Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[Eve]

VOTE: Skitter
This is scum. Cop her/lynch her.

maybe we should sheep nomnom

[GuiltyLion]

Atari I'm here if you wanna talk

what do you think of Molla, you forgot him in your reads post

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Skitter
This is scum. Cop her/lynch her.

maybe we should sheep nomnom

this is a real bad post

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I do think he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon; and I think it's perfectly plausible for scum to believe that an Allo lynch is viable at deadline D1.

No. Just 1000% no.

1) Didn't you say you didn't read the game?
2) Are you disagreeing with me saying he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon, or disagreeing with me saying it's plausible that scum believe an Allo lynch is viable at deadline, or both? I feel that I've shown evidence for both of these things in 1656 - acryon talking about an Allo wagon as well as several other people talking about lynching Allo near deadline.
3) Why are you also arguing with me about something that is purely hypothetical at this point?

- Smarter

A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.

I don't have to read the game to know your proposition is faulty.

I can argue about hypotheticals because we're all hypothesizing. A vote is just an educated guess or a policy vote.

I think everyone in this game is in agreement that Allomancer was highly mislynchable, and

multiple people

were asking for an Allo wagon at deadline. I disagree that "scum never thinks a day 1 PR claim is a viable mislynch"

because the Allomancer wagon WAS IN FACT VIABLE

.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I do think he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon; and I think it's perfectly plausible for scum to believe that an Allo lynch is viable at deadline D1.

No. Just 1000% no.

1) Didn't you say you didn't read the game?
2) Are you disagreeing with me saying he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon, or disagreeing with me saying it's plausible that scum believe an Allo lynch is viable at deadline, or both? I feel that I've shown evidence for both of these things in 1656 - acryon talking about an Allo wagon as well as several other people talking about lynching Allo near deadline.
3) Why are you also arguing with me about something that is purely hypothetical at this point?

- Smarter

A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.

I don't have to read the game to know your proposition is faulty.

I can argue about hypotheticals because we're all hypothesizing. A vote is just an educated guess or a policy vote.

I think everyone in this game is in agreement that Allomancer was highly mislynchable, and

multiple people

were asking for an Allo wagon at deadline. I disagree that "scum never thinks a day 1 PR claim is a viable mislynch"

because the Allomancer wagon WAS IN FACT VIABLE

.

- Smarter

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Atari I'm here if you wanna talk

what do you think of Molla, you forgot him in your reads post

Riiight that's a person in this game. Not sure, that slot hasn't been super active. I'll add him onto the list of people to talk with.

Whats your read on skitter?

[Titus]

Titus did you answer my VCA question? i want to learn from the master

I haven't posted a recent guide on the matter. I'll give you the step by step process though.

First, establish your assumptions. In this setup, that's two scum, scum preferring to avoid detection and be on the major wagons to avoid being coppable. Note: This assumption goes away when Allomancer softs and his wagon distingrates. Then it's just avoid attention and don't bus.

Second, get the VCAs in a manner where you can see who is whom. I do this by eyeballing in minis. Ideally, you should quote and find replace with colors and substitutes if newer to VCA.

Third, look at each vote count and ask what motivates scum. For instance, if there's only one wagon and it's on town, scum have little incentive to create wagons. So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.

Today, we have largely static wagons (AH and myself) which is exactly what scum want in a T v T setup. That's why GL is sputtering on you (instead wanting me to read Carnage) and Auro is picking a fight with Skitter while FoSing GL.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.

This is kind of exactly what your predecessor did.

-Smart

[Titus]

I do think he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon; and I think it's perfectly plausible for scum to believe that an Allo lynch is viable at deadline D1.

No. Just 1000% no.

1) Didn't you say you didn't read the game?
2) Are you disagreeing with me saying he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon, or disagreeing with me saying it's plausible that scum believe an Allo lynch is viable at deadline, or both? I feel that I've shown evidence for both of these things in 1656 - acryon talking about an Allo wagon as well as several other people talking about lynching Allo near deadline.
3) Why are you also arguing with me about something that is purely hypothetical at this point?

