Open 79 - Nightless Vanilla (Town Win!) before 611

[Light-kun]

I am at work and reading, but to quick comment:

not that it is necessarily true, but what you just did, with Tajo and Poro, is similar to distancing.

BBL: (about 7 hours)

Votecount:
Lowell - 5 (killa seven, farside22, Light-kun, IH, dybeck)
FaerieLord - 2 (Lowell, Syzygy)
sekinj - 1 (FaerieLord)
Not voting: populartajo, sekinj
6 to lynch.

[dybeck]

mod: Apparently Syzygy has been banned from mafiascum. He's likely to need replacement.

Thanks.

Populartajo, killa seven: it's really time for some contribution from you both. Last one of you to post some substance is gonna start getting voted.

[killa seven]

syzgy was gimbo.

[sekinj]

I am at work and reading, but to quick comment:

not that it is necessarily true, but what you just did, with Tajo and Poro, is similar to distancing.

BBL: (about 7 hours)

What post is this in responcse too?

[IH]

FL:So, Lowell's interactions that I pointed out with Sun are just not a significant factor in him being town or scum?

[populartajo]

Ok Im here rereading the game. Im posting soon.

[Light-kun]

Okay, Sekinj, that was at you

Anyway, Sekinj, pick one and explain why they seem scummy. Quite frankly, I would prefer you to pick Popular and explain your thoughts on why he is scummy. (There is so much on Lowell already, and I want a case from you, so why not Pop?)


@IH: What are you talking about...? Are you referring to the whole defending him, extra hammer thing again? Because, it sounds like you found something we haven't discussed... or you are just reminding us of Lowell and his scuminess.

[populartajo]

To help me with my reread, can you guys reexplain me why the hell am I at the top of your lists?

[dybeck]

To help me with my reread, can you guys reexplain me why the hell am I at the top of your lists?

You make number three on my list because it looked to me like you tried to derail Sun Tzu's bandwagon.

[FaerieLord]

@lowell: fl is not wiling to explain her case against me, and you say she is scum. Are you willing to explain your case against me?

It's not against you, and I already said in the past why I find yellowbounder scummy

FL:So, Lowell's interactions that I pointed out with Sun are just not a significant factor in him being town or scum?

While they are slightly scummy, the fact that his playstyle is entirely different from when he was scum is enough to over ride them.

[farside22]

I still think Lowell is scum no matter what he says. Can we maybe I don't know agree on who out of Pop or Lowell is the scummiest and see if most of the people who wrote there list is right.

[dybeck]

I'm equally happy with either lynch, but I think a Lowell lynch will give us more information than a populartajo lynch.

[populartajo]

I still think Lowell is scum no matter what he says. Can we maybe I don't know agree on who out of Pop or Lowell is the scummiest and see if most of the people who wrote there list is right.

Farside, why am I scum?

[farside22]

This:

Sun Tzu is making too much sense for my taste. He wasnt like this when he entered the game. Why is that, Sun?
If I dont get a decent answer Im willing to vote him.
Asking for claims is dumb becuase we are all vanillas, right?

FoS : Killa Seven

Also Gimbo=Aegor in that last play. Gimbo, do you think Sun is scum for having reacted like that t your post? Yes or no. Why.

Plus I asked you a question twice that you have ignored and at this point no I won't post it a third time. Use the tools underneath and look for yourself.
Your lack of contribution in the game in large.

[killa seven]

can we just lynch this guy already.

[Light-kun]

No, we have to figure out who is scummier, Lowell or Pop.

However, I am very suspicious of that post by Pop, thanks for pointing it out Farside. I loosely remembered what people said, but I don't like his "coaching." (At least it appears that way.)

@Dybek: Why do you think we'll get more info out of a Lowell lynch? *Granted, I kind of want him over Pop, but what is your thought process here?

[dybeck]

@Dybek: Why do you think we'll get more info out of a Lowell lynch? *Granted, I kind of want him over Pop, but what is your thought process here?

Because everyone's picked a side on Lowell. There are those who think he's out-and-out scum, those who are defending him, and those who are flip-flopping. It's hard to pick genuine town opinion from scum bussing/opportunism without knowing Lowell's alignment.

If he comes up scum, we can immediately look again at people like FaerieLord, who's been defending him all the way, and populartajo, who's been notably silent on the matter.

If he comes up town, we can look again at people like killa seven, who was so notably absent from the Sun Tzu scumwagon, but adamant about staying on the Lowell wagon.

I just think it'll give us a much better steer for tomorrow.

@killa seven: Why were you so quiet throughout the whole Sun Tzu wagon, only emerging with a comment immediately after the hammer?

@populartajo: why did you attempt two derailments of the Sun Tzu wagon?

[FaerieLord]

I'm favouring a popu wagon just on the point that I'm pretty sure Lowell is town.

[IH]

@IH: What are you talking about...? Are you referring to the whole defending him, extra hammer thing again? Because, it sounds like you found something we haven't discussed... or you are just reminding us of Lowell and his scuminess.

FL had him in his town list, not even his neutral, which was why I was bringing these up again.

If you'd look back one page, or try seeing who the thing was directed at = (

To be clear, I'd be more suspicious of FL if Lowell came up town, than if he came up scum, but I could be over thinking it.

[Light-kun]

No, for FL, Lowell's lynch is mostly a null tell, based on lowell's attitude toward FL.

IF Lowell flips town, I will be gun ho for a pop lynch, and maybe a FL later on... hmm...
thoughts?

[IH]

Well, I know that FL has played for awhile, and I doubt that he'd stick up for a scum buddy this resolutely, this close to lynching him but putting him in his, "town" section, instead of at least his neutral section.

Which was why I said I could be overthinking this.

[FaerieLord]

To be clear, I'd be more suspicious of FL if Lowell came up town, than if he came up scum, but I could be over thinking it.

Which is kind of stupid, since I am trying to save ourselves from a mislynch

His play is

so

much different than his scum play, that it is not even funny.

[IH]

I've seen both, and there are too many links between him and sun for me to actually care about his past play in this instance. Especially considering that you are willing to clear put him as one of the most towniest players off of pure metagame.

[dybeck]

@all: Is anyone against BOTH the Lowell lynch AND the populartajo lynch?

@killa seven: Why were you so quiet throughout the whole Sun Tzu wagon, only emerging with a comment immediately after the hammer?

@populartajo: why did you attempt two derailments of the Sun Tzu wagon?

[populartajo]

@all: Is anyone against BOTH the Lowell lynch AND the populartajo lynch?

@killa seven: Why were you so quiet throughout the whole Sun Tzu wagon, only emerging with a comment immediately after the hammer?

@populartajo: why did you attempt two derailments of the Sun Tzu wagon?

I didnt. The only thing that I said is that Sun was making too much sense for my taste as soon as everybody started to suspect him.
For reference check his posts before he was heavily suspected. He was being dumb and he even voted for himself. Then he started making sense and THATt looked strange enough to
People, you are giving wrong fact about myself. I never tried to derail his wagon. If I didnt push it, yes I didnt. I dont post things that I dont think Simple as that. Combine it with the fact that this month has been horrible for me regarding time and yes my play has been poor.
I understand that my lynch can benefit town for information stuff and such but Id suggest to look other cases. Im preparing a detailed post for later.
BTW I dont see Lowell as scum. Yes I know he's the other suspect bus as much as I want to save my ass I cant see him in the bad side. His posts feel too relaxed for pressured scum. Does he have enough experience for doing that? In the meanwhile, Id suggest to look either FL or killa seven as possible mafiosos. Reasons in the incoming post Im preparing.