Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[DonCorleone]

icon how many times do I have to say that I'm not sure what my solve is yet!

[Albert B. Rampage]

So Don, you think it's votato + lillith then?

and ABR is set on lillith + maria right now?

I still need to read through day 2 and it's too early for that.

Since Maria has compromised Don due to being nice, it's up to us to investigate if she is scum because in LYLO Don will be voting with Maria.

[DonCorleone]

like that's the exact reason why I wanna talk to you about what YOU think instead of you saying that you wanna get me and ABR to work together and then sheep us

like no, you're a strong player, I want you to put the time and effort in that this game deserves and contribute your unique PoV

[DonCorleone]

Okay, DonSirloin is my strongest townread

I wonder if the whole scumplan was just pocketing me for the entire game

[DonCorleone]

well, not the whole scumplan obviously, but if that was always a mid-longterm plan

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, DonSirloin is my strongest townread

I wonder if the whole scumplan was just pocketing me for the entire game

How was Lilith to you?

[DonCorleone]

she defended me when you were tunnelling me on D1

[DonCorleone]

I think it's probably (Maria, lilith) but unsure

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, DonSirloin is my strongest townread

I wonder if the whole scumplan was just pocketing me for the entire game

eyestot/Lilith/maria were all treating you like you were untouchable then.

I remember when my wagon blew up in your face, Lilith conspicuously unvoted me but never voted you, unlike everyone else.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think the only reason ico and I are alive is because scum need Don to win and it would look too convenient if Don was the only IC alive with two scum kills.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Don continues to hard defend Maria like she did all game long, scum (Lilith/maria) don't need Lilith to win, they just need to ride Don until LYLO.

[DonCorleone]

I think the only reason ico and I are alive is because scum need Don to win and it would look too convenient if Don was the only IC alive with two scum kills.

huh?

[votato]

Scum played well this game. Therefore i am not scum. It's simple. Stop overthinking.

[DonCorleone]

I mean I think we're pretty clearly all alive because scum have gone for a "kill all the roses" strat

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean I think we're pretty clearly all alive because scum have gone for a "kill all the roses" strat

A "kill all the roses" strat means scum are pretending to be guns lol

This is not that.

Scum are killing whoever doesn't help them win. The guns are confirmed town, there's 1-2 rose left after their kills last night, and they think that's the players all the ICs will lynch for some reason.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum played well this game. Therefore i am not scum. It's simple. Stop overthinking.

If scum were smarter, they would have claimed guns and claimed their kills. They never killed confirmed town, so they may as well have claimed guns and said they vigged Vecna, Firebringer, something_smart and farside lol.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Me and Don being confirmed town and working together is a very bad scenario for scum. They should not have confirmed us as town. We might have lynched ico, don, or me, instead we have 66% of lynching scum today and 66% of lynching scum tomorrow as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

These posts by Vecna point to Lilith/maria in a very obvious way:

What’s your solve vecna?

I honestly think any solve is gonna involve MAX 1 in (Eyestott Votato)

Maybe im just stubborn because ive been townreading those two since the beginning and I want to be right.

I think Chk is only scum if Maria is scum, but I have no real strong reasons for that besides the way maria latched onto me in her catchup for voting and unvoting chkflip. I still think that mightve drawn her attention for partner reasons, and chkflip has been completely utterly unphased by anything ive thrown in his direction regarding this.

in fact:I was one of the first people to call Icon town based on early game reads and never wavered on that readI correctly called knightguy town and tried to persuade people from wagoning itIve harddefending you, Votato, for the entire game, and called you as town at every single step of the gameIve had gut townreads on Stotts the entire game and held onto that.never have I voted any of the above people, and ive actively questioned and tried to stop wagons on all these slotsSo, what are you talking about? Because im confused as fuck by yours posts

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vecna:

"I was one of the first people to call Icon town based on early game reads and never wavered on that read"

"I correctly called knightguy town and tried to persuade people from wagoning it"

"Ive harddefending you, Votato, for the entire game"

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's obvious why Vecna was killed despite him being put to L-2 Day 2. Maria and Lilith are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VoteCount 2.7

Vecna [2] - lilith2013, eyestott
votato [2] - Iconeum, chkflip
eyestott [2] - DonCorleone, MariaR
lilith2013 [3] - votato, Albert B. Rampage, farside22

Not Voting [1]

- Vecna

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-12 15:35:31)

Both scum are still voting for Vecna because they need Vecna mislynched to save a kill for confirmed town. Vecna was accurate on everyone except chk and chk was never up for a lynch with me around. Neither was farside. If votato was scum, Ico would be dead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we all agree on lynching votato?

sure

Ico was too happy to lynch votato.

Farside was happy to lynch maria/Lilith.

Vecna townread votato and hard-defended him all game even at L-1.

Lilith/Maria had no choice but to kill farside and vecna.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay I only made it through about 60 pages but here's what I have so far:

disclaimer: shitty wagon analysis incoming
eyestott vs maria wagons: if eyestott is scum and maria is the town counterwagon, then that implicates vecna I think
maria vs cakes wagons: if maria is scum and cakes is the town counterwagon, then that implicates votato, chkflip, and/or farside
votato D1 wagon: I think at least 1 scum is on this wagon (farside or chkflip)
DC D1 wagon: I also think at least 1 scum is on this wagon (chkflip, vecna, votato, farside)
ABR D1 wagon: also probable for at least 1 scum to be on this wagon (vecna, farside, chkflip). farside, vecna, and chkflip probably more so because they are on both the ABR wagon and the DC wagon.
vecna D2 wagon: at least 1 scum on this wagon regardless of vecna alignment; at least 2 scum if vecna is town. (maria, farside, eyestott, votato)
eyestott D2 wagon: likely at least 1 scum on this wagon regardless of eyestott alignment (vecna, maria)
lilith D2 wagon: at least 1 but probably 2 scum on this wagon (farside, chkflip, votato, vecna)

I think that leaves me with {eyestott, vecna, farside/chkflip} or {maria, farside/chkflip, votato} or smaller chance of {maria, eyestott, farside/votato} if both the eyestott/maria wagons are on scum (I think this is less likely because their wagons got derailed by DC who is conftown)

I feel like people have been saying that Maria/farside doesn't make sense because of D1 but actually Maria pushed farside really hard on D1, dropped it, and basically hasn't engaged with farside since. Even though farside was originally one of her top scumreads at the beginning of the day, Maria has said pretty much nothing about that slot after that. farside was also scumreading Maria based on their D1 interactions but in D2 does not seem to be pushing her at all or considering Maria to be part of any possible scum team to the point that it seems like she is now townreading Maria. Also at the end of D1 I was trying to question Maria and farside kind of chainsaw defended her by attacking me for it.

On reread I'm actually feeling more confident in a Maria/farside team due to the lack of interaction/disconnect in reads vs tone D2 so I'm leaning towards {maria, farside, votato/eyestott} or {eyestott, vecna, farside/chkflip} as secondary team

This is super scummy. Trying to set up Maria/farside scum team. Preparing for chkflip endgame. All her solves include town and leaves wiggle room for Maria to escape eating rope.

[votato]

thats what i said!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith: "one of eyestot/maria are scum" lol no effort to be subtle at all

This is gg. Town wins. I hope the dead thread is watching, I want to read the comments at the end!