Only brass had voted for him so "3 or 4" people were not pressuring him. votato was talking to him about it but I wouldn't call it pressure.In post 421, lilith2013 wrote:Situationally, you were defending gibus; you suddenly voted him after 3 or 4 people were pressuring him on the mason thing; and you unvoted him once the bandwagon died.
I want to say freddy is town. looked up their previous newbie game and they barely posted and they are much more involved here. I don't think that change happens their first time rolling scum.In post 420, CopyKat wrote:feathers is 100% town. votato and gibus are probably town.
scum is likely in ironcat, freddy, lillith, fish, and brass
yes. What makes you say it failed? The vigs all hitting town say it worked.In post 422, lilith2013 wrote:And you think this would be a strategy I’d repeat after it failed pretty definitively in G&R?In post 419, votato wrote:in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.
I mean it wasn’t a good long-term strategy because on D2 people noticed that we basically never interacted again.In post 427, votato wrote:yes. What makes you say it failed? The vigs all hitting town say it worked.In post 422, lilith2013 wrote:And you think this would be a strategy I’d repeat after it failed pretty definitively in G&R?In post 419, votato wrote:in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.
Where are you getting this from?In post 429, CopyKat wrote:I think at least one scum is an SE.
Okay thenIn post 425, CopyKat wrote:Only brass had voted for him so "3 or 4" people were not pressuring him. votato was talking to him about it but I wouldn't call it pressure.In post 421, lilith2013 wrote:Situationally, you were defending gibus; you suddenly voted him after 3 or 4 people were pressuring him on the mason thing; and you unvoted him once the bandwagon died.
but fuck it. I'm done explaining my gibus vote
just lynch me now... I can't take it anymore... have you been reading what I've posted?In post 431, votato wrote:You've reversed on gibus and now you're sheeping my reads. Please elaborate reasoning on your reads
PoEIn post 432, lilith2013 wrote:Where are you getting this from?
a) the playerbase is weaker. B) you can say "i wouldn't do that again" c) I'm the only person who was there to see that fight, and maybe you assumed i wouldn't noticeIn post 430, lilith2013 wrote:I mean it wasn’t a good long-term strategy because on D2 people noticed that we basically never interacted again.In post 427, votato wrote:yes. What makes you say it failed? The vigs all hitting town say it worked.In post 422, lilith2013 wrote:And you think this would be a strategy I’d repeat after it failed pretty definitively in G&R?In post 419, votato wrote:in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.
My resolution to this argument was “I thought formerfish was being a huge asshole to me for no reason so I was an asshole back, turns out it wasn’t meant for me so he wasn’t being as big of an asshole as I thought, but I still think he’s needlessly being an asshole.”
Why? Whoever has an early fight with someone somehow increases the chances that they are scum partners if one of them is scum? Also ironcat has a strong vote on fish, which won't be optimal if they were scum partners. What if a wagon started against fish? Ironcat can't unvote without suspicion and if fish does get hammered, mafia would be losing.In post 429, CopyKat wrote:ironcat kinda depends on fish. does scum!ironcat pick an early fight with fish?
If fish is scum, I could see an ironcat/fish scum pair
"bussing" (throwing your scumbuddy under the bus) is a pretty common tactic. an early vote on a scumbuddy can help to distance you.In post 437, gibus wrote:Why? Whoever has an early fight with someone somehow increases the chances that they are scum partners if one of them is scum? Also ironcat has a strong vote on fish, which won't be optimal if they were scum partners. What if a wagon started against fish? Ironcat can't unvote without suspicion and if fish does get hammered, mafia would be losing.In post 429, CopyKat wrote:ironcat kinda depends on fish. does scum!ironcat pick an early fight with fish?
If fish is scum, I could see an ironcat/fish scum pair
Alright. My reaction here was genuine, but I can’t force you to see that.In post 436, votato wrote:a) the playerbase is weaker. B) you can say "i wouldn't do that again" c) I'm the only person who was there to see that fight, and maybe you assumed i wouldn't noticeIn post 430, lilith2013 wrote:I mean it wasn’t a good long-term strategy because on D2 people noticed that we basically never interacted again.In post 427, votato wrote:yes. What makes you say it failed? The vigs all hitting town say it worked.In post 422, lilith2013 wrote:And you think this would be a strategy I’d repeat after it failed pretty definitively in G&R?In post 419, votato wrote:in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.
My resolution to this argument was “I thought formerfish was being a huge asshole to me for no reason so I was an asshole back, turns out it wasn’t meant for me so he wasn’t being as big of an asshole as I thought, but I still think he’s needlessly being an asshole.”
