Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Vecna]

Why did you pick N1 rose Farside?

[Vecna]

Also, DC - why are you taking Farside having a N1 rose as a strong reason to townread her?

Dont you feel most town would take it for later days? Like all the 4 people that have flipped town so far?

[votato]

Also, DC - why are you taking Farside having a N1 rose as a strong reason to townread her?

Dont you feel most town would take it for later days? Like all the 4 people that have flipped town so far?

you want to be rose on the nights where most killing takes place to be the safest. there were quite a few night 1 guns, and she was in fact shot last night. a night 1 rose seems to have been a good call, at least in her case. later roses didnt do much good for anyone shot last night did they? its hard to know ex ante, i dont see why any particular night is anti-town.

[Vecna]

Yes Votato, thanks for the obvious, even though I wasnt asking you.

My point is that surviving that first night is way more important for scum.

Also, take note that scum actually had quite a good picture of what their 2 kills would pick (as in, not N1). Whether thats just lucky or they actually know the players quite well?

[Vecna]

for example: do a dive through Farsides games and tell me if you see her getting nightkilled by scum very often.

now do the same and look if she gets killed/lynched as scum quite often.

Thatll give you an idea of what the pick might mean for allignment.

DC clearly didnt do that, but just jumped on "ROSE = TOWN" even though there very well could still be two scum with roses out there (speculation ofcourse, but I need to shade the shit that is voting me)

[farside22]

Also, all that reasoning in that big Farside post is fake as fuck

Pretending she was drawing conclusions because people werent cc'ing gun on D1? Yeah right

My conclusion are based on the facts of today and no CC's.
The only person who hasn't posted is Eye. Do you know if he is a gun or something?

Why did you pick N1 rose Farside?

I have been targeted N1 a lot since I started playing again. Seemed logical.

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
Something is really bothering me let me fully catch up then I'll explain

[Vecna]

Some homework

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=71175 modkilled D2
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=68212 scum lynched D5
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68256 killed D8
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67829 Endgamed as town
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67884 her replacement endgamed as town
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=68163 lynched as scum D2
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=68703 lynched as scum D3
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67948 endgamed as cult
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67600 Survived but got endgamed as town
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67479 nightkilled during intermission as town (dance game)

Thats all of the games I could spot on her first page of games played, except ongoing I think?

Nightkilled "early" as town once. Lynched/caught as scum a decent ammount. Usually survives very long as town

So I really do not see any strong case here why she would expect this to be different as town and die that early?

I certaintly dont see a reason for DC to just not question it.

Given this data, id expect her to pick N1 rose as scum more often than as town.

Nothing definitive ofcourse, the amount of guns could also very easily sway her to be cautious. But reason to be suspicious.

[Vecna]

The above was on farside

[MariaR]

Question for everyone:

Do you think a town eyescott wouldn't be getting pushed by scum right now when we're in possible mlyo?

I wanted to skim and see if anyone was trying to push him and...no one was. He was also a big wagon day 1 and it kinda just rubs me the wrong way that he's kinda just dismissed. I guess I just figured he would've been pushed harder.

[MariaR]

The gun talk is not needed. If no one is gonna cc the guns we have 3 ics leave it at that.

[Vecna]

So I assume thats no gun on Maria confirmed as well

[Vecna]

Question for everyone:

Do you think a town eyescott wouldn't be getting pushed by scum right now when we're in possible mlyo?

I wanted to skim and see if anyone was trying to push him and...no one was. He was also a big wagon day 1 and it kinda just rubs me the wrong way that he's kinda just dismissed. I guess I just figured he would've been pushed harder.

he was a wagon D1 and people are constantly murmuring about it now as well. Im the wagon of choice today apparently though

[MariaR]

Spoiler: VCs for me

VoteCount 1.9

eyestott [2] - Knightmare491, Something_Smart
Knightmare491 [1] - eyestott
MariaR [2] - Iconeum, Firebringer
Vecna [1] - MariaR
Albert B. Rampage [2] - DonCorleone, SirCakez
DonCorleone [5] - Albert B. Rampage, chkflip, Vecna, votato, farside22

Not Voting [1]

- lilith2013

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

VoteCount 1.11

eyestott [2] - Knightmare491, Something_Smart
Knightmare491 [1] - eyestott
MariaR [2] - Iconeum, Firebringer
Albert B. Rampage [1] - SirCakez
DonCorleone [6] - Albert B. Rampage, chkflip, Vecna, farside22, votato, DonCorleone
farside22 [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [1]

- lilith2013

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

VoteCount 1.12

eyestott [2] - Knightmare491, Something_Smart
Knightmare491 [1] - eyestott
MariaR [4] - Iconeum, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage, SirCakez
DonCorleone [1] - Vecna
farside22 [1] - MariaR
SirCakez [4] - DonCorleone, votato, chkflip, farside22

Not Voting [1]

- lilith2013

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

VoteCount 1.13

eyestott [2] - Knightmare491, Something_Smart
Knightmare491 [1] - eyestott
MariaR [4] - Iconeum, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage, SirCakez
DonCorleone [1] - Vecna
SirCakez [5] - DonCorleone, votato, chkflip, farside22, MariaR

Not Voting [1]

- lilith2013

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

VoteCount 1.14

eyestott [1] - Knightmare491

Knightmare491 [8] - eyestott, Something_Smart, DonCorleone, SirCakez, farside22, chkflip, lilith2013, MariaR [LYNCH]

MariaR [4] - Iconeum, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage, Vecna
SirCakez [1] - votato

Not Voting [0]

-

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

[Vecna]

Also, all that reasoning in that big Farside post is fake as fuck

Pretending she was drawing conclusions because people werent cc'ing gun on D1? Yeah right

My conclusion are based on the facts of today and no CC's.
The only person who hasn't posted is Eye. Do you know if he is a gun or something?

