Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[SausasaurusRex]

I don't think that I will need to.

Yeah...

So who put the brakes on the Allo wagon and in what manner did they do it? That's where I'm looking.

It was kind of me, but it was because I wanted more information before deciding on a lynch, not because I specifically didn’t want to lynch Allomancer.

[acryon]

GuiltyLion looks more town to me, mostly because of 824. I think scum!GL comes up with a better reason to give someone townpoints than their suspicion of a player scum!GL knows to be town.

I don't love Karnage right now. I think he skated by doing nothing yesterday. Hoping to see some good post-flip insight from him.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I don't think that I will need to.

Yeah...

So who put the brakes on the Allo wagon and in what manner did they do it? That's where I'm looking.

Uh.... hate to break it to you but you were the first person off the Allomancer wagon after it hit L-1. However, it’s not clear whether you picked up on the soft. You were followed by GL unvoting directly after (whom I believe did pick up on the soft there). Will reread that section and see if I get anything out of those pages.

- Smarter

[acryon]

I don't think that I will need to.

Yeah...

So who put the brakes on the Allo wagon and in what manner did they do it? That's where I'm looking.

Uh.... hate to break it to you but you were the first person off the Allomancer wagon after it hit L-1. However, it’s not clear whether you picked up on the soft. You were followed by GL unvoting directly after (whom I believe did pick up on the soft there). Will reread that section and see if I get anything out of those pages.

- Smarter

Oh I know I was one that put the brakes on it at one point, but I don't have to question my own motives

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

What’s your read on Karnage?

- Smarter

[acryon]

What’s your read on Karnage?

- Smarter

Frankly I'm not sure. I need to go back and do a re-read of him. I had early gut town-vibes, and then he didn't do much most of the day so he kind of stayed off my radar.

[skitter30]

the scumteam's probably quite competent if they correctly ascertained Allo was traffic guy and risked killing a highly mislynchable potential townie

VOTE: skitter

it's you isn't it

his softing wasn't exactly ... subtle
i'm pretty sure gl saw it too, right in the same place i did

if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim

[skitter30]

Karnage, I hope that you'll be able to devote more time towards the game now?

Gonna try

karnage do u have some reads you'd care to share?

[Karnage]

karnage do u have some reads you'd care to share?

Nothing that's worth more than random chance.

[skitter30]

... it's day2 and we've had flips already
i'm kinda not sure how you don't have any reads at this point ...

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim

1) Why would you need him to claim if he already softed?
2) I don’t think you would have been able to join the wagon without suspicion given you were supposed to be in the copbloc?

- Smarter

[Auro]

What was this obvious crumb, Skitter?

[acryon]

the scumteam's probably quite competent if they correctly ascertained Allo was traffic guy and risked killing a highly mislynchable potential townie

VOTE: skitter

it's you isn't it

his softing wasn't exactly ... subtle
i'm pretty sure gl saw it too, right in the same place i did

if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim

FWIW I did not pick up on the soft, although I haven't played in a while so that could be part of it. Allo just seemed like a VI to me.

Looking back, it's clear GL saw it in 791. I also think this is a towntell from GL. Since scum have daytalk, there's no reason for scum!GL to potentially signal people to a softclaim.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

What was this obvious crumb, Skitter?

I thought you saw it and decided it wasn’t a soft? That’s the impression I got from our convo re: me not wanting to lynch Allomancer slot at end of D1

- Smarter

[skitter30]

I think the cop should investigate who they want and just crumb the results.

his having an opinion on this ^

I don't think that I will need to.

this was the big one ^

I'm worried under a hypocop mafia may be able to find the real TA too easily. If anyone hypoclaims a wrong result, mafia knows it's not them. If anyone changes a read on someone they had hypocopped, mafia knows it's not them. I think the TA should just breadcrumb instead.

and just generally piping in with opinions regarding what ta ought to do when getting content out of his was tricky

[skitter30]

if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim

1) Why would you need him to claim if he already softed?
2) I don’t think you would have been able to join the wagon without suspicion given you were supposed to be in the copbloc?

