mini 2140: partition (this is over)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler:

Adorable

- Puff went from thinking it was 1-1-1 to randomly switching to 3-0-0 in 299 with iff reasoning. Unnatural progression. No non-OMGUS reads yet. BUSSING/distancing.

Ame

- Conspiracy theory is townie. Poking Kanna is townie. Naked suspicion of clidd is iffy, dodged my question for why she found him suspicious.

Cat Scratch Fever

- Russian Blue. Poking holes in clidd's reasoning was townie, spotting Adorable as scum is townie. Some of her questioning feels

COLD.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Townslips in 16 and 19 look more fake than real. 231 is scummy in the way it takes Doro's joke too seriously.

Hoctac

- Sometimes misreads his role PM. He's probably fine, but there's always the possibility. Nulltown.

Kanna

- Newbtown. Her paranoia and coming around to thinking there's 2+ scum in Group 1 is natural.

Morning Tweet

- Scumslipped. 144.

Raya36

- PoE range. Agreeing with easy stuff and safe(?) takes. Pushing Group 3 and not considering Group 1 reads could be agenda-driven.

Q & A:

Raya

- I would love to see one of those fancy coloured readslists from you.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Regarding 19: There was an "ie" before "each of them is in one of the groups." Did you miss that?

Morning

- How confident are your scumlean/reads?

Ame

- Why do you find clidd suspicious, and are your Hoctac/clidd reads independent?

Kanna

- What's your read on me?

My reads on group 1 are basically the same as this

The people I scumread/don’t townread in group 1 are {adorable, raya, d&d hydra}

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Why?

- Daenerys

[Raya36]

if there is some weird scum conspiracy to lynch a bunch of town in 1 to win then Albert would be scum obviously

-dragons

But Albert is acting way too obvious for that??

thats exactly what i'd expect scum!albert to do. it's lower effort, and it plays into the WIFOM very nicely

So you're thinking scum want us to lynch group 1 and Albert is the one in charge of aggressively pushing that? And that's why he's in the smallest group maybe? In case that backfired?

I haven't decided. I'm leaning towards that not being the case, though. I think 2-3 scum are in group one.

The scenario im talking about is if scum distributed 1/1/1. Scum in group one advocates for group one annihilation. Albert in group two advocates to kill group one. And the scum in group three could do it too

I can feasibly see Albert!scum opting to choose to do a super obvious scream that group 1 is obvscum (as WIFOM), but im leaning towards that not being the case

Ok that makes a lot more sense. I still don't think Albert is scum and I don't see any likely strategies with him as scum and using this playstyle. I could see this but that's banking on it being 1:1:1 which is an assumption I wouldn't make a scum read over

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why?

- Daenerys

Why what? Why don’t I townread you?

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Why?

- Daenerys

Why what? Why don’t I townread you?

you seem to only be scumreading Adorable in 365, so what's changed since then that you have two more scumreads now? and also, how does that impact your theory about scum putting only scum!adorable in group 1?

- Daenerys

[Morning Tweet]

I would propose marriage to a bat before I did 1/1/1 as scum.

Ok, you got me pretty good with that one (>∀<)

marrying a bat wouldn't be that bad!!

im beginning to feel more and more like im gonna vote group #1

[Adorable]

You also admitted you think there are 2 scum in Group 1 but you don't want to vote there. The two scum in Group 1 look like to me they are the ones who want to vote in Group 2 or Group 3. You are a player I have been leaning scum on. So you think I'm scum who wants to vote myself off on day 1? What kind of logic is this?

I don't have two active scumreads on people in group 1. I think it's rash to vote there without having at least two strong scumreads in group 1 on the offchance scum did actually only put 1 scum in that group.

I'm entertaining the idea that scum put scum!you and only you into group 1, and that's why you want to vote yourself. Who is your other scumread?

Why are you still leaning scum on me? Do you disagree with my analysis on your entrance posts?

If you think it is 1/1/1 and think I'm the only scum in Group 1, then this would mean my scum buddies who put only me in Group 1 would expect me to do some power wolfing taking control of the game thread and my scum buddies would have high expectations of me being really good pretending to play as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1/1/1 is stupid.

[Morning Tweet]

1/1/1 is smart if you think you can deceive town into getting rid of group #1 using the three voices you have

[Ame]

Even if we think there are 2+ scum in group 1, I think lynching it would be bad gameplay. I haven't tried to do that math, but I suspect that going that route has a poor EV relative to the others.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why?

- Daenerys

Why what? Why don’t I townread you?

you seem to only be scumreading Adorable in 365, so what's changed since then that you have two more scumreads now? and also, how does that impact your theory about scum putting only scum!adorable in group 1?

- Daenerys

You and raya are my “not townreading” group

Does sircakez normally take a backseat in his hydra games?

[Albert B. Rampage]

1/1/1 is smart if you think you can deceive town into getting rid of group #1 using the three voices you have

They would never think to do that.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

If you think it is 1/1/1 and think I'm the only scum in Group 1, then this would mean my scum buddies who put only me in Group 1 would expect me to do some power wolfing taking control of the game

No? Scum would want to get group 1 lynched in that case, and you would be deliberately playing scummy. Why would you think the opposite...?