Just to add on - lynching mafia on D1 can actually hurt town because they have less to work with in terms of analyzing how the dead mafia interacted with other players and determining who is most suspicious based on that. Bussing is a fairly common strategy on this site, so don’t expect that players who are attacking each other are always the opposite alignment.In post 439, votato wrote:"bussing" (throwing your scumbuddy under the bus) is a pretty common tactic. an early vote on a scumbuddy can help to distance you.In post 437, gibus wrote:Why? Whoever has an early fight with someone somehow increases the chances that they are scum partners if one of them is scum? Also ironcat has a strong vote on fish, which won't be optimal if they were scum partners. What if a wagon started against fish? Ironcat can't unvote without suspicion and if fish does get hammered, mafia would be losing.In post 429, CopyKat wrote:ironcat kinda depends on fish. does scum!ironcat pick an early fight with fish?
If fish is scum, I could see an ironcat/fish scum pair
that's completely counter-intuitive but makes senseIn post 441, lilith2013 wrote:Just to add on - lynching mafia on D1 can actually hurt town because they have less to work with in terms of analyzing how the dead mafia interacted with other players and determining who is most suspicious based on that. Bussing is a fairly common strategy on this site, so don’t expect that players who are attacking each other are always the opposite alignment.
CopyKat -> His initial townread on votato made sense. I like how he hopped on to my wagon when I made an unclear post which could've been seen as a scum slip without hesitation. He hasn't been anti-town in any of his posts. He hasn't been here for long so with the current information I put him in blue.In post 391, gibus wrote:My read list right now from town to scum
[gibus, votato, feathers]
[CopyKat, ironcat]
[brassherald, Freddie]
[Formerfish, lilith2013]
That's a lot of scums xDIn post 420, CopyKat wrote:feathers is 100% town. votato and gibus are probably town.
scum is likely in ironcat, freddy, lillith, fish, and brass
There are a couple of people attacking each other. Say if one of them turns out scum, wouldn't we immediately suspect the attacker?In post 441, lilith2013 wrote: Just to add on - lynching mafia on D1 can actually hurt town because they have less to work with in terms of analyzing how the dead mafia interacted with other players and determining who is most suspicious based on that. Bussing is a fairly common strategy on this site, so don’t expect that players who are attacking each other are always the opposite alignment.
Another strong reason why I say they're my next suspect apart from fishyfriend.In post 445, gibus wrote: lilith2013 -> I didn't like your interaction with fish. You didn't mention any of his posts in your recap (#351) and you accuse him of first throwing shade on your slot and then WhiteKnighting you, neither of which I think he did (I didn't see #412 when I posted this, I take this back. I now put you in yellow.). I also disagree with #372, where you hop on the copykat wagon because he hopped on my wagon (sensible reason).
I also pointed out a "buddy" thing going on with votato and bass. I think votato is town but not sure about bass. It's a good move to play buddy with general town for scum in the early games.brassherald -> I'm neutral because he hasn't posted much and I don't like how he voted copykat for hopping on the wagon (I found copykat's reason sensible) while he hopped onto my wagon because my posts seem "off".
In post 430, lilith2013 wrote:My resolution to this argument was “I thought formerfish was being a huge asshole to me for no reason so I was an asshole back, turns out it wasn’t meant for me so he wasn’t being as big of an asshole as I thought, but I still think he’s needlessly being an asshole.”
Can you explain your tiers please?In post 445, gibus wrote:CopyKat -> His initial townread on votato made sense. I like how he hopped on to my wagon when I made an unclear post which could've been seen as a scum slip without hesitation. He hasn't been anti-town in any of his posts. He hasn't been here for long so with the current information I put him in blue.In post 391, gibus wrote:My read list right now from town to scum
[gibus, votato, feathers]
[CopyKat, ironcat]
[brassherald, Freddie]
[Formerfish, lilith2013]
ironcat -> His paranoia in RVS strikes me as town. I don't agree with his recent list (#368) but his ISO seems to me like he is trying to help as town (apart from his fights). I didn't know about "bussing", and since I scumread fish, I townread ironcat a little bit more.
brassherald -> I'm neutral because he hasn't posted much and I don't like how he voted copykat for hopping on the wagon (I found copykat's reason sensible) while he hopped onto my wagon because my posts seem "off".
Freddie -> I have't seen much of him. Hence neutral.
Formerfish -> #227 for scumread.
lilith2013 -> I didn't like your interaction with fish. You didn't mention any of his posts in your recap (#351) and you accuse him of first throwing shade on your slot and then WhiteKnighting you, neither of which I think he did (I didn't see #412 when I posted this, I take this back. I now put you in yellow.). I also disagree with #372, where you hop on the copykat wagon because he hopped on my wagon (sensible reason).