Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Alisae]

I feel like a deflated balloon

just lynch on my wagon and you win the game.
Thats all there is to it

[Isis]

I haven't read everything
Awful lynch
Happy to lynch heavily from the wagon and be part of a town that deserves to.lose and does if that doesn't repeatedly hit scum

[northsidegal]

Votecount 3.Final

Target	Wagon
Alisae (6)	humaneatingmonkey (1559), votato (1560), NorwegianboyEE (1583), Looker (1732), Deimos27 (1919), Elements (1958)
NorwegianboyEE (2)	Alisae (1720), Firebringer (1721)
Not Voting (2)	Green Crayons, Isis

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Alisae was lynched. E was a

Vanilla Townie

.

[northsidegal]

Day 4 begins.

Votecount 4.0

Target	Wagon
Not Voting (9)	humaneatingmonkey, votato, Deimos27, Elements, Green Crayons, Isis, NorwegianboyEE, Looker, Firebringer

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-17 07:52:59).

[humaneatingmonkey]

Motherfuck.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: Norwegian

[Deimos27]

You think my case is me confbiasing and you’re unsure that that is part of my scumgame.
Yet ur still making the decision to vote me

You claimed that you aggressively push narratives as scum. If making a massive case that starts from the premise scum!HEM = True to prove scum!HEM = True isn't pushing a narrative, I don't know what is. But that was a miniscule element of my scumread on you, and I specifically asked for confirmation whether you tend towards the same behaviourism as town.

Lmao monkey I don’t twilight troll
I’m town

Honestly if you were town, you were so bad.

I just understand the game more then you and you can’t accept that.
Thats all there is to it really.

You have such good understanding of the game that you misread Cycle Men, then proceeded to hammer him even though you townread him, then proceeded to hammer ABR 24 hours into D2 when you townread him, then proceeded to hardtunnel HEM/Norwee with an incredibly confbias case that you didn't defend even after I went and riddled it with holes. We can talk about this post-game, but you were

not

thinking clearly and there is no world where this play is pro-town, no matter how much you insist on justifying it solely with your transcendent "understanding".

I just saw scum hardbus to transition to wanting to promote the counterwagon to them when they started to play the game

Ie they wanted to bus when the slot was doing nothing, and save it when the slot was doing things

Yet HEM attacked it vigorously after Norwee comes off, and you scumread

him

. Yet Norwee's posts before hammer showed a great deal of apathy about a Cycle Men lynch, with hardly a sign of wanting to save it.

[Green Crayons]

Why are you arguing with a dead person?

[Deimos27]

ABR and Alisae flipping town mean I probably need to reassess some of my townreads.
GC, sell me on Norwegian.

I'm not convinced we can just vote inside the wagon and end the game. I thought the wagon had objective merit and could easily have been town-driven. Probably not a whole 2 scum outside it, though.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Thank you Deimos, I appreciate you — no matter what alignment.

[Green Crayons]

I see two good votes for today and so far I’m the only person who is voting.

ISO me and Ali and you’ll see Norwegian reasons.

Also the fact that more than half the game has called him scum but he still is around.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I also thought the wagon had objective merit and my tunnel was justified. Although I could have used some more of the time to discuss my reads with other people. I was convinced the wagon wasn't happening because scum wasn't bussing. Now, it could still be true, but there was a town POV in which it wasn't.

I'm sorry.

[Isis]

VOTE: Norwegian

this is the only post I read i'm drunk rn VOTE: Norwee blood for alibae

[Deimos27]

Why are you arguing with a dead person?

I'm annoyed both at Alisae's play and attitude there and would very much like to discuss it post-game.
These comments have relevance to the players still in the game too, though, in that it elaborates on my prior stance on Alisae and Norwegian.

I don't think just deadsheeping em is a good play. Putting weight on the reads of players that have flipped town is well and good, but you have to look at the reasoning and here it's clearly full of emotional confbias.

[Green Crayons]

Don’t gaslight me.

I’ve been pushing Norwegian, with varying strength, all game. In oft because I’ve been agreeing with Ali’s Norwegian-scum read all game.

Read the ISOs and vote Norwegian, or don’t.

[Deimos27]

pls dont tell me we are actually lynching ali

id rather be lynched than effort.