- Smarter

A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.

I don't have to read the game to know your proposition is faulty.

I can argue about hypotheticals because we're all hypothesizing. A vote is just an educated guess or a policy vote.

I think everyone in this game is in agreement that Allomancer was highly mislynchable, and

multiple people

were asking for an Allo wagon at deadline. I disagree that "scum never thinks a day 1 PR claim is a viable mislynch"

because the Allomancer wagon WAS IN FACT VIABLE

.

- Smarter

Nope. I bet none of those people were GL or Auro or anyone who claimed to see the soft. Those people wouldn't vote there despite the pleadings of others. A soft claim of PR means a slot is unlynchable.

[Eve]

Titus did you answer my VCA question? i want to learn from the master

I haven't posted a recent guide on the matter. I'll give you the step by step process though.

First, establish your assumptions. In this setup, that's two scum, scum preferring to avoid detection and be on the major wagons to avoid being coppable. Note: This assumption goes away when Allomancer softs and his wagon distingrates. Then it's just avoid attention and don't bus.

Second, get the VCAs in a manner where you can see who is whom. I do this by eyeballing in minis. Ideally, you should quote and find replace with colors and substitutes if newer to VCA.

Third, look at each vote count and ask what motivates scum. For instance, if there's only one wagon and it's on town, scum have little incentive to create wagons. So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.

Today, we have largely static wagons (AH and myself) which is exactly what scum want in a T v T setup. That's why GL is sputtering on you (instead wanting me to read Carnage) and Auro is picking a fight with Skitter while FoSing GL.

very interesting thanks for the intro!

i wish there were more guides for this i would love to learn it

[Eve]

Titus did you answer my VCA question? i want to learn from the master

I haven't posted a recent guide on the matter. I'll give you the step by step process though.

First, establish your assumptions. In this setup, that's two scum, scum preferring to avoid detection and be on the major wagons to avoid being coppable. Note: This assumption goes away when Allomancer softs and his wagon distingrates. Then it's just avoid attention and don't bus.

Second, get the VCAs in a manner where you can see who is whom. I do this by eyeballing in minis. Ideally, you should quote and find replace with colors and substitutes if newer to VCA.

Third, look at each vote count and ask what motivates scum. For instance, if there's only one wagon and it's on town, scum have little incentive to create wagons. So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.

Today, we have largely static wagons (AH and myself) which is exactly what scum want in a T v T setup. That's why GL is sputtering on you (instead wanting me to read Carnage) and Auro is picking a fight with Skitter while FoSing GL.

very interesting thanks for the intro!

i wish there were more guides for this i would love to learn it

[Eve]

VOTE: Skitter
This is scum. Cop her/lynch her.

maybe we should sheep nomnom

this is a real bad post

that was a joke btw

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

noms was pretty clearly tilted and it's probably not wise to sheep her, but I disagree wholeheartedly with 1702.

-Smart

[Titus]

A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.

This is kind of exactly what your predecessor did.

-Smart

That would prove my predecessor is town then. Scum don't try to mislynch a PR in this setup. It proves my predecessor was town and blind.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

that was a joke btw

Oh. I mean it is definitely something that bears considering, because a lot of times mislynched townies do have better than random reads.

-Smart

[Eve]

actually it wasn't entirely a joke

the way nomnom was saying "skitter should know better" might have some truth to it if skitter knows this was nom's town meta

not gonna go and meta check though what do you take me for

[Titus]

Titus did you answer my VCA question? i want to learn from the master

I haven't posted a recent guide on the matter. I'll give you the step by step process though.

First, establish your assumptions. In this setup, that's two scum, scum preferring to avoid detection and be on the major wagons to avoid being coppable. Note: This assumption goes away when Allomancer softs and his wagon distingrates. Then it's just avoid attention and don't bus.

Second, get the VCAs in a manner where you can see who is whom. I do this by eyeballing in minis. Ideally, you should quote and find replace with colors and substitutes if newer to VCA.

