Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[eyestott]

The only conclusion to make is that either the scumteam is devised of irrational players, the last scum to claim isn't cooperating with their team, or the scumteam is fine with confirming three players as town.

[DonCorleone]

The funny part is, if you hadnt pulled those lines about the masculinities and shit this game probably wouldve gone totally different and been so simple.

Because understandably you really want the game to have me as scum now

“Those lines”

You mean those very factual points about how players disproportionately sheep the shoutiest/loudest players, who are disproportionately men, who are disproportionately overconfident in their reads even when wrong and who are disproportionately likely to stick to their tunnel and not reconsider in light of additional evidence

Yes, I’m sure gender has absolutely nothing to do with it

[DonCorleone]

I have no idea what you mean by “understandably you really want the game to have me as scum now” incidentally. I don’t “want” the game to have you as anything, I *want* to correctly figure out your alignment

[Vecna]

Okay, but you’re not giving me an actual solve, you’re giving me who might be in it and who’s conditional on being in it

Which 3 names right now do you think are most likely to end the game if we lynched/shot them all back to back?

Maria, Farside and one of stotts/votato

But I say that having no proper read on lilith whatsoever

I dont ever admit this, but my solve feels like shit this game

So yeah, im sure we'll see each other in the god thread soon and we can discuss where this all went wrong

[DonCorleone]

I wanna hear what everyone else thinks vecna’s alignment is

Am I tunnelling here or is he as scummy as I think?

[Vecna]

The funny part is, if you hadnt pulled those lines about the masculinities and shit this game probably wouldve gone totally different and been so simple.

Because understandably you really want the game to have me as scum now

“Those lines”

You mean those very factual points about how players disproportionately sheep the shoutiest/loudest players, who are disproportionately men, who are disproportionately overconfident in their reads even when wrong and who are disproportionately likely to stick to their tunnel and not reconsider in light of additional evidence

Yes, I’m sure gender has absolutely nothing to do with it

It just felt very opportunistic and manipulative to me to get out from under that deathtunnel

And it has coloured my view of you ever since, and probably resulted me being in this shit position.

Normally as town im never in this position of weaksauce and weakness, only when I get distracted by a tunnel that ends up being wrong.

[DonCorleone]

@icon especially, I’m expecting more from you now that you’re an IC young dragon

[Albert B. Rampage]

I kinda think you deliberately bullshitted the “ABR AND DC COULD BE SCUMBUDDIES GUYZ” thing to falll back on “scum!me wouldn’t have put myself in that position” and it’s the same thing you’re doing with getting a scumteam member to claim gun “if I were scum a teammate would have claimed!”

Yeah I remember that. Its true that Vecna looks a lot worse.

[lilith2013]

Okay, but you’re not giving me an actual solve, you’re giving me who might be in it and who’s conditional on being in it

Which 3 names right now do you think are most likely to end the game if we lynched/shot them all back to back?

Maria, Farside and one of stotts/votato

But I say that having no proper read on lilith whatsoever

I dont ever admit this, but my solve feels like shit this game

So yeah, im sure we'll see each other in the god thread soon and we can discuss where this all went wrong

What happened to your maria/chkflip theory?

[DonCorleone]

I mean I think it’s a lot more that you wanted me lynched and were looking for a reason to justify your vote which conveniently presented itself in the form of claiming that my points about toxic masculinity were some form of bullshit/emotional manipulation/whatever

But that’s why I want to know how other people perceived your whole take on that

[Albert B. Rampage]

what about vecna/eyestot/ one of lillith and maria?

[Albert B. Rampage]

does vecna make more sense with lillith or maria?

[DonCorleone]

what about vecna/eyestot/ one of lillith and maria?

I mean yeah, i just posted the version with Lilith as the third like a page ago

[DonCorleone]

He said that Lilith has been tunnelling him but I haven’t checked to see if it’s true yet

[lilith2013]

I wanna hear what everyone else thinks vecna’s alignment is

Am I tunnelling here or is he as scummy as I think?

Scummy

When he came up with the maria/chkflip theory I had a moment of doubt but his theory wasn’t actually valid so I’m still scumreading vecna

The funny part is, if you hadnt pulled those lines about the masculinities and shit this game probably wouldve gone totally different and been so simple.

Because understandably you really want the game to have me as scum now

“Those lines”

You mean those very factual points about how players disproportionately sheep the shoutiest/loudest players, who are disproportionately men, who are disproportionately overconfident in their reads even when wrong and who are disproportionately likely to stick to their tunnel and not reconsider in light of additional evidence

Yes, I’m sure gender has absolutely nothing to do with it

It just felt very opportunistic and manipulative to me to get out from under that deathtunnel

And it has coloured my view of you ever since, and probably resulted me being in this shit position.

Normally as town im never in this position of weaksauce and weakness, only when I get distracted by a tunnel that ends up being wrong.

How would you react to being tunneled by ABR?

