Micro 937 / Reservoir Dogs DDU / Game Over!

[Ame]

RCE, Enter being included is inherently tied to whether she was posting as if there were three scum. If you do not believe she thought Enter was a real player, then she was not posting as if there were 3 scum. Your reasoning is insincere. I am certain you are scum.

UNVOTE: Shiki

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Everyone

, I will not lynch anyone other than RCE today. Join me in this endeavor. Let us rid of the cop before our eyes.

[Ame]

L0: You are town who town reads Shiki
L1: You are scum with TMI on town Shiki
L2: You are scum with scum Shiki hoping that I will operate within L1.

Yes, these are the options.

Additionally, you spent 4 minutes contemplating how to respond to this portion of my post, likely because I was correct. This is not the response of a townie. It is highly likely Shiki is your partner, otherwise you would have refuted this argument as wifom as is the typical response.

[Ame]

Your response effuses scum uncertain of how to respond. It is that of one who is self-conscious and feels they need to respond in a way that brushes off the accusation. It is unnatural, however. I do not know how to explain it further than this, but I have faith that intuitives such as conspire will understand where I am coming from.

[RCEnigma]

RCE, Enter being included is inherently tied to whether she was posting as if there were three scum. If you do not believe she thought Enter was a real player, then she was not posting as if there were 3 scum. Your reasoning is insincere. I am certain you are scum.

UNVOTE: Shiki

@

Everyone

, I will not lynch anyone other than RCE today. Join me in this endeavor. Let us rid of the cop before our eyes.

No, Enter being included is completely irrelevant. Its not even a complex thing idk how you're getting confused.

It's the fact she implied more scum than are present in the setup.

[Ame]

There is no implication because Enter is not a player. It is simple. You are forcing it to be something it is not.

[RCEnigma]

Same I'll level with you. I don't think you're scum I think you're burying yourself in a tunnel. With that said if it comes down to you or me, it won't be me.

[RCEnigma]

There is no implication because Enter is not a player. It is simple. You are forcing it to be something it is not.

Pops responded to it so it isn't nothing. She understood the implication.

[RCEnigma]

L0: You are town who town reads Shiki
L1: You are scum with TMI on town Shiki
L2: You are scum with scum Shiki hoping that I will operate within L1.

Yes, these are the options.

Additionally, you spent 4 minutes contemplating how to respond to this portion of my post, likely because I was correct. This is not the response of a townie. It is highly likely Shiki is your partner, otherwise you would have refuted this argument as wifom as is the typical response.

What? You listed every option and said it can only be these. All of the possible options.

So yes. You're right.

[Ame]

She responded to it by demonstrating how silly it was for you to presume she was implying three scum.

[Ame]

I did not state it could be one of those. I specifically said it was Layer 2. I listed them for your convenience. I'll accept that you misinterpreted. However, the point that you took 4 minutes to respond to that portion, and were thus contemplating how to responds, stands.

[RCEnigma]

Why does pops making light of it diminish the argument?

[RCEnigma]

I did not state it could be one of those. I specifically said it was Layer 2. I listed them for your convenience. I'll accept that you misinterpreted. However, the point that you took 4 minutes to respond to that portion, and were thus contemplating how to responds, stands.

This isn't the only thing I've got going on. Sorry?

[Ame]

It doesn't diminish the argument. It diminishes your counter to the argument. The argument is diminished by the reasoning in 325/329.


@Pedit: You specifically omitted the second portion of my post during your initial response and then responded to it 4 minutes later. It's not like you responded to a separate post. So business is not a factor at all. If you were busy, you simply would have responded to the entirety of the post later. You deliberately left that portion out as you weren't sure how or even if you were going to respond.

[RCEnigma]

"but enter isn't a player" isn't a counter to the argument if that isn't relevant to my argument on the first place.

They were two separate points. I answered them separately.

[Ame]

I don't think it's necessary to continue this further. I've stated my case, you've stated your rebuttal. My mind isn't changing. Let us see where everyone else stands.

[Conspire]

@Ame; shiki had good reasoning/evidence of thoughts for why she wanted adopt a more lighthearted playstle, so I think her decision to play like that is NAI.

~Esper

[Conspire]

Spoiler: Reservoir Dog spoilers

Good idea, Isis. I didn't realise we could just use these to converse to make up for the lack of daytalk. What do you think of pushing S_S? it could be useful to get him out of the way early.

nice to see things are happening! catching up on this now

~Esper

[Conspire]

oh intersting, i have a headache as well, but it's ok since i've been taking some Metal Powder recently

~Esper

[Conspire]

i agree with what Ame is saying here. i struggle to believe RCEnigma actually thought scum!Isis would be trying to go for a townslip by stating there's 3 scum in a 9 player setup, especially when it's pretty obvious it was a joke with the mod being included.

@RCEnigma; you mentioned you think Isis is mechically smort and wouldn't make a mistake like that. so why is your conclusion scum!her is going for a pretty dumb slip which should be unbelievable given her reputation, rather than her making a harmless joke?

going to check the votes

~Esper

[Conspire]

oh i forgot we were voting for everyone

(¬_¬)*

~Esper

[Mr Pink]

VOTE: ame

[RCEnigma]

My conclusion was it was worth a vote.

[shiki]

Cosmic, regarding 318, as town, Shiki would have not reacted to my push at all. For example, see this thread. It may not be open just yet, but I voiced suspicions of Shiki similarly to here and she had no reaction to it. She was more concerned with progressing the game than managing my perception of her. This is primarily why I am reading her reaction the way I am here.

i think that game is not a great example as i was discussing the suspicions you voiced in another thread, as is the nature of games heavily reliant on neighbourhoods. in fact, i first heard of those suspicions in this thread:

viewtopic.php?p=11754853#p11754853

you had the working knowledge that i was wrong about you in that game which i did not gain until very recently. i obviously should have been more suspicious of you there and perhaps reacted differently, but i did not have that knowledge at that time nor at the time i was reacting to your scumread of me in the game we are currently playing.

I also alluded to suspicions of Shiki in the first game we played together and her reaction was first that of inquiry (183, bottom). And another reaction with good faith analysis (314).

at least i played pretty well in that game. not as well as you perhaps as your day two gambit was quite well executed but it is probably the brightest spot for me so far in terms of my gameplay. i am demotivated enough as it is and arguing that my faith here is just as good as my faith there even if the analysis itself may not be as good here as it was there feels outside of the realm of possibility.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake snapped back into this reality.

VOTE: SS & Isis
UNVOTE: Conspire

"If you see the truth, you will see how my actions are beneficial."

[Isis]

UNVOTE: all
VOTE: RCEnigma
VOTE: Jake The Wolfie