Third, look at each vote count and ask what motivates scum. For instance, if there's only one wagon and it's on town, scum have little incentive to create wagons. So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.

Today, we have largely static wagons (AH and myself) which is exactly what scum want in a T v T setup. That's why GL is sputtering on you (instead wanting me to read Carnage) and Auro is picking a fight with Skitter while FoSing GL.

very interesting thanks for the intro!

i wish there were more guides for this i would love to learn it

Take a stab at it. Set out your assumptions and detail your findings.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

That would prove my predecessor is town then. Scum don't try to mislynch a PR in this setup. It proves my predecessor was town and blind.

No, I mean, your predecessor quietly dropped the push after Allo softed… see 1623.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I do think he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon; and I think it's perfectly plausible for scum to believe that an Allo lynch is viable at deadline D1.

No. Just 1000% no.

1) Didn't you say you didn't read the game?
2) Are you disagreeing with me saying he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon, or disagreeing with me saying it's plausible that scum believe an Allo lynch is viable at deadline, or both? I feel that I've shown evidence for both of these things in 1656 - acryon talking about an Allo wagon as well as several other people talking about lynching Allo near deadline.
3) Why are you also arguing with me about something that is purely hypothetical at this point?

- Smarter

A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.

I don't have to read the game to know your proposition is faulty.

I can argue about hypotheticals because we're all hypothesizing. A vote is just an educated guess or a policy vote.

I think everyone in this game is in agreement that Allomancer was highly mislynchable, and

multiple people

were asking for an Allo wagon at deadline. I disagree that "scum never thinks a day 1 PR claim is a viable mislynch"

because the Allomancer wagon WAS IN FACT VIABLE

.

- Smarter

Nope. I bet none of those people were GL or Auro or anyone who claimed to see the soft. Those people wouldn't vote there despite the pleadings of others. A soft claim of PR means a slot is unlynchable.

Did you look at the quotes I posted?

Spoiler: Quote wall

I think we need to hang Allo or Eve, and check nom/Karnage off the wagon if we don't get scum.

couldn't we just have voted allo and went to day 2.

bbmolla who's scum?

One of Allo/Eve + a skilled scummer

My preference is to lynch Allomancer.

I believe I had considered your reasons myself at one point beforehand, and dismissed them. I would strongly say he belongs to the cop bloc lol.

Oh? What made you think the reasons shouldn't be considered? If you're right then I'd rather lynch allo still.

- Smarter

VOTE: Allomancer

I don't really wanna lynch Nom can we lynch Allo or Eve?

Nom should be the lynch and if not, Allo

I'm not into a Karnage lynch. As much as my gut is telling me Allo could be town, I think due to time's sake we have to go there.

I agree with a die roll, but are we sure we don't want people like Sauce/Karnage in the copbloc as well?

I don't see how the Allo situation gets better tomorrow either, so at the very least we remove a distraction.

We definitely don't need GL on the wagon for an Allo lynch. Plenty interest there, especially this close to deadline.

If we lynch someone other than me it should be Eve, Karnage, allo or skitt.

My opinion is back to Nom goes in the copbloc we lynch Allo.

and here's the post where he actually votes allo at deadline.

Really unfortunate I can't be around past 15 minutes from now. Sorry for any issues that causes.

VOTE: Allomancer

I think this is what needs to be done.

• acryon
  
• nom
  
• bbmolla
  
• Auro (did not believe the soft was real)
  
• us (had some doubt that the soft was real)

all saying we could lynch Allo after the soft, because his play was so horrible. How is that unlynchable?

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Oh I missed Eve, she should be in that list too

- Smarter

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

That's literally a full-on lynch wagon

- Smarter

[GuiltyLion]

Whats your read on skitter?

I think skitter's solid town. The way she re-evaluated on me feels pure, I've mind melded with her on most reads outside of when she was scumreading me, I think we just had to pick at each other early game for a bit and then saw each other correctly.