As it is, you’re pretty scummy. I’m not sure if you’re deliberately playing scummy though.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Adorable, you’ve also never responded to 354

[Daenerys and Dragons]

How am I taking a backseat?

-dragons

[Cat Scratch Fever]

youre hardly present

I only remember like one of your posts off the top of my head

[Hoctac]

The players in Group 3 are scummy and I was also going to vote there yesterday and then I started to think scum must have looked up the players completed games which makes me think the players on Group 3 get scum read more often than me.

So why not put you in Group 2 if they really don't want Group 1 lynched?

Could you address this please, Puff?

[Adorable]

Adorable, you’ve also never responded to 354

I already responded to this on 357.

[Hoctac]

What if I'm the only scum in Group 1 and I'm trying to sabotage for an early scum win? I'm starting to feel paranoid.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Adorable, you’ve also never responded to 354

I already responded to this on 357.

Err I meant the post hoc just quoted lol

Don’t wine and mafia kids

[Cat Scratch Fever]

GROUP 1:

Adorable

Ame

Cat Scratch Fever

Daenerys and Dragons

Hoctac

Kanna

Morning Tweet

Raya36

GROUP 2:

Albert B. Rampage

clidd

GROUP 3:

dsjstr

enomis

Mohab500

Why do you have us as town?

- Daenerys

Do you guys think you’ve done enough to be townread or nah

[Kanna]

Sleeping on it Kanna, I still don't resonate with your reasoning. If scum were playing

go big or go home

why would they place all of their members in Group 1? The go big or go home strategy would be to place 0-1 member in Group 1 for a quick victory. I've been thinking how I'd go about this, and this is exactly what I'd do. MT stated that it was obvious to her that town would push for group 3, but I think it's obvious town would push for Group 1 with the idea of getting 2 scum. Moths fly to the brightest flame and G1 is like so wifomy in-your-face goading us to lynch there.

by "go big or go home," i mean

i

want to go big or go home (right now, by voting group 1). i still think 2+ scum in group 1 is what most people would do prediscussion. it's actually quite safe because you can blackmail town with how many lives they could potentially lose. i personally find 3/0/0 appealing, but (⍪_⍪)

my point is there's *at least* 2 scum in group 1, why do you keep focusing on 3/0/0?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Adorable seems like obvious lynchbait to me and their first post suggests they aren't aware of the set-up which scum would be. That could be a fake "slip" of course but based on the rest of their play I just don't think they would do that.

Why is adorable town for not being aware of the setup but not me?

This feels like a very contrived reason to townread Adorable.

[Ame]

Sleeping on it Kanna, I still don't resonate with your reasoning. If scum were playing

go big or go home

why would they place all of their members in Group 1? The go big or go home strategy would be to place 0-1 member in Group 1 for a quick victory. I've been thinking how I'd go about this, and this is exactly what I'd do. MT stated that it was obvious to her that town would push for group 3, but I think it's obvious town would push for Group 1 with the idea of getting 2 scum. Moths fly to the brightest flame and G1 is like so wifomy in-your-face goading us to lynch there.

by "go big or go home," i mean

i

want to go big or go home (right now, by voting group 1). i still think 2+ scum in group 1 is what most people would do prediscussion. it's actually quite safe because you can blackmail town with how many lives they could potentially lose. i personally find 3/0/0 appealing, but (⍪_⍪)

my point is there's *at least* 2 scum in group 1, why do you keep focusing on 3/0/0?

Because of the blue line here:

I wouldn't discount all scum being in group 1. I think, provided the scumteam are a group of people who don't like playing scum, they might choose to go down together (worst case scenario).

1/1/1 seems like the safest option, but kind of demoralising if they know one of their guys go down no matter what they do.

after thinking about it i think there's *probably* at least 2 scum in group 1

i do agree with scumhunting though. I think our priority sorts are groups 2 and 3. Ame's idea is interesting, although it's one of those ideas that requires everyone to be on board with and i'm not sure if that will be the case

This is what I'm referring to as the go big or go home take. You stated here that you think scum might choose to go down together. But if that was the type of team we had, they would go 1/1/1 not 3/0/0.

I think the 2/x/x is very reasonable and I think likely. My concern with you isn't about what you believe (I'm not interested in sorting out which of the scenarios we are in), it's your reasoning in line 1 that is.

[Kanna]

Kanna what are your reads on Clidd, Hoc, Raya, and Charmander?

i've realised i don't know clidd that well because i've only got meta + 1 game i played with him where I was scum. he's not a confident read, but recently he's said some stuff i agree with/think are townie. so, townish.

my Hoc read is

Spoiler:

Hoctac - Sometimes misreads his role PM. He's probably fine, but there's always the possibility. Nulltown.

Raya seems scummy to me, Charmander, i guess i can see being town based on nuance + group assignments.

what are your reads on them? why these in particular?

Also, Kanna, do you notice anything about 200?

i mean...i've disagreed with most of her takes so i don't know if you want my opinion (sorry)