Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[MariaR]

So both of you think I'm scum at the moment? Why

[DonCorleone]

I think the game probably makes more sense if the scum plan was to shoot roses and to then only need enough credit to get through today as insurance because of the plan to kill the final rose and win. So I think it's more likely that you and votato decided to both be on wagon in order to then push lilith today, which is exactly what you've both done

[DonCorleone]

chkflip, who was

Town

Night 1 Rose

, was

killed

in

Night 2

.

farside22, who was

Town

Night 1 Rose

, was

killed

in

Night 2

.

Vecna, who was

Town

Night 1 Rose

, was

killed

in

Night 2

.

why tf did you all take N1 goddamnit

[MariaR]

The game makes a lot of sense if you think of me as town. Plus I'm not pushing anyone. I care more about proving why I'm townie than pushing. You think I care who I put a vote on as long as it's not me?

[DonCorleone]

VOTE: Lilith

That's all I need to hear I suppose. Although having to convince ABR will prove to be...yeah

why not votato?

[Albert B. Rampage]

The game makes a lot of sense if you think of me as town. Plus I'm not pushing anyone. I care more about proving why I'm townie than pushing. You think I care who I put a vote on as long as it's not me?

You need to make a convincing case of why its the other two. All of you have the exact same goal here of painting a logical story from day 1 to now of why the other 2 are in cahoots.

[MariaR]

LikeI've been pushing Vecna/Lilith all game Vecna now is suddenly dead. That doesn't help me.

Lilith never voted me the day before and Votato only got on me when I started saying his name. Plus he had the impression that my town meta was bad. Why wouldn't you leave me as the last one alive here
pedit: Because ABR isn't voting Votato. I'll vote either of them

[MariaR]

The game makes a lot of sense if you think of me as town. Plus I'm not pushing anyone. I care more about proving why I'm townie than pushing. You think I care who I put a vote on as long as it's not me?

You need to make a convincing case of why its the other two. All of you have the exact same goal here of painting a logical story from day 1 to now of why the other 2 are in cahoots.

Give me a day or 2 then. I didn't think this was the scumteam at all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

LikeI've been pushing Vecna/Lilith all game Vecna now is suddenly dead. That doesn't help me.

Lilith never voted me the day before and Votato only got on me when I started saying his name. Plus he had the impression that my town meta was bad. Why wouldn't you leave me as the last one alive here
pedit: Because ABR isn't voting Votato. I'll vote either of them

Its obvious vecna was vigged. I told ico to vig lilith or vecna and leave you alive as the last post before lock.

[DonCorleone]

ehh, like I said I'm not actually going to listen to anything any of the three of you say to me today because you're all so incentivised to sell me yourself as town. I'm just going to look at what you've done in the game up to this point, make a decision on who I think is town and then try to convince the other ICs to go with me. But I think we're probably losing anyway tbh which just kinda sucks

I think you're my least preferred lynch today Maria, because if I'm right and you are scum I'd be happiest for you to still be alive tomorrow even if we get it right today and the final rose dies tonight

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Lilith

That's all I need to hear I suppose. Although having to convince ABR will prove to be...yeah

why not votato?

I wanted to solve lilith and maria yesterday. We are doing that today, I'm not gonna lynch votato and let ico or you decide which one to hammer. That's insane.

[DonCorleone]

I also lowkey think you might be spewing that you killed vecna and that's why you're upset that ABR is pushing you as scum while modelling that as the vig kill

[DonCorleone]

so you think there's only 1 scum in (lilith, Maria)?

[MariaR]

I also lowkey think you might be spewing that you killed vecna and that's why you're upset that ABR is pushing you as scum while modelling that as the vig kill

If you think I'm stupid enough to make that kind of rookie mistake.
I just don't see why scum would shoot chk here that seems dumb to me

[MariaR]

I'm spending today trying to show why I'm town. I'll spend the other 2 looking at Lilith/Votato

[DonCorleone]

it's all just WIFOM though isn't it Maria, because you're smart enough to make it look like a slip like that intentionally just to argue that you're smart enough to not make a slip like that in the first place. I also don't think perspective slipping has anything to do with intelligence in an either in or out of game sense

[DonCorleone]

I'm really bummed if you are scum though, I really wanted you to be town

[MariaR]

I'm not good at making cases but Ik I'll have to do it to stand a chance it's out of my comfort zone and I'm fine with that. But as I said I think if you look at this from a pov with me town you can see how my actions make sense and why scum leave me alive as the last one.
pedit: That's such a stupid argument though.

[DonCorleone]

idk it'll be interesting talking to you in the postgame either way

[DonCorleone]

I intend to think about the game while imagining that each of you is scum, and then again imagining each of you is town, to try and decide which of all those scenarios makes sense

[DonCorleone]

I think I'm lynching votato today regardless

[MariaR]

Like the reason a lot of this isn't WIFOM is simple. If you're under the assumption that I'm scum for a moment scum me shouldn't have to put myself into a place where I need to make WIFOM arguments in the first place. Sure that would probably depend on me having to flip scum and play it out. But I would like to imagine my scum game is good enough that I wouldn't need to go for the Rose wincon of all things and just carry my scum team

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think I'm lynching votato today regardless

Not gonna happen.

[MariaR]

It's so infuriating. Not at any of you guys but at myself because it's like 'THIS IS SO OBVIOUS HOW ARE THEY NOT SEEING IT' but I know why they're not seeing it and I just need to try and explain properly and blah balh I'm gonna start ranting

[Albert B. Rampage]

The second you put a vote on votato today, I will vote lilith/maria and its up to ico to decide the lynch and one of the scum to bus their buddy.