- Smarter

so that we wouldn't be having this conversation ....
and even with the cop-bloc we were having wagons earlier on in the day, i could vote someone without ultimately ending up on the lynch wagon

[skitter30]

this was the big one ^

gl saw this one too right there i'm like 97% sure
his pivot away from allo (i.e. how town!allo forced him to reconsider his reads and reframe his understanding of the gamestae was townie), that's where my townread on him came from

[skitter30]

What was this obvious crumb, Skitter?

also it wasn't a crumb, more a soft
i don't think it was intentional on his end

[Karnage]

... it's day2 and we've had flips already
i'm kinda not sure how you don't have any reads at this point ...

I have some reads but I just don't think they're worth much. I think TLDE, auro, and acryon are town. Eve is probably town too.

That leaves scum in skitter, GL, BB, and SR.

Gun to my head I'd say SR is town and BB idk. I'd prefer to lynch either skit/GL today

[Auro]

What was this obvious crumb, Skitter?

I thought you saw it and decided it wasn’t a soft? That’s the impression I got from our convo re: me not wanting to lynch Allomancer slot at end of D1

- Smarter

Well, I knew it was a risk to kill him, but wanted to pressure him considerably to make him less likely as an NK too. I remember saying I knew your reasons and am still proceeding, etc?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

What was this obvious crumb, Skitter?

I thought you saw it and decided it wasn’t a soft? That’s the impression I got from our convo re: me not wanting to lynch Allomancer slot at end of D1

- Smarter

Well, I knew it was a risk to kill him, but wanted to pressure him considerably to make him less likely as an NK too. I remember saying I knew your reasons and am still proceeding, etc?

Yes I know, but when you asked skitter where the soft was it seems like you didn’t know.

How would pressuring him make him less likely to be NK?

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

if i were scum here i'm not sure why i wouldn't have run him up and forced him to claim

1) Why would you need him to claim if he already softed?
2) I don’t think you would have been able to join the wagon without suspicion given you were supposed to be in the copbloc?

- Smarter

so that we wouldn't be having this conversation ....
and even with the cop-bloc we were having wagons earlier on in the day, i could vote someone without ultimately ending up on the lynch wagon

Uh I don’t think you’re understanding my question.

Wouldn’t scum who saw the soft just let the wagon go so they can use the NK? What need is there to force a claim?

[Auro]

Yes I know, but when you asked skitter where the soft was it seems like you didn’t know.

How would pressuring him make him less likely to be NK?

1. Whether there was something else that made it obvious. Skitter said GL "likely" saw it, when GL blatantly responded to it with "better not be what I think it is" after that statement - a little fishy

2. Reflects that I don't believe the crumb, and also paints them as a very mislynchable candidate the next day: so if you're not *sure* as scum that they're TA, forcing their claim next day isn't a bad prospect, etc

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Yes I know, but when you asked skitter where the soft was it seems like you didn’t know.

How would pressuring him make him less likely to be NK?

1. Whether there was something else that made it obvious. Skitter said GL "likely" saw it, when GL blatantly responded to it with "better not be what I think it is" after that statement - a little fishy

2. Reflects that I don't believe the crumb, and also paints them as a very mislynchable candidate the next day: so if you're not *sure* as scum that they're TA, forcing their claim next day isn't a bad prospect, etc

1 - Are you saying that skitter only being “pretty sure” that GL saw the same crumb is fishy? Like, is it the degree of surety that you are questioning or something else?

2 - ? You were presenting Allo as a deadline lynch candidate - how does that put pressure on him without actually resulting in a lynch or hardclaim?

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Theory question: would scum always go for a NL over ML? Like, is it better for them to have town!nom lynched D1 or no lynch at all?

- Smarter