET AN F- from me.

Sorry the game got progressively less fun as you and rce dipped and nero (no beef, but somebody who i don't enjoy playing with much) joined

Rl stuff got rough. Sorry we lost guys.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah, RCE and I had a hard town read on each other, I liked that

I checked in every once in awhile so I was surprised that you actually got lynched.