Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we stop trying to fucking lynch with over 6 days left when one of the ICs has made all of about 10 posts today

Tell that to the vecna wagon yesterday

[DonCorleone]

I literally did

[Albert B. Rampage]

The only argument I see for Vecna/Lilith not being scum together is the fact Firebringer said as much and now he's dead. Assume the team is Eyescott/Lilith/Vecna. Would they be that scared to kill Fir-wait I should stop going into NKA

NKA is trash.

VOTE: Vecna

[DonCorleone]

UNVOTE: — my opinion hasn’t changed but I can’t remember what VC is and I don’t want this to get too high yet

[Albert B. Rampage]

i'm good and ready for my part.

[DonCorleone]

Fine, then we know where you're stood, ease off and let's wait for icon to get into thread and give his reads on shit once he's caught up

also, I'd like to see anything resembling solving from chkflip before the day ends

[farside22]

All youre busy doing is trying to make me look bad here or now draw connections between me and lilith Farside

There is no progression on you, just agenda. That is how it feels to me right now. The fact you cannot even take a step back and also view it from the other lens is just continuing to look bad.

And ill readily admit I have plenty of contradictions and jumps in my iso. ive stated plenty of times my logic was bad due to not having focussed enough on the new pool of suspects. The scum wouldve already known they werent going to cc the guns and were dealing with IC's. I have not had to live wtih that reality until very recent. You also know im currently playing a bunch of games.

Ive been deathtunneling DC for a significant part of the game, and ive been working under the general assumption that lilith has been a lot more towny than a significant part of the playerlist.

Ive also ignored you for the majority of the game.

Ill own all that shit, no problem.

And even after all those flaws ill come out proving im town. So tough luck for scum, and tough luck for you if youre part of that group.

Gee i wonder why i find you scummy. Nevermind the back and forth of trying not to lynch lilith.

I’m still thinking it’s vecna tbh

Yup.

lilith has offered zero game solves. I don't buy anything she says.

Her "fuck it" knightmare vote yesterday is scummy.

POE says she's scum.

Her vecna vote with all the unconfirmed is bad.

The evidence is too strong.

Well i dont see it from chkflip either. Or eye. Both sould say who there scum reading and why.

Farside is just trying to bury me in "my townyness will destroy you

This made me lol.

[chkflip]

also, I'd like to see anything resembling solving from chkflip before the day ends

Wrong neighborhood.

[MariaR]

Teaching children is torture.

Well, so is this so time to catch up wooo

[DonCorleone]

There’s a couple of things I’m waiting for you to respond to, I’ll be around but not necessarily all the time

[Vecna]

Farside, youre either scum or you need to take that ego down a bunch of notches

Youre hard tunneling on town and most people in this game can see that by now

[MariaR]

@maria my scumread originated from your predecessor tho

That’s fine, but what about me myself? I’ve made enough posts that you should be able to read me.

Without quoting all of the reasons for Vecnas tr on Votato let me explain how the main crux of the townread is incorrect. The ‘idgaf these are my reads’ style. As someone who has used that style they’re not using it. Votato was pretty relaxed during this day phase with his ‘I could vote anyone’ style. That’s fine, because I was kinda in the same boat. But if you check, the moment his name comes out of my mouth he hit the gas and started having ‘solves’ out of left field.

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

What makes it so impossible that scum could be bussing? What’s your view on the gamestate right now ABR? Because you’re acting like we auto loss if we lynch town. That could be the case, or it might not be. The thing is we have no idea and we shouldn’t let that play into our reads.

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

Scum don't bus? Since when?
He is using Ad hom logic and literally is buddying you.
The writing is on the wall and not voting venca is a declaration of being his scum buddy.

Why would scum bus at mylo following you?

All the conftown are off the wagon. That tells me something.