I also feel she has this indignant vibe (similar to Lilith) and it doesn't match with survivalism so much as genuine frustration with people disagreeing with her or making faulty assumptions, I generally think that's quite hard to fake, scum either underdo it or it winds up feeling more forced and performative

[Titus]

I do think he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon; and I think it's perfectly plausible for scum to believe that an Allo lynch is viable at deadline D1.

No. Just 1000% no.

1) Didn't you say you didn't read the game?
2) Are you disagreeing with me saying he was continuously trying to feel out an Allomancer wagon, or disagreeing with me saying it's plausible that scum believe an Allo lynch is viable at deadline, or both? I feel that I've shown evidence for both of these things in 1656 - acryon talking about an Allo wagon as well as several other people talking about lynching Allo near deadline.
3) Why are you also arguing with me about something that is purely hypothetical at this point?

- Smarter

A scumfuck never thinks a day 1 PR claim in this setup is a viable mislynch. Whatever scum pushes that faces a flash wagon when Allo claims. Just cash out with the soft claim.

I don't have to read the game to know your proposition is faulty.

I can argue about hypotheticals because we're all hypothesizing. A vote is just an educated guess or a policy vote.

I think everyone in this game is in agreement that Allomancer was highly mislynchable, and

multiple people

were asking for an Allo wagon at deadline. I disagree that "scum never thinks a day 1 PR claim is a viable mislynch"

because the Allomancer wagon WAS IN FACT VIABLE

.

- Smarter

Nope. I bet none of those people were GL or Auro or anyone who claimed to see the soft. Those people wouldn't vote there despite the pleadings of others. A soft claim of PR means a slot is unlynchable.

Did you look at the quotes I posted?

Spoiler: Quote wall

I think we need to hang Allo or Eve, and check nom/Karnage off the wagon if we don't get scum.

couldn't we just have voted allo and went to day 2.

bbmolla who's scum?

One of Allo/Eve + a skilled scummer

My preference is to lynch Allomancer.

I believe I had considered your reasons myself at one point beforehand, and dismissed them. I would strongly say he belongs to the cop bloc lol.

Oh? What made you think the reasons shouldn't be considered? If you're right then I'd rather lynch allo still.

- Smarter

VOTE: Allomancer

I don't really wanna lynch Nom can we lynch Allo or Eve?

Nom should be the lynch and if not, Allo

I'm not into a Karnage lynch. As much as my gut is telling me Allo could be town, I think due to time's sake we have to go there.

I agree with a die roll, but are we sure we don't want people like Sauce/Karnage in the copbloc as well?

I don't see how the Allo situation gets better tomorrow either, so at the very least we remove a distraction.

We definitely don't need GL on the wagon for an Allo lynch. Plenty interest there, especially this close to deadline.

If we lynch someone other than me it should be Eve, Karnage, allo or skitt.

My opinion is back to Nom goes in the copbloc we lynch Allo.

and here's the post where he actually votes allo at deadline.

Really unfortunate I can't be around past 15 minutes from now. Sorry for any issues that causes.

VOTE: Allomancer

I think this is what needs to be done.

• acryon
  
• nom
  
• bbmolla
  
• Auro (did not believe the soft was real)
  
• us (had some doubt that the soft was real)

all saying we could lynch Allo after the soft, because his play was so horrible. How is that unlynchable?

- Smarter

Allo hard claims. Wagon dead. Do note Auro claiming the soft isn't real helps scum.

[GuiltyLion]

noms was pretty clearly tilted and it's probably not wise to sheep her, but I disagree wholeheartedly with 1702.

-Smart

I think it looks to me like Eve is shading skitter for the sake of shade (IIRC skitter called other people out for this earlier as 'pussyfooting' to see if it's acceptable to vote there), and she's also deflecting responsibility by using a dead townie's reads rather than her own.

[GuiltyLion]

So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.

Characterizing me as 'apathetic' just shows you clearly aren't reading the game or checking your assumptions against actual posts. I was quite aggressive in forcing the Lynch onto either nom/Karnage and then when nom was still engaging/fighting at the bitter end I appealed to her to lynch Karnage with me.