Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Iconeum]

I don’t think that (eyestott, votato, chkflip) is that unlikely either. They’re the slots that are collectively the least interested in solving the game imo

i'm not that far away from you then

[Iconeum]

like, that's a realistic shooting bracket imo

[farside22]

I don’t feel confident enough that any of the active and posting slots is scum over any of the bad slots who are not producing content. If I have to choose between flipping one or the other here I’d rather try to do a lower content slot so it can’t be mislynch bait in mylo/lylo tomorrow, even if it’s a gamble that the game doesn’t end tonight.

So far I’m unpersuaded that Lilith is scum. If I change my mind when I’m planning to try to read through the game so far tomorrow I might change my mind. You going off on how I’m an egotistical bastard isn’t going to have that effect, regardless of the truth value or not of that statement

I am going to keep this brief.
Lilith has not made a case to why I am scum. If you read back she is using interactions with non flips to provide a case and my push on DC.
That is it. Whereas she changed her views depending on what others are saying. She did it again just now.
Venca did not make a case why i was scum. He basically called my rose claim fake (at first) then called it scummy.
Again thats it.
You want to chase those lurkers I'd vote eye or chk but i swear i have no clue which. Id lean on eye based on wagon analysis

[farside22]

Oh and its freeking 5am and this fucking game got into my sleep. I hate it.

[Vecna]

If all the slots making content are scum and all the slots not doing shit are town then I’d rather have that cleared up today if it’s not GG than have to wifom about whether eyestott is scum or just not here because IRL

I actually approve this sentiment completely.

If eyestott is actually town here and wont pick up the slack, he's going to tank this game for town by being a mislynch at some point regardless.

Our best chance for a victory is lynching him and pray he actually flips red

[Vecna]

VOTE: Eyestott

[Iconeum]

VOTE: eyestot

[Vecna]

Someone (maybe me) should meta votato against this now that it’s over

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82731

I guess we can both do it and compare notes.

For me comparing it to this just further reinforces my view that potato is obvtown here. some reasoning:

-In this game early on he also kept going on about being new, and being oblivious to the fact he's actually playing pretty pretty well for a new guy. His posting style also got him in trouble, but he managed to talk himself out of it just barely.
-The way he gets suspicious of people is eerily similair to this game. Look at his Baezu read progression in that game, and compare it to his growing suspicion of me this game. And then how his suspicion of me instantly vanishes. It also made me realize he actually uses similar techniques as me to scumhunt people. By comparing their thought trajectory to his own. Thats also the exact reason he towncleared me after his suspicion was over the max.
-The same posting style of many short to the point comments, mixed with the occasional slightly bigger post going into deeper thoughts. The level of reasoning does not seem mightily different from here. He did do a few wall quote posts in that game, which I dont think he did here, but that is hardly any evidence of anything at all.

[Vecna]

Like. I think votato and vecna may be scum. But the eyestott and chkflip slots are both terrible. And conf town is seeing something in Lilith along with my top TR and a softclear thinking that’s scum.

Do you really think me putting in so much effort to get people to townread votato comes from a S-S pairing? really?

How is that any level of smart play in any game ever, when the entire playlist is suspicious of both our slots?

Im putting in this effort because _EVERYONE IS WRONG_ on -BOTH- our slots.

[chkflip]

Just maintained my Risk undefeated streak ama

VOTE: eyestott[/unvote]

[chkflip]

VOTE: eyestott*

[Vecna]

fucking hell page 125/126 are depressing.

ABR/DC for the love of chocolate chip cookies, can you turn off the ego thing now and focus on actually winning the game instead of putting eachother down?

@DC his reads on you and cakez mightve been wrong, but they came from town. Think about that. Also realize that lilith is still harping on about that as her reason to continue to scumread me now

[Vecna]

VOTE: eyestot

I have no right to ask you for anything here, but in the case this does flip town, please shoot chkflip

If its scum follow your own gut I guess.

[Vecna]

I mean it’s not that wagon in particular but that you seem to just follow whatever major wagon is happening at the time

thats not true either, is it? i stood up to the knightmare wagon, my own wagon, the maria wagon, the toiushetrset wagon... today ive also made it pretty clear that there are some wagons i will not support. i wont vote farside, i wont vote vecna now, im starting to come around on soeituh, but was pretty adamant about not voting there either earlier.

yesterday i was the first im aware of to FoS farside, was very early yesterday to FoS lilith. Today I think i was the first to actually vote lilith. i wasnt just on the vecna wagon, i was arguing my case there. you might not like my reasoning. but you cant say that i've been sheeping for the majority of the game. you also cant say that ive been on whatever wagon was most popular. ive stuck my neck in some nasty places for people i now scumread, and im now sticking my neck out for people i previously scumread. and i think the progression on those people is clearly laid out in my iso.

Like, I know this counts on you knowing my alignment, but listen to this:

Why would a scum Votato change his mind on me while the wagon is still on a potential 5-6 votes? He realized he was wrong, and made a complete 180 jump from going to strongly scumread me to reading my reasoning and realizing it was too in-line with his own to be faked.

Do you think he is such a scum mastermind that he's already planning forward for the actual mylo/lylo situations with me in his pocket?

[Vecna]

This is before the DC vs ABR screamfest

I'm leaning towards Don c, lilith, and chk being scum.

This is after the screamfest in which you were on the DC wagon (btw, you unvoted DC in 1851)

DC's reads have consistently been similar to mine, which is hard to scumread for.