[lilith2013]

Okay I thought I revoted vecna but apparently I forgot to do that

VOTE: vecna

[lilith2013]

He said that Lilith has been tunnelling him but I haven’t checked to see if it’s true yet

I’m scumreading him because he does scummy things like talk to ABR in a tone that doesn’t match the strength of his read and he calls it tunneling

[Vecna]

Okay, but you’re not giving me an actual solve, you’re giving me who might be in it and who’s conditional on being in it

Which 3 names right now do you think are most likely to end the game if we lynched/shot them all back to back?

Maria, Farside and one of stotts/votato

But I say that having no proper read on lilith whatsoever

I dont ever admit this, but my solve feels like shit this game

So yeah, im sure we'll see each other in the god thread soon and we can discuss where this all went wrong

What happened to your maria/chkflip theory?

Its still my favorite in a fanfic type of way, but im not sure how realistic it is. chkflip is really defending me quite hard here, while he has no true reason to just keep endlessly shading the people wagoning me as scum, because itll just end up looking like he's the ultimate white knight. He knows that as scum, im sure.

The farside logic of picking D1 rose over D1+ rose seems to fit better given the research ive done.

[lilith2013]

I think it’s vecna/chkflip/?

[DonCorleone]

Right, I’m leaving to give the thread some breathing room and let others talk as despite what we’re honestly my best intentions for this game, I’ve still ended up hitting my third page of ISO already

[Vecna]

I mean I think it’s a lot more that you wanted me lynched and were looking for a reason to justify your vote which conveniently presented itself in the form of claiming that my points about toxic masculinity were some form of bullshit/emotional manipulation/whatever

But that’s why I want to know how other people perceived your whole take on that

Well, you'll know the truth soon enough

Good luck solving it

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.3

Vecna [3] - farside22, MariaR, lilith2013
votato [1] - chkflip
lilith2013 [1] - votato

Not Voting [5]

- Iconeum, Vecna, eyestott, Albert B. Rampage, DonCorleone

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-12 15:35:31)

[Vecna]

The one surprise to me this game is me actually ending up biting the bullet before stott and votato after all the pressure there this game. Some irony in that I guess

[votato]

What’s your solve vecna?

I honestly think any solve is gonna involve MAX 1 in (Eyestott Votato)

Maybe im just stubborn because ive been townreading those two since the beginning and I want to be right.

I think Chk is only scum if Maria is scum, but I have no real strong reasons for that besides the way maria latched onto me in her catchup for voting and unvoting chkflip. I still think that mightve drawn her attention for partner reasons, and chkflip has been completely utterly unphased by anything ive thrown in his direction regarding this.

a bit behind. this post really struck me, because I also think steyeoat and votato are town. Yet we are two people who were almost universally scumread early in the day yesterday. And Vecna is 100% scum here. Don't let him escape by using dumb arguments and AtE. Scum!vecna latched on to the two most likely mislynches early in the day. Just like he latched onto the actual mislynch late in the day. He conveniently townread all three of us, hoping to get towncred post-flip. To me this clears myself and ayeschott. I'll put myself out there and say that if vecna flips town ico should vig me. If i flip town, spare tneysott

Also, DC, in what universe could (me, eye, chk) be the scum? I've hard defended eye and been pushing chkflip hard the whole game. Super obviously. They're the two players (along with farside) i have the most associations with. Do you really think we would make it that obvious?

[eyestott]

VoteCount 2.3

Vecna [3] - farside22, MariaR, lilith2013
votato [1] - chkflip
lilith2013 [1] - votato

Not Voting [5]

- Iconeum, Vecna, eyestott, Albert B. Rampage, DonCorleone

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-12 15:35:31)

Wait, I'm not already voting Vecna?
Oops
VOTE: Vecna

What’s your solve vecna?

I honestly think any solve is gonna involve MAX 1 in (Eyestott Votato)

Maybe im just stubborn because ive been townreading those two since the beginning and I want to be right.

I think Chk is only scum if Maria is scum, but I have no real strong reasons for that besides the way maria latched onto me in her catchup for voting and unvoting chkflip. I still think that mightve drawn her attention for partner reasons, and chkflip has been completely utterly unphased by anything ive thrown in his direction regarding this.

a bit behind. this post really struck me, because I also think steyeoat and votato are town. Yet we are two people who were almost universally scumread early in the day yesterday. And Vecna is 100% scum here. Don't let him escape by using dumb arguments and AtE. Scum!vecna latched on to the two most likely mislynches early in the day. Just like he latched onto the actual mislynch late in the day. He conveniently townread all three of us, hoping to get towncred post-flip. To me this clears myself and ayeschott. I'll put myself out there and say that if vecna flips town ico should vig me. If i flip town, spare tneysott

Also, DC, in what universe could (me, eye, chk) be the scum? I've hard defended eye and been pushing chkflip hard the whole game. Super obviously. They're the two players (along with farside) i have the most associations with. Do you really think we would make it that obvious?

I was thinking the same thing, votato