Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[DonCorleone]

I’m not hammering at 6 days to deadline while there’s a wagon composition of (ABR, farside, chk, votato, vecna)

[lilith2013]

lets hammer lilith imo

Scum probably all 3 picked gun, killed FB/something smat/farside.

Lilith is scum fore sure.

I’m really fucking not, go take your shitty reads elsewhere ABR

[lilith2013]

Oops sorry i accidentally multiquoted

[votato]

Scum probably all 3 picked gun, killed FB/something smat/farside.

Lilith is scum fore sure.

i dont think farside was an optimal shot for scum. maybe theres still a gun out there with scum.

[DonCorleone]

I’m still thinking it’s vecna tbh

You actually went through my scumgames and still think so?

I only had a preliminary skim (planning to go through properly when I have a couple hours free) but basically confirmed to me my impression that your scumgame is very solid and that you don’t have any activity/effort tell as scum — ie you trying to town it up isn’t clearing for you

[lilith2013]

I don’t actually see anyone giving reasoning for voting me. Can anyone currently on my wagon give me something I can engage with?

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: lilith

fucking hell, why are there three IC's in this game and it feels like its completely up to me to solve this bitch and move the pieces

Honestly, DC, if you NEED to lynch me, do it today.

but then promise me you wont throw the game and treat Votato as an IC going forward.

If im wrong a single time, im mislynched the next day or shot, and we lose.

If I cannot convince you all that im town than I should take the fall for the good of us all.

Now, im sure this is going to be construed as scummy again, but I cannot keep fighting against the entire playerlist minus ABR.

[DonCorleone]

I’d rather lynch eyestott and then let icon vig you tbh vecna

[DonCorleone]

I feel better about eyestott than I do about you but I think you’re a liability that there’s a reasonable chance I’m never going to feel great on either way, so I’d quite like to just remove you as a variable

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don’t actually see anyone giving reasoning for voting me. Can anyone currently on my wagon give me something I can engage with?

I just quoted for you my reasoning though

[Vecna]

I’m still thinking it’s vecna tbh

You actually went through my scumgames and still think so?

I only had a preliminary skim (planning to go through properly when I have a couple hours free) but basically confirmed to me my impression that your scumgame is very solid and that you don’t have any activity/effort tell as scum — ie you trying to town it up isn’t clearing for you

Hmm people in my other community have managed to lock my formula down and are pretty good at telling the difference by now.

Oh well, was worth a try

[Albert B. Rampage]

DC's reads make no sense. townreads maria, farside, and lilith.

So what you think scum is vecna/votato/eyestot?

And these 3 decided to not kill a single claimed gun?

Come on.

[Vecna]

I feel better about eyestott than I do about you but I think you’re a liability that there’s a reasonable chance I’m never going to feel great on either way, so I’d quite like to just remove you as a variable

Yeah I agree, because this shit is going to be a true dumpterfire if you and ABR get taken out tonight, and I dont have the conviction of true reads to 100% hammer a scum here.

And tbh, I dont think were going to get there. But if scum have two guns, mislynching me will put all the pressure on Ico

And im not convinced at all that Stotts will flip scum here.

[votato]

DC's reads make no sense. townreads maria, farside, and lilith.

So what you think scum is vecna/votato/eyestot?

And these 3 decided to not kill a single claimed gun?

Come on.

i think DC's reads are largely based on male/non-male. townreads all three women, scumreads men. DC i think youre still letting emotions from yesterday cloud your reads.

[Vecna]

I don’t actually see anyone giving reasoning for voting me. Can anyone currently on my wagon give me something I can engage with?

Did you see my big post?

Do you agree on my reasoning for towncasing Votato?

Can you see where im coming from saying Farside is showing a lot of conviction in how she is pushing me?

Because its all out there, and youre not interacting with any of it.

You only come out here to demand attention when youre about to get hammered, while theres a lot of people actually putting in strong effort to narrow down on a proper lynch.

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And yes, I can see where youre comnig from with the ABR thing. I probably acted dodgy as fuck around that. But I honestly feel ive done SO BLOODY MUCH afterwards to try and change people their opinion, and its all falling on quite deaf ears except for a select individuals.

[lilith2013]

I don’t actually see anyone giving reasoning for voting me. Can anyone currently on my wagon give me something I can engage with?

I just quoted for you my reasoning though

I don’t understand why you’re voting me instead of maria since she seems to be your strongest scumread. Is it because DC won’t wagon her with you?

Vecna/chkflip I disagree with because I still think scum have to be on any wagon. Chkflip defending scum!vecna isn’t towny and Vecna’s reads re:chkflip are all over the place while afaik chkflip’s read on Vecna has not change at all over the course of this game.

[lilith2013]

I don’t actually see anyone giving reasoning for voting me. Can anyone currently on my wagon give me something I can engage with?

Did you see my big post?

Do you agree on my reasoning for towncasing Votato?

Can you see where im coming from saying Farside is showing a lot of conviction in how she is pushing me?

Because its all out there, and youre not interacting with any of it.

You only come out here to demand attention when youre about to get hammered, while theres a lot of people actually putting in strong effort to narrow down on a proper lynch.

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And yes, I can see where youre comnig from with the ABR thing. I probably acted dodgy as fuck around that. But I honestly feel ive done SO BLOODY MUCH afterwards to try and change people their opinion, and its all falling on quite deaf ears except for a select individuals.

I mean I was literally asleep while I was being wagoned, not my fault I woke up to being at L-1

I’ll go reread whatever post this is

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don’t understand why you’re voting me instead of maria since she seems to be your strongest scumread. Is it because DC won’t wagon her with you?