How do you go so quickly from "scumreading DC" until 1851 to "DC's reads have been similar to mine so I can't scumread him" in 1885?

my reasoning for sheeping a lot yesterday, and my reason for getting on the DC wagon, was that I knew i was new, and I was neither confident nor skilled. ABR seemed really confident, and i lent him my vote even being unsure of whether his logic was right. He seemed so confident that i figured there had to be 1 scum out of the 2, so either way DC flipped itd be worth it. I think most people wound up agreeing. So yes, I sheeped ABR. I think sheeping ABR worked out better than continuing as i had when i was going after farside. I dont think you could say that I'm sheeping today. And even yesterday when I wasnt confident, I didnt only sheep. I stood up to a few important wagons, as mentioned above. I think we all agree that my play was really bad early this game. But i also think that my play is better now.

Compare this post to the general sentiment in that other game DC.

[Vecna]

I don't think this addresses my problem with your progression on DC, which is that you're on his wagon and advocating for his lynch and then once other people start to push back, you just come in with this post out of nowhere as if you had been townreading him all along - which, if you had, 1) why were you voting him for so long? and 2) also contradicts your earlier statements that you were scumreading him.

Also it's not particularly the sheeping that I see as problematic, but rather the timing of your joining major wagons - in the middle of all the wagons I pointed out, which comes across that you're hesitant to put your vote down on major wagons. I think opposing major wagons also falls into this category? Like in your D1 play it seems like you're afraid to join wagons that you think will come to fruition. Knightmare, maria, and eyestott wagons, which are the ones you say you opposed, were all viable lynches at end of day 1. Also I think maria and eyestott might be your buddies in which case it makes sense that you'd be hesitant to join a wagon on them.

Regardless, I think this lilith reasoning also comes from town in most cases

[Vecna]

The scumteam probably just is Eyestott + Maria + chkflip here

Maaaaaybe with an outside chance of Farside, but id be happy killing off all those 3 other slots first

[Vecna]

lilith has been missing a lot recently but was pretty solid earlygame as well

[Vecna]

Anyways, if Farside continues to scumread me here regardless of my performance it should be a strong scumtell given all the recent experiences

[Vecna]

Btw, do you guys remember me calling out FArside on using ad homs where they were not even that?

There was no clapback on that whatsoever. No snappy comeback

[farside22]

VOTE: eyestot

I have no right to ask you for anything here, but in the case this does flip town, please shoot chkflip

If its scum follow your own gut I guess.

The scumteam probably just is Eyestott + Maria + chkflip here

Maaaaaybe with an outside chance of Farside, but id be happy killing off all those 3 other slots first

Just curious about why you tell Icon to shot chkflip if eye is town but then list him as scum with eye.

[Vecna]

VOTE: eyestot

I have no right to ask you for anything here, but in the case this does flip town, please shoot chkflip

If its scum follow your own gut I guess.

The scumteam probably just is Eyestott + Maria + chkflip here

Maaaaaybe with an outside chance of Farside, but id be happy killing off all those 3 other slots first

Just curious about why you tell Icon to shot chkflip if eye is town but then list him as scum with eye.

Because Votato is my ride or die townread, and as has been argued (but should maybe be revisited) the scumteam is unlikely to be Lilith + Maria + Farside

So if Stott flips town, that pretty much means that chkflip is going to flip red after eating a bullet

[farside22]

VOTE: eyestot

I have no right to ask you for anything here, but in the case this does flip town, please shoot chkflip

If its scum follow your own gut I guess.

The scumteam probably just is Eyestott + Maria + chkflip here

Maaaaaybe with an outside chance of Farside, but id be happy killing off all those 3 other slots first

Just curious about why you tell Icon to shot chkflip if eye is town but then list him as scum with eye.

Because Votato is my ride or die townread, and as has been argued (but should maybe be revisited) the scumteam is unlikely to be Lilith + Maria + Farside

So if Stott flips town, that pretty much means that chkflip is going to flip red after eating a bullet

That really doesn't explain it. It's like a walk around response.
The way you have it listed is chkflip is scum regardless of alignment?? It's a question because you have scum with eye, but Icon should shot who he wants if eye is scum.
If eye is town shot chpflip?
You clearly listed chpflip as scum with eye. So I'm just confused if you think chkflip is scum or it's your not sure.

[Vecna]

VOTE: eyestot

I have no right to ask you for anything here, but in the case this does flip town, please shoot chkflip

If its scum follow your own gut I guess.

The scumteam probably just is Eyestott + Maria + chkflip here

Maaaaaybe with an outside chance of Farside, but id be happy killing off all those 3 other slots first

Just curious about why you tell Icon to shot chkflip if eye is town but then list him as scum with eye.

Because Votato is my ride or die townread, and as has been argued (but should maybe be revisited) the scumteam is unlikely to be Lilith + Maria + Farside

So if Stott flips town, that pretty much means that chkflip is going to flip red after eating a bullet

That really doesn't explain it. It's like a walk around response.
The way you have it listed is chkflip is scum regardless of alignment?? It's a question because you have scum with eye, but Icon should shot who he wants if eye is scum.
If eye is town shot chpflip?
You clearly listed chpflip as scum with eye. So I'm just confused if you think chkflip is scum or it's your not sure.

This is nonsense

If stott is scum, the number of possible combinations increases by an order of magnitude

If he is town, given my assumptions, it narrows down to only 2 possible scenarios:

1:Maria + Farsight + Lilith as a team - aka the one noone wants to explore where chkflip is town
2: Chkflip + 2 of (maria/lilith/Farside)

Thus, if stott flips town, chkflip is guaranteed scum to me unless it is exactly scenario 1

[Vecna]

if stott flips scum, he can be scum with anyone in (Maria/Farside/Lilith/chkflip)

3!5 is a lot of options