Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Albert B. Rampage]

No I didn't.

[farside22]

No I didn't.

Why the vote?

[Vecna]

At the moment we have 3 ICs due to the lack of CCs, namely me, icon, ABR

So 3 scum in (votato, vecna, eyestott, Maria, farside, Lilith, chkflip)

I have a softclear on one of these players but I’m not outing yet because I want to see where scum tries to go today first. I’ll out it at some point today because all 3 guns are still alive rn meaning that even if scum have 2 guns left for N2 then they can still triple kill even with the info outed on the potential softclear, so it won’t change our worst case scenario

Im fine with you sitting on this, but i think you should say who you shot at befire days end. Idk if an N1 rose =town. Depends on the player, if they are confident as scum.

If ABR and/or I were scum it would be hugely beneficial for the town guns to just CC so that there was confirmed scum in the gun claims

Like the fact that you’re trying to act like it’s beneficial to town for a town gun to hide their identity just to out it later is hilarious and also ridiculous

I agree with this today. Im going to explain why, shortly.

does anyone really care if DC is RC? or anyone else?

it doesn't help the game either

i think i'ma shoot chkflip tonight

he felt a little *too* agreeable/easy on the townread to me

Anyway you would shot a player that most are scum reading?

Its not like im trying to make people realize youre town thats misreading me.

I think youre scum pushing me.

Regardless, I bet youre gonna claim that you tried shooting Lilith or Maria.

If youre actually gonna make that claim on someone im townreading

, and they confirm....well thatll be interesting.

How did lilith go from town read when you said earlier you were not sure of her.
Bolded belon previous statement.

Then the next question is whether he would go so far as to openly defend scum buddy Maria.

Maria had some decent enough reasons to scumread me early on (well they were not good reasons, but I could see a town doing a hurried catchup could latch onto those).

Another question is whether ABR vs DC could be SvS. The wagon diffused so quickly (I still have to read that part of the game actually), and I dont think town ABR would suddenly give up on it so quickly without solid reason. The fact neither of those ended up shooting eachother is also highly suspicious after the activity between those two.

Still think Votato is likely town. The slot feels pretty genuine in the way its blundering about. Nothing it says makes sense, so there must be some weird town crazy behind that.

I have had a gut townread on Eyestott for his first 5 posts or whatever since the start of the game. It might be a very bad reason. I dont know if I can do an unbiased revisit of that slot.

Lilith and Farside are just like, a blur. I dont think I could see a farside scum here due to her devellopments, but I also bet she could fool me easily

. Lilith is just an unreadable slot to me, and I dont think I can be trusted to have a proper read there.

Chkflip feels so towny in everything he does, but I still have a gut feeling something is wrong there. Im not gonna be able to get that lynched, and actually persuing that will just mean I get lynched today. If he is scum, town loses this game regardless I feel. So better to just treat that slot as scum.

I feel like im missing a person maybe?

Regardless, my likely solve is ABR + DC + lilith, but any combination of two of those + 1 slot im wrong about would do just fine

Im curious why if there is no CC why your pushing Abr/DC and how did lilith end up into this scum read after criticizing dc for possibly shooting her now?

My point was that a scum DC could easily claim a failed gunshot on their teammate. Given that my Poe (atm) is mostly 2 or 3 out of (DC/lilith/Maria) id be interested/intruged in his result mainly if its on someone that isnt Lilith or Maria. Regardless, 3 within (DC/lilith/Maria) seems like a pretty terrible solve since those 3 are all voting me atm.

[DonCorleone]

i agree with ABR

DC claim your target now, not later
if ur town, nothing to fear

you don't gain anything from withholding the information at this point, but scum can get caught so ehhhhh

claim

Nah

I’m (regrettably) forced to treat you as town due to no one CCing you

No one is CCing me either so I should be conftown to you, and as such you can trust that my motivation in withholding who I shot (for now) is town motivated

[DonCorleone]

Like if scum try to push the person I have the softclear on because they don’t know that person is softcleared then it’s very beneficial for me to withhold that information

[DonCorleone]

Is there any reason to think that ABR’s reads today are any better than his reads yesterday?

[Vecna]

Gun claims: Abr, you and DC.

at this time, it's literally in town's best interest for a town gun to CC and figure out the scum among these claims.
otherwise, these 3 are conftown and should be treated as such

I guess at this time this is not a terrible idea

People cc'ing will either be scum that still have a shot regardless and already have someone to aim for.

The question is whether DC should claim before that. anyways

[DonCorleone]

If not (pro tip: this is the correct answer) let ignore him and lynch someone else

[DonCorleone]

Oh, btw icon no pressure but if we mislynch today then if you don’t hit scum in the night it’s a loss

[DonCorleone]

Unless scum also shot who I shot tonight but seems unlikely bc *reasons*

[Vecna]

Gun claims: Abr, you and DC.

at this time, it's literally in town's best interest for a town gun to CC and figure out the scum among these claims.
otherwise, these 3 are conftown and should be treated as such

Agree with this

Vecna flailing trying to pin scumreads on two uncced guns is hilarious

I mean, two people hadnt even posted today.

There has not been any unanimous consent about a massclaim

[DonCorleone]

I have a solve btw but I’m not outing it just yet

[DonCorleone]

mean, two people hadnt even posted today.

It’s one, I’m pretty sure

I think it’s just eyestott

[votato]

No I didn't.

Is there any reason to think that ABR’s reads today are any better than his reads yesterday?

No. That said i agree with abr on Lilith. I think the other two are chkflip and vecna at this point. Vecna is almost tstbs. VOTE: lilith

We've already effectively massclaimed. Unless there's gun in afk, everyone town aligned is a rose

[Vecna]

Unless scum also shot who I shot tonight but seems unlikely bc *reasons*

Theres no reason for scum to shoot outside the gunclaims right?

And then if youre town they shoot whoever you claim to have tried to shoot n1 with their NK

[Vecna]

can you guys stop voting?

[Vecna]

like, why the fuck are you even going there before we've gone through the motions of shit that needs to be done today

[Vecna]

Unless scum also shot who I shot tonight but seems unlikely bc *reasons*

Theres no reason for scum to shoot outside the gunclaims right?

And then if youre town they shoot whoever you claim to have tried to shoot n1 with their NK

This ofcourse being the scenario where they somehow had predicted that N2 guns are all the shit. Which seems somewhat unlikely

[Vecna]

wait actually, if DC is town, scum already shot a gun N1

[DonCorleone]

I think we need to weigh up how great the risk that we’re in semi-mylo is

As in — if we mislynch and icon mis-shoots is it just GG or do scum have a rose/do scum have a missed shot on N1?

I think maybe we do full massclaim later today as in a mylo situation scum already have all the shots they need to hit win in terms of slots that are guaranteed kills, and if a scummy shot can be cleared via icon shooting them then it would be worth it if scum only have 1 gun

But my brain is melting from trying to do mechanics

[DonCorleone]

wait actually, if DC is town, scum already shot a gun N1

Lmao what are you smoking and can I have some?

[DonCorleone]

Have you seen the flips vecna?

[votato]

Scum definitely shot a gun n1.
Eetoot is the only one not to post today, although it's been a minute for Maria, so maybe she didn't see the three gun claims?

[DonCorleone]

Oh wait you mean as in they fired a gun

In which case, yea, obviously?

[votato]

Have you seen the flips vecna?

vecna means they used a gun.