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[LuckyLuciano]

Yeah, i don't think that point really applies, plus that vagon was kinda weird,

i don't think that scum would've needed to stay off this one

uhhh...? I don't know why but the bolded part seems to me like a scum slip.

My argument was about scum being on the wagon, not scum being off the wagon.
That one line seems like you know that even though scum if off the wagon, scum didn't have to stay off the wagon as it was weird.

^

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm not agreeing with enomis' change in perspective on Gypyx. Gypyx's post reads as if he's scum and discussed how the votes should be distributed in the mafia PT.

[Petrichorus]

3. Your insistence on scum-scum associations is scummy in itself. We have a flip of BV who had fk all interactions with anyone, so no idea why you are so obsessed with scum partner analysis - it doesnt feel like you are genuinely hunting scum, but rather as thought you are trying to widen your lynch pool as much as possible.

I read Petri as considering how different possible night kills cast suspicion on different players. I'm not seeing the scum-scum associative analysis that you are. I think it's rather odd, however, for Petri to be considering all these hypotheticals immediately after wanting to "avoid a WIFOM discussion". It feels like content for the sake of content.

I don't think discussing all the possibilities for scum decisions to be content for content's sake, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Do you have any views regarding these hypotheticals or are you comfortable dismissing them off-hand.
I like to put out there my thinking and I like my logic challenged. In addition, I posited one hypothetical situation as I see it. The flip-susp discussion was not birthed by me, although I was quite lengthy in my take on it I suppose.

[LuckyLuciano]

I mostly skimmed them, if I'm being honest. I think that the mafia picks their kills for a reason, not by random. Therefore I believe that mafia either killed fwog because they saw him as a threat (power role, accurate reads), or because they intended to execute some sort of plan following his flip. Gypyx immediately pushed a NK-inspired agenda as soon as the day began, which also shows a sudden shift in read on me between the end of D1 and the beginning of D2. This all fits into the second part of what I just said, it looks like he is executing a plan that was made possible by killing fwog.

What do you think about him possibly scum slipping when talking about the mafia not needing to stay off of yesterday's wagon?

[Petrichorus]

I think that the pushing of the agenda is a lot more scummy than the possible slip. The message itself seems kinda rushed: 'vagon' for example. My guess is that it was typed quickly, possibly from their phone. I don't think it's a strong scumlean but worth keeping in mind, especially given the other posts that do fit a scum-play.

Alright fair enough about the skimming I suppose. One question then, how many scum do you feel were on that wagon, given current reads?

[LuckyLuciano]

I think slips are more common when the message is rushed. It means they didn't have time to catch it before posting.

I don't know how many scum were on the wagon. I'm not sure if it's worth digging into. The lynch was pretty universally supported. Scum could have positioned themselves anywhere, especially after BV checked back in to let us know he was mentally checked out.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Hey, @Enomis, you feel connected to the game yet? It seems like it's been a bit difficult even up till now. Despite replacing someone a while ago.

It seems your last two votes on Micc and Gypx seem pretty based on you not paying attention. Do you have any strong reads?

VOTE: Enomis

[LuckyLuciano]

What in the actual fuck? Could you help me understand how you arrived at the point you're at now?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Reading Enomis?
They vote Micc, asking for them to explain their Petri vote/unvote. Micc had already done so pretty clearly in the game already. Does it again, sighting their original explanation. Enomis unvotes.

Their Gyp vote/unvote also seems based in miscommunication of Enomis part.

Combine that with a high number of posts of them saying they need to reread, or have read closely, creates a pattern of not really paying attention. And going through their ISO I see them asking a lot of questions, but don't have much of a understanding where they stand.

[Petrichorus]

I understand your point, and I agree, Enomis should improve. Do you think that it's AI?

That said, I'd like to know whether you think it's most important to vote and wagon Enomis based on performance rather than on scumleans. Make a case for it.

We don't have a lot of time and we need to get more information from those we already expect. Myself included if that's where suspicions lie.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I understand your point, and I agree, Enomis should improve. Do you think that it's AI?

That said, I'd like to know whether you think it's most important to vote and wagon Enomis based on performance rather than on scumleans. Make a case for it.

We don't have a lot of time and we need to get more information from those we already expect. Myself included if that's where suspicions lie.

Remind me to answer once I have a response.

As for pursuing what's already on the table. I'm not convinced by once be put against Gyp, and I don't scum read you. So no, pushing you two isn't something I'm interested. What would help is more people posting in general. Which I'm at fault for as well.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Also @Lucky, can you explain your scum read of Petri now?

[Petrichorus]

Activity Report:

Micc- Last Post: 45 hours
Enomis- Last Post: 20 hours
72offsuit- Last Post: 23 hours (activity notice) 48 hours (last post)
Gypyx- Last Post: 21 hours
Lucky, Petrichorus and Tuxedo - Posted within 12 hours

@Karnage, please prod Micc

Not looking good for us if this continues to be the pace.
Time passed in D2: 68 hours
Time until D2 ends: 100 hours

Posts in D2:
72offsuit - 6, excluding activity notice
enomis - 11
Gypyx - 7
Lucky - 22
Micc - 2
Petrichorus - 11
Tuxedo Mask - 16

Although not necessarily AI, we can't win with this activity.
VOTE: Micc

[Karnage]

Mod Note

Micc has been prodded. They have have (expired on 2020-05-09 09:01:13) to post before being replaced.

[Micc]

oof. I've been playing way too much civ 6. I have some other stuff to do first but will be here in like 30 minutes

[Petrichorus]

I understand that feeling. Get up to speed and weigh in on what you can please.

[72offsuit]

Guess, whose back, back again

[72offsuit]

WARNING: flurry of posts

Finally able to get my thoughts together, not looking forward to paying for the locksmith.

[Micc]

VOTE: Petri

@72offsuit: What are your thougts with respect to the first paragraph of Petrichorus's 458 being a newbie town-slip?

Spoiler:

Definitely not who I expected tonight. I expected a general townread to go. Tux at the top of that list. Still, WIFOM when trying to figure out what the mafia are thinking. On the earlier note of Masonry, I hadn't considered that. This isn't a question to catch someone out, but a genuine newb question. Does a mafia special action happen alongside a kill or at a different time. I.e. if there was a rolecop or blocker does their action happen seperately chronologically or alongside? I'm assuming that the latter is the case, otherwise mafia rolecop would be OP.

oh hi. I saved my post as a draft and kindly ask that you answer this before I make my post. thanks!

[72offsuit]

Reads list first

[72offsuit]

then ill do thread responses

[72offsuit]

I'll do a single post per player

[72offsuit]

i think a wall of text will be too much

[72offsuit]

hm post 523

[72offsuit]

now im going to shamelessly steal a pagetop