Farside and dc dont want to lynch maria.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE: lilith

fucking hell, why are there three IC's in this game and it feels like its completely up to me to solve this bitch and move the pieces

Honestly, DC, if you NEED to lynch me, do it today.

but then promise me you wont throw the game and treat Votato as an IC going forward.

If im wrong a single time, im mislynched the next day or shot, and we lose.

If I cannot convince you all that im town than I should take the fall for the good of us all.

Now, im sure this is going to be construed as scummy again, but I cannot keep fighting against the entire playerlist minus ABR.

Dude put your vote back

[chkflip]

What does Vecna's inability to read me have to do with my alignment lol don't be mad your partners didn't fucking claim gun.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It seems like don is in the business of letting people who play well win.

I'm in the business of winning.

[chkflip]

Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lilith has offered zero game solves. I don't buy anything she says.

Her "fuck it" knightmare vote yesterday is scummy.

POE says she's scum.

Her vecna vote with all the unconfirmed is bad.

The evidence is too strong.

[lilith2013]

I was initially going to use this to confbias farside + stotts + lilith together, but now im gonna approach it from a different angle (while still explaining why I thought it linked Farside + lilith together

Do you want my new top secret solve for this game?

Continued in the quote. Yes im going there

Spoiler:

The scum team is Maria + Chkflip

And one out of (Farside + lilith + Stotts)

and I really dont want it to be stotts so my townreads on D1 at least were good

Chkflip was also extremely humble and weird and understanding of my vote there, even after I gave him a weak piece of shit explanation

calling it like "the most accurate someone has ever described changes in my play"

Going on how he was going to be all nice and cuddly and friendly this game and that that was the change I had spotted

And then he proceeds to play exactly as the way he has done so far. Which seems very towny, but not exactly friendly or non-aggresive if you will.

Remember how Maria scumread me based on my interaction with CHKflip? and my vote there? and subsequent unvote?

That was pretty unremarkable to pretty much everyone.

Im theorizing her attention was drawn to it because it was the first vote for her scumbuddy in the entire game

Wtf

I was going to say that wasn’t the first vote on chkflip.... but farside and I were both pushing chkflip hard during D1 and Maria also came out with scumreads on the two of us

what

Intermission/discussion: So I did one of my *lightbulb* derps here. The people that are now town to me all responded with

But lilith took it very serious, and even unvoted me. That was the only shit that gave her pause and made her interact wtih me and the "case"

Initially I was going to look at this from the scum perspective, that wants to exploit this, by encouraging it somewhat, while still being the voice of reason that gently just corrects me where needed. I thought this would fit quite well with FArside + lilith + Stotts, wanting me to push that logic for after I flip. Maybe if it was given enough attention, it would start living its own life and people would buy into it, right?

The other alternative.....is that I actually nailed it, and she felt the need to comment because her entire just was just cast in a net with accurate reason. I know, youre all probably doing the thing again.....but why would she bite on this little conspiracy theory? I think one of these two explenations is quite plausible. #2 probably more than #1

Yeah I had a moment of “what if all my reads are wrong and this maria/chkflip theory breaks the game wide open?” That would have meant by necessity you were town.

continuing

Spoiler:

goddamn this case is sure threading that fine line between mouth diarrhea and utter brilliance

Good luck still scumreading me after this piece of prose while still being able to look at yourself in the mirror

UNVOTE:

Interesting.

Editing out a lot of my posts because quoting is a lot of work. You can reread it in thread if u feel theyre relevant

Wait no

ABR and votato also voted chkflip

Like there was an entire wagon on chkflip before you voted him

That was a roller coaster

Well, to be fair, I do tend to come up with all them wild conspiracy theories where my brain finds patterns everywhere and then refuses to see any other truth

Interesting.

Interesting.

So lilith continues to take the case seriously. She's searching for answers, and finds some easy way to gently discredit it. She swoops the "main argument" that chkflip had already been voted earlier. There even was an entire wagon on chkflip. She still ignores the fact that Maria voted for most of those people, which included her and Farside. Shading 3 of the people attacking chkflip.

When it becomes an entire wagon of people, maria shading/voting all those people isn’t necessarily related to chkflip. When it was just 1 person, yes. When it was 3 people, I could still see it. But a whole wagon of people corresponding to votes makes a really weak correlation. Maria could have voted for everyone in the game and she still would have voted for all the people on the chkflip wagon. You even said yourself that including me and farside in this theory weakens the case.

Then in come DC and Vokuto and redicule people calling my case interesting. Lilith realizes noone is actually taking it seriously, and completely stops engaging the idea.

She never talks to me again, never mentions me again, untill the big wagon on me starts. Here she just comes in, votes, and claims im scum and need to die.

I wasn’t online to do any of those things and I revoted you the next time I was back in the thread. I actually thought I revoted you before when I said “no chkflip actually had a whole wagon on him” but I guess I forgot to.

Never any thoughts back to this earlier interaction. If she actually was town taking me serious there, why not at least go over the fact that that was some pretty creative shit scum dont pull off that easily? Why suddenly forgot you called me town for it earlier (even though you feel you removed some part of the main argument).

Farside also called this vote out as bussing, and it does look weak, as a hop on.

It might not mean shit, but it sure feels very iffy. Iffy in a, this was done to me, but the reasoning and progression dont feel genuine.

Yeah cause I still think you’re scum. Apparently when I try to explain my progressions I get called fencesitty for it so I’m just not doing that anymore.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i actually love her as a player in this game, shes a cool person, a good player. I'll apologize to everyone if I'm wrong about her.

Her and maria are the only players confident enough to kill smart and FB but not me and don.