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Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:08 am

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yeah I have an issue with it at this moment
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Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:10 am

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Who do you think is Raya's partner?
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Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:11 am

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gun to head pb or creature
really if Raya flips town then ima have to give the game the attention it diserves
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Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am

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If Raya flips town, will you agree to gifting you XP? I would need to know how much XP you have currently.
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Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am

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Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:14 am

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knightmare491 mastina - i like the claim
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Pine - i think they are tmi'd by farkset
Ginngie - i think their town
Lady Chloe - they seemed townie last I looked
springlullaby - not scum with farkset imo
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Hectic - fuck i actually haven't read a single posts tbh
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Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:15 am

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In post 1853, Ame wrote:If Raya flips town, will you agree to gifting you XP? I would need to know how much XP you have currently.
Yeah thats fine
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Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:16 am

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oh right was hectic the one who got sabotaged?
I remember vaguely seeing that
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Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:18 am

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I'm fine with a Raya lynch, I'd be better if it was a Knight lynch
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Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:18 am

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vote it pink boi
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Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:20 am

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You replaced momo right? I have a problem with your slot
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Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:21 am

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ok pinky boi
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Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:21 am

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im purple ok im the clear winner here
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Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:21 am

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No no, talk to me, ask me why
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Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:23 am

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if you really wanna say why so badly then just say why lmao
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Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:24 am

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How do I vote for capture?
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Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:24 am

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Oh come on don't be like that I want you to be town and you know it
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Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:26 am

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My problem is that we both know what momo is capable of doing being scum. You've said it a couple of times in this game.

Laying back on D1 and repping out on D2 after a scum kill happened, with some obvious TvS interactions between said scum and other players, goes along pretty well with someone who wouldn't like to lose as scum.

What's your take on momo that goes against this theory
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Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:28 am

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@Ame gifting isn't a bonus action.
I need my action for the night lmao.

pedit: I'm pretty sure I called momo bad and one of the worst players of all time and thats it.
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Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:29 am

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its not scum specific
they just suck at the game
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Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:38 am

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[Sorted]


Hectic

The way Hectic dealt with the proposed Train Cop strategies appeared like a genuine attempt at finding a solution. A lot of his posts just come off as natural. His interaction with Spring felt like genuine frustration. The way Farkset treated Hectic came off as a pocket attempt.

SpringRaven

I think comes from town. I don't think scum would openly role fish at that point, particularly because she had yet to establish her persona.
I also believe her reaction in and were genuine.
by Raven seems genuine, which would clear Spring as not-mafia since she didn't lose any XP from the capture. However, there is the potential that she was coached.

Pink

From : "I don't know, that's why I'm not endorsing any capture yet (I mean I'm on Pine but that's not real)." The honesty of the parenthetical bit gives me the impression of a sorting/non-agenda driven mindset. The timing of the read of his mastina slot feels genuine.

Pine

The mistake with his action seems genuine. I think all the town reads on him also point to him being town. My only thing is his role seems quite broken if scum doesn't have a way to counter it.

LadyCreature

After reviewing Chloe's play, I don't think she was scum. All her posts were well-reasoned and consistent. My only concern with her play is that her read suddenly changed on Farkran during the time I began to case him. Additionally, her entrance today appeared flustered as if she wasn't expecting the Fark flip. She was asking a bunch of questions that didn't really make sense. Lastly, I think this user is a perfectionist when it comes to scum play, and that she tends to lose motivation when things don't pan out as she expects. However, my concerns are more speculative and her play throughout Day 1 is enough to override those concerns. I am also willing to trust Hectic's read on Creature.


[Investigate]


Ginnie

I am town reading based on the reasoning in . I suppose this read is weaker, however, if MastinaKnight is scum. Knight's preoccupation with Ginnie reads as SvS. So we could look here is MastinaKnight is scum. If MastinaKnight is town, then I'd stick with Ginnie as town.

Raya

She has sufficiently addressed my case. However, I still think she has high scum equity.


[Lynch]


MastinaKnight

Her justification for vote in is disingenuous. I think the associations with Fark lead to her being scum (see below). I also trust Pink's read.

MomoSae

On the town side, I don't think comes from scum. In particular, the line "On the disable strongman? Why would you choose this" isn't something I think comes from the sort of self-consciousness that comes with being scum. Additionally, I dove into momo's meta and his scum play is quite different. On the scum side, in his answer to #3 in , he is agreed with Farkran's which was scummy and didn't make sense. And he is agreed that Hectic townslipped for townreading Spring's ordering of the questers, which also does not make sense. Thinking about this more, I do think we should lynch here.

Disassociations


[D1] LadyCreature ~= MastinaKnight: isn't the type of reaction a partner!Chloe would have I don't think.
[D2] SpringRaven ~= MastinaKnight: nice followup to a suspicion. More followup in .
[D3] SpringRaven ~= Farkset: is similar in tone and appearance to Farkset's regarding FotC. Both are hedgey scum reads.
[D4] SpringRaven ~= Farkset: is Farkset attempting to lower the confidence of Spring town reads. This is why I think the Farkset + Spring + Mastina solve is incorrect
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[D5] SpringRaven ~= Farkset: is a TMI read from Kerset. He knows Spring is town and so was failing to attribute his play to mafia.
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[D6] Hectic ~= Farkset: is riding Hectic's coattails.
[D7] Hectic ~= Farkset: and read as TvS.
[D8] Hectic ~= SpringRaven: Hectic's ISO 60-64 appear as genuine frustration.
[D9] Pine ~= Farkset: spews town Pine.
[D10] Ginnie ~= MastinaKnight: and , I don't think Mastina would feel the need to voice that slip up if her and Ginnie were partners. And I don't think Ginnie would have had this reaction either, which seems natural.

Associations


[A1] Farkset = At least 1 of MastinaKnight or LadyCreature: is a partner interaction I think based on the difference in tone with the way he addressed other players. I'm not certain if it is Farkset addressing his partner or Farkset talking
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his partner. Because of D1 above, it cannot be both. Except maybe I'm wrong about D1. Farkset's leads me to suspect that he was attempting to disassociate the two. And Mastina does like to bus.

I think it's unlikely Farkset defends scum!Lady here against town!Mastina, so it is either just scum Mastina or both scum Mastina and Chloe.

Conclusion


I think the team is either Knight + {Ali/Raya/Ginnie} or Ali + Raya.
I don't think I buy Knight being at 1 XP and not having mentioned that he was blocked.
My instinct is leaning me toward Ali, however.

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Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:39 am

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In post 1868, Alisae wrote:@Ame gifting isn't a bonus action.
I need my action for the night lmao.
I don't see why a quest double voter would need their action.
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Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:41 am

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In post 1871, Ame wrote:
In post 1868, Alisae wrote:@Ame gifting isn't a bonus action.
I need my action for the night lmao.
I don't see why a quest double voter would need their action.
Because I'm not just a doublevoter?
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Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:42 am

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Ima just claim because I have votes on me but I'm not sure how many and I think I'm close to lynch range

If I'm on quests I prevent people from being sabotaged
momo didn't act n1
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Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2020 11:44 am

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i really think pb and raya contains at least 1 scum
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