FB, this reads as incredibly TMI, can you

please

elaborate on why you were townreading Alisae so I can go back to thinking you're town thanks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also thought the wagon had objective merit and my tunnel was justified. Although I could have used some more of the time to discuss my reads with other people. I was convinced the wagon wasn't happening because scum wasn't bussing. Now, it could still be true, but there was a town POV in which it wasn't.

I'm sorry.

Hmm, HEM has overall seemed pretty sincere to me. And was a big reason i thought this wagon was justified and towndriven. Obviously i was wrong.
If i were to guess who scum inside this wagon would be i'll probably lean on Looker and Votato as my main suspicions by this point. Deimos townlean. Elements unsure.
Definitely scum outside of the wagon, i highly doubt they would all pile on a lynch like this. Especially since scum would know Alisae's flip beforehand and wouldn't want to make themselves look bad. Probably some joined their vote on me as i was the leading counter wagon. I do not believe GC is scum. Isis unsure because they weren't too active yesterday until the lynch happened sadly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Norwegian

this is the only post I read i'm drunk rn VOTE: Norwee blood for alibae

Drunk people shouldn't play mafia.

[Deimos27]

Don’t gaslight me.

I’ve been pushing Norwegian, with varying strength, all game. In oft because I’ve been agreeing with Ali’s Norwegian-scum read all game.

Read the ISOs and vote Norwegian, or don’t.

I'm gaslighting you? That was not my intent at any point in time. I'll scour your iso here in a sec if you won't quote the posts yourself; I trust you have reasoning independent of Ali's to be on the wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did Alisae townread Looker?

[Deimos27]

@Looker, what was your reasoning for voting Ali?
This ISO is confusing me, the Alisae vote felt like it came out of the blue.

Spoiler:

like looking at VCs a bit more, it does seem like ABR just didn’t want to bus Cycle Men.

In your opinion, how AI is a hammer?

What I am trying to get across is that Looker knows how I play as scum and should be able to identify the difference between that game and this game.

I know how you play with a single, shitty scum partner (hurling thinly-veiled insults at me in thread ), and with no daytalk.

no you're not
I want you to actually explain why that is scummy

Game aside, some players are

extremely

frustrating

Looker is a very easy read
when I was scum with him he didn't even make any real attempts to solve or play the game and when we were town together he correctly identified scum!noms in a way that was confident and he believed in himself and was actively trying to poke other slots and try to find the motivations of others.
I see the exact samething I did in that game in here.

I'm very susceptible to ego strokes.

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• It's nearly impossible to keep up with all this

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• @Green Crayons: I like the way you think. My signature's that way for a reason. You're validating my suspicions of Amrun, skitter30, nomnomnom, and so many other players that V/LA or get "angry" conveniently. You're definitely not alone on that one.
  
• @Firebringer: Are you taking into account individual players' post counts as either alignment?

like looking at VCs a bit more, it does seem like ABR just didn’t want to bus Cycle Men.

In your opinion, how AI is a hammer?

What I am trying to get across is that Looker knows how I play as scum and should be able to identify the difference between that game and this game.

I know how you play with a single, shitty scum partner (hurling thinly-veiled insults at me in thread ), and with no daytalk.

no you're not
I want you to actually explain why that is scummy

Game aside, some players are

extremely

frustrating

Looker is a very easy read
when I was scum with him he didn't even make any real attempts to solve or play the game and when we were town together he correctly identified scum!noms in a way that was confident and he believed in himself and was actively trying to poke other slots and try to find the motivations of others.
I see the exact samething I did in that game in here.

I'm very susceptible to ego strokes.

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• It's nearly impossible to keep up with all this

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• @Green Crayons: I like the way you think. My signature's that way for a reason. You're validating my suspicions of Amrun, skitter30, nomnomnom, and so many other players that V/LA or get "angry" conveniently. You're definitely not alone on that one.
  
• @Firebringer: Are you taking into account individual players' post counts as either alignment?

EBWOP: VOTE: Alisae

Looker
talk to me
why am I scum

I don't trust you hinging your alignment on me. That was a totally different game with different mechanics. And these shifting voting blocks are suspicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

HEM. What is your read on Firebringer? And your overall stance on the game knowing the Alisae flip?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I need to re-read the game and re-collect myself. My morale is low, so my I'm likely to sheep until I find my next tunnel.

[Elements]

VOTE: norwee

[NorwegianboyEE]

Elements, why don't you ever explain your votes?