Why did you pick N1 rose Farside?

I have been targeted N1 a lot since I started playing again

. Seemed logical.

I know you were on an alt for a bit, but I was in plenty of those games and it wasnt the case there.

Its also not the case at all in the stuff I just dug up.

Care to show me where?

[Vecna]

I really hope eyestott comes in here and claims rose.

[MariaR]

@Don my thoughts on farside is if there's scum in 1 of her and Lilith it's probably Lilith. They could both be SVS but that makes Lilth scummy regardless where as Farside has a chance of being town. I don't get why scum farside revisits her read on me when I think if it came down to it I would've died. That of course, does not help my paranoia in the thought of

'They kept Maria alive for a ml' because both the cakes wagon and mine were a shocker. Town. I won't go into a huge ideal but if you're having second thoughts about me just talk to me. You've played with me a bit I assume if you've meta'd me so you know by now everyone gets 'worried' about my slot.
pedit: How have the flips helped with your reads Vecna?

[MariaR]

I really wish Votato or Eyescott were shot last night over Cakez. This game would've felt so much easier but, no point in whining about that now.

Why do people sr my most confident townread?

[votato]

I really wish Votato or Eyescott were shot last night over Cakez. This game would've felt so much easier but, no point in whining about that now.

Why do people sr my most confident townread?

why do you think im scum? who is your most confident townread?

honestly why does anyone think eeoysttt is scum?

[MariaR]

Chkflip is my most confident townread. (Vecna your theory!!!)

I can't say I don't think you're scum, but I was/am in a spot where you could probably convince me to vote anyone that isn't Chk. Some I just feel a lot more confident on than others. Don is saying he shot farside so rn I'm looking at Lilith/Vecna/ 1 of you/Eyescott.

[MariaR]

Yes Votato, thanks for the obvious, even though I wasnt asking you.

My point is that surviving that first night is way more important for scum.

Also, take note that scum actually had quite a good picture of what their 2 kills would pick (as in, not N1). Whether thats just lucky or they actually know the players quite well?

for example: do a dive through Farsides games and tell me if you see her getting nightkilled by scum very often.

now do the same and look if she gets killed/lynched as scum quite often.

Thatll give you an idea of what the pick might mean for allignment.

DC clearly didnt do that, but just jumped on "ROSE = TOWN" even though there very well could still be two scum with roses out there (speculation ofcourse, but I need to shade the shit that is voting me)

Do you think farside is a scum rose?

[MariaR]

The only argument I see for Vecna/Lilith not being scum together is the fact Firebringer said as much and now he's dead. Assume the team is Eyescott/Lilith/Vecna. Would they be that scared to kill Fir-wait I should stop going into NKA

NKA is trash.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Vecna

[farside22]

Some homework

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=71175 modkilled D2
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=68212 scum lynched D5
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68256 killed D8
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67829 Endgamed as town
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67884 her replacement endgamed as town
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=68163 lynched as scum D2
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=68703 lynched as scum D3
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67948 endgamed as cult
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67600 Survived but got endgamed as town
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67479 nightkilled during intermission as town (dance game)

Thats all of the games I could spot on her first page of games played, except ongoing I think?

Nightkilled "early" as town once. Lynched/caught as scum a decent ammount. Usually survives very long as town

So I really do not see any strong case here why she would expect this to be different as town and die that early?

I certaintly dont see a reason for DC to just not question it.

Given this data, id expect her to pick N1 rose as scum more often than as town.

Nothing definitive ofcourse, the amount of guns could also very easily sway her to be cautious. But reason to be suspicious.

Also, all that reasoning in that big Farside post is fake as fuck

Pretending she was drawing conclusions because people werent cc'ing gun on D1? Yeah right

My conclusion are based on the facts of today and no CC's.
The only person who hasn't posted is Eye. Do you know if he is a gun or something?

Why did you pick N1 rose Farside?

I have been targeted N1 a lot since I started playing again

. Seemed logical.

You do realize I just started playing again 3 weeks ago. That had nothing to do with old games.
I would thought about picking gun instead but I was worried not enough town players were going to pick Rose and would rather shoot. I was surprised Fire didn't pick gun as town.

[farside22]

Question for everyone:

Do you think a town eyescott wouldn't be getting pushed by scum right now when we're in possible mlyo?

I wanted to skim and see if anyone was trying to push him and...no one was. He was also a big wagon day 1 and it kinda just rubs me the wrong way that he's kinda just dismissed. I guess I just figured he would've been pushed harder.

I think it makes sense for eye to be scum given the wagon that could have happened and who wasn't on it.

Icon is taking ideas for how to shoot tonight. I think we really should all just say who and go from there. If it's me, I'm fine with that, too much WIFOM with me in this game.