| Target | Wagon |
|---|---|
Alisae (4) | humaneatingmonkey (1559), votato (1560), NorwegianboyEE (1583), Looker (1732) |
NorwegianboyEE (3) | Elements (1717), Alisae (1720), Firebringer (1721) |
Not Voting (3) | Deimos27, Green Crayons, Isis |
In post 1386, Green Crayons wrote:Okay this is just for me because maybe I can't even read VCs still.
Spoiler: elements counterwagon
My takeaways are:
1. Ali doesn't get town points for the hammer. She sat on Elements for a while and a final shift before Looker viewed the thread isn't AI.
But. Ali apparently didn't realize that Cycle voted for Elements before her, as she was asking Cycle to vote Elements in Post 1047 and Post 1049. This mistake was because of an inaccurate VC, as noted by mod comment in Post 1056. The fact that Ali's mistake appears tied to an incorrect VC leads me to believe that it was genuine.
So here's the Q: would Ali-scum follow Cycle-scum's vote onto Elements and call for Cycle-scum to vote Elements even though he already had--without knowing that Cycle-scum had actually made that vote when there is daytalk? I don't think so. I think scum pay close attention to what their teammates do, including keeping in mind what they post (like votes). I suppose it's possible that Ali-scum was lazy and only checked VCs (but VCs aren't necessarily up-to-date accurate); or that Ali-scum missed this if scumteam are like "okay let's try to not use daytalk as much as possible," but literally daytalk is their only advantage in this game so I'm not adopting that rationale as a basis to justify a potential scum theory.
Anyway. I'm feeling more secure about Ali-town, despite the weird Ali-Cycle-Norwegian mashup.
2. Norwegian, votato, and ABR all failed to actually give reasons for their Elements vote. votato gave reasons why he should be voting other people. ABR gave reasons why he shouldn't have voted Elements to counter the Cycle wagon. I think that makes each of them suspicious for their separate reasons.
As scum (typically) want to socially distance on votes, because Norwegian was the closest-in-time to Cycle-scum's Elements vote (skipping Ali), he's less suspicious. Also, while Norwegian didn't give a reason for his vote, he doesn't have extra baggage like votato or ABR.
I don't really know which of votato's (giving reasons to vote other players) or ABR's (giving reasons to not join the Elements counterwagon) additional baggage is more suspicious. I'm disinclined to believe that 3 scum were on the Elements-wagon, though, so they're both on my shortlist for today.
3. Looker has limited access relative to everyone else, and so his lack of involvement in all of these goings on is not AI.
I have 20 pages to catch up on again oh lordIn post 1415, Isis wrote:He's playing townier than his town meta and I'm confused. I mean maybe that's a bad thing because I felt like to some extent his scumwin featured him adhering to orthodox play people want to see. He's convincing me it's organic here, though.In post 1377, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Isis, can I get a metaread on Elements and check if he's still playing to his town meta?
I definitely can't say "he's playing to his town meta here", Ank explained me this really tricky way to townread him in fusion that I had to read like 4 times to understand, then it made sense to me and I was happy sheeping it all the way to postgame discussion, but my understanding of it was fleeting enough I don't remember it quite. But it definitely wasn't, like, "look at this relatively orthodox postflip solve"
Whatever you do, don't ask Elements to meta himself please, he might get modkilled, continue directing questions to me
no, i need u for the golden final team.In post 1881, humaneatingmonkey wrote:By the way, if Alisae is town here, I'm willing to be lynched tomorrow. That's how confident I am.
if ali really is town then maybe we can put you in the final team. we can punish you by making you play for not solving the game now.In post 1883, Firebringer wrote:no, i need u for the golden final team.In post 1881, humaneatingmonkey wrote:By the way, if Alisae is town here, I'm willing to be lynched tomorrow. That's how confident I am.
Don't lynch ali
u can't force me to play the game.In post 1884, votato wrote:if ali really is town then maybe we can put you in the final team. we can punish you by making you play for not solving the game now.
Good sir.In post 1886, Firebringer wrote:my scumreaad of deimos is returning. I think he is in that scum territory of having a hard time to catch up to the game. A player like him would be rejuvenated by scum flip to solve and he is dropping off hard.
Do in game V/LA ?In post 1890, Deimos27 wrote:I have exams in a week.
I am still triggered. I want to kill Norway because I hate the player and save you because I like you, but I admittedly let my biases get the best of me. Then with the hundreds of posts to comb through, it's a bit much. Also, aren't certain alts for certain playstyles?In post 1761, Alisae wrote:dude
I need to sleep its 8am
you have everything you need to determine that I'm not scum here. I told you everything you need to know.
I trust you to correctly identify me as town here because I know you can.
There was still plenty to be analysed D2, from figuring out the strong associatives to VCA etc. Like even if deciding to hammer a wagon within about 24 hours of the day beginning can be attributed to hypermemeing town!Alisae, when do youIn post 1638, Alisae wrote:like I actually townread ABR because I thought his reads were townie
hammered him anyways
1. They hammered scum out of two competing wagons. Surface level analysis is that scum would stay on Elements wagon or choose to no lynch rather than hammer a buddy there, which is against their wincon. Hence hammering gives towncred. How deep in the WIFOM chain do you want to go when analysing scum motivation?In post 1820, Green Crayons wrote:Yeah, so I just reread D3 up to this post and you haven't explained it.In post 1787, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ali makes this narrative that I haven't explained but it's really all over my ISO. check it.
Like:
You obviously think Ali is scum because she hammered by Cycle and ABR. But you haven't spelled out why that makes her confscum like you claim.In post 1559, humaneatingmonkey wrote:so we have a pattern. i'm not saying what, but there's a pattern.
let's get this obvscum out of the way VOTE: alisae
Most of your posts against her aren't compelling.
Also, I know nobody is really paying attention to my homework, but I'm not convinced of a Cycle-Ali team based on this:
Spoiler: GC homework