He's being wagoned!!! There is no reason not to vote there. They can now push a mylo based on your logic.
You want to vote lilith and we can go back to this discussion that is fine, but there is no way I believe he is town. He litterally is using a false "Why would i do that as scum" BS that scum fucking do all the fucking time!
If you could see how much I'm just looking at you ABR like you have lost your mind to listen to him as he pushes Maria and me as scum.
There is obviously no way for him to come up with a good scum team because he would have to point to his own freekin scum buddies. That is how deep that shit is that he stepped in.

*grumbles*

^^^^

[MariaR]

I don’t mind if you scumread me, I just hope it’s for stuff here.

I don’t scumread you though. I actually hard, hard townread you, I’m just worried I’m wrong because it always feels shitty when I hard townread scum.

Is there like a law of mafia or something that says “the greater the townread on a player known to be good at scumplay, the greater the paranoia you will feel”?

I think that's just normal human emotion. But I'm not gonna go into full psychological theory because I could rant on that for ages. It's my major for a reason

[Albert B. Rampage]

The PT conversation of "hey lets kill non-confirmed townies and bus vecna tomorrow" is improbable.

If scum had a bussing strategy why kill FB and smart? Just kill IC

Scum wanted to all win together and got impatient w vecna wagon

Vecna vote back on or I give up on you and vote you

Scum got too cocky with their kills. Same pattern with vecna quicklynch.

[MariaR]

I think eyestott figures in nearly every team I have, I want him to die.

I think my biggest problem right now is I think Vecna is scum and he just needs to die but we don’t have the support for it.
Eyescott can be scum in every team and is like, never a bad choice here and Votato is showing their cards. But that team is so wacky so I have to replace one of them with Lilith. Because Votato/Vecna/Eyescott isn’t a team I think is confident enough to win the game. Because of the 2 paths scum can take.

[MariaR]

You're wrong ABR. But I'll get to you after I'm done

[MariaR]

If chkflip isn’t scum then it means that either all 3 scum committed on the push, or vecna is scum who was being double bussed

It makes a lot of sense for scum Vecna to be double bussed with how scum planned this you know this right?

Everyone knows this right? (Besides ABR)

[Albert B. Rampage]

If they were planning on bussing and smart or FB are right, they just kill me/don and sheep smart/FB into their buddy, then kill off FB/smart later

It doesnt make sense for them to kill smart and FB without an all in strategy involving all 3 scum surviving

[MariaR]

Maria, could you vote with me on eyestott please?

VOTE: Eyescott

[Albert B. Rampage]

also when you bus you want to exploit how townie you are, drag it out. They tried to quicklynch vecna.

[MariaR]

I think my current solve is (eyestott, chkflip, votato/vecna)

We may not be in mylo which we should know tomorrow if the game isn’t over, meaning we’d still have 1 mislynch left I think

I can’t get over the idea that S_S may have been killed not just because he was eminently reasonable but also because he correctly perceived that there is not necessarily a scum in (farside, Lilith, Maria)

I don't see a world where Votato/Vecna is scum and the other isn't.

[MariaR]

Let me leave this question for everyone because I thought this was obvious while I go do something.

Why did scum shoot roses over guns and not cc?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me leave this question for everyone because I thought this was obvious while I go do something.

Why did scum shoot roses over guns and not cc?

Confidence.

We should look at all the ppl who suggested don and i kill each other day1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch? I'm gonna UNVOTE: DC. Its not just that he's shouting, its that he seems to be insisting on things that make sense. Therefore, VOTE: cakez.

@farside: still waiting on you to explain your flip-flop in more detail. The algorithm has nothing to do with them being on or off the wagon. It has nothing to do with the content of any posts. Its based on posting patterns, and I don't want to reveal any details in case it proves to be accurate. It probably isnt.

Can we lynch this?

VOTE: votato

[Vecna]

I said the same things.

Its not like town dont get frustrated when people make a fuss the way that was being created there with people forcing all attention on themselves.

I think youre underestimating how natural it can be to call for such things when youre not realizing those people are future ICs.