Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Raven Branwen]

Question for both NK15 and ABR: Who would you lynch - other than me (town), Creature (bleeding obvtown), Ali (the player mostly responsible for dismantling Hectic wagon)?

[Raven Branwen]

Question for both NK15 and ABR: Who would you lynch - other than me (town), Creature (bleeding obvtown), Ali (the player mostly responsible for dismantling Hectic wagon)?

I would also like to hear a single reason for my slot being scum that doesn’t involve spring, because neither of you have sr me for any reason apart from spring. Shouldn’t that tell you something?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And @ABR, how exactly did you acquire that self-described scum hunting God rep with stellar reads like that? I am not scum and neither you or NK15 has any expressed opinion on MY play since replacing in, why is that

I'm going to pretend you don't exist.

[Raven Branwen]

Question for both NK15 and ABR: Who would you lynch - other than me (town), Creature (bleeding obvtown), Ali (the player mostly responsible for dismantling Hectic wagon)?

I would also like to hear a single reason for my slot being scum that doesn’t involve spring, because neither of you have sr me for any reason apart from spring. Shouldn’t that tell you something?

Do you have no response to this?

[Raven Branwen]

And @ABR, how exactly did you acquire that self-described scum hunting God rep with stellar reads like that? I am not scum and neither you or NK15 has any expressed opinion on MY play since replacing in, why is that

I'm going to pretend you don't exist.

Alright sorry that wasn’t nice but you gave me shit earlier for that whole psychology thing, yet you ignore - you and NK both - refuse to take into account anything I’ve done since replacing in and I don’t even understand where your Creature sr is coming from, because you never explained it.

If you replaced into a slot that was being wrongly sr and the people who were sr your slot, completely ignored YOUR play, you wouldn’t find that even remotely frustrating?

[Raven Branwen]

I sincerely apologize ABR. My frustation is no excuse for being petty.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And @ABR, how exactly did you acquire that self-described scum hunting God rep with stellar reads like that? I am not scum and neither you or NK15 has any expressed opinion on MY play since replacing in, why is that

I'm going to pretend you don't exist.

Alright sorry that wasn’t nice but you gave me shit earlier for that whole psychology thing, yet you ignore - you and NK both - refuse to take into account anything I’ve done since replacing in and I don’t even understand where your Creature sr is coming from, because you never explained it.

If you replaced into a slot that was being wrongly sr and the people who were sr your slot, completely ignored YOUR play, you wouldn’t find that even remotely frustrating?

No. Spring has done more than you for your slot. It's normal we find associatives more AI than your posts which are NAI.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I sincerely apologize ABR. My frustation is no excuse for being petty.

Apology accepted.

[Raven Branwen]

And @ABR, how exactly did you acquire that self-described scum hunting God rep with stellar reads like that? I am not scum and neither you or NK15 has any expressed opinion on MY play since replacing in, why is that

I'm going to pretend you don't exist.

Alright sorry that wasn’t nice but you gave me shit earlier for that whole psychology thing, yet you ignore - you and NK both - refuse to take into account anything I’ve done since replacing in and I don’t even understand where your Creature sr is coming from, because you never explained it.

If you replaced into a slot that was being wrongly sr and the people who were sr your slot, completely ignored YOUR play, you wouldn’t find that even remotely frustrating?

No. Spring has done more than you for your slot. It's normal we find associatives more AI than your posts which are NAI.

I disagree that my posting is NAI. Have you even asked yourself what my scum motivations could possibly be for any of my play here, that you view as NAI?

[Titus]

Raven, don't bother. He's being an asshole. You have to apologize to him because criticizing his play is "petty" but he can be outright dismissive of actual reasonable quests because of his self described God tier status. He's a narcissist.

[Pink Ball]

C'mon dude they both backed off, why start it again

[Titus]

C'mon dude they both backed off, why start it again

Until ABR starts treating Raven with respect, he hasn't backed off. It's a dog and pony show.

[Ame]

Pinky, do you have a game similar to this one? And is it ok if I call you Pinky?

[Ame]

Also I like plastic love too :3

[Pink Ball]

Pinky, do you have a game similar to this one? And is it ok if I call you Pinky?

It is ok!

I'll check but I can't promise, I think you were right saying this is not close to either my town or scum games 'cause I've just laid back and see how it goes, and as far as I can tell, it has been the correct choice. I'm not implying I did it on purpose: I've been laid back because this playerlist is (was) rather unknown for me. I shitpost a lot more when I know who I'm playing with. And there's always something behind it: trying to get a better read on someone (as town), to look like I don't have a motivation behind my thoughts (as scum), etc.

Also I like plastic love too :3

It's SO good right??? Now that we can talk about that game, do you think there's any kind of resemblence with this one? Because that's other explanation on why I've been laid back during this game: I was playing that game and Ali's hydra game and I was more invested in them, in one because I was scum, the other because it required much more attention and this game has been going well without me interfering that much. The only time I thought I had to step in was for yesterday's lynch and mastina's comment about how well I can read her.

[Pink Ball]

Actually, On the Flying Scumsman, the Ali's hydra game I'm mentioning, I was a lot more laid back than I usually am and that's a towngame of mine. I died on N1 so you can read my posts there and it's not that much. I got into a fight with John Cena, I would disregard those posts, but before that it's pretty much how I've been playing in here. Look for Cappy's posts, the ones signed by Silver Bullet

[Pink Ball]

Like yeah, I realized I'm much more "teamwork!!" when I'm scum so my town meta has changed during this last games. This game in particular has been exactly how I would like my town games to look. More memes obviously, but I have to find that sweet spot between memey and serious. I got Knight lynched instead of Ali, I can take credit for that, at least a bit. It's one of the first times in my mafia history that I can say "I contributed by lynching scum" instead of "I contributed by not getting lynched as town" or "I contributed by being friendly and keeping my shit together to get my team get their shit together too". I'm a good teammate as both alignments, but I'm a better scum teammate than a town teammate and I want to improve.

[Raven Branwen]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

I think that ABR’s posting is scummy and I like Ame’s NK15 town argument. I also recall a scumgame of his where he played very differently.

I also recall Pine telling me in a game that he’s “obvtown as scum” or words to that effect. Like Raya, PB’s role sounds townie and I thought about Titus’ TBTBAW read on NK15. I think ABR sounds like he’s not even considering the possibility that he could be wrong on me and NK15 seems to have plenty of conviction in his read on me. Creature being his top sr is also seriously yuck. Ali dismantled Hectic wagon, which makes no sense if e’s scum. I don’t see why scum!PB hardbusses Knight when he doesn’t need to. Ginnie sounds genuine and derped. Creature/LC is supertown. I think everyone else is probably town and considering TSE’s strongest tr other than Ame was also mine prior to Titus replacing in, I think it probably is ABR.

[Raven Branwen]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

I think that ABR’s posting is scummy and I like Ame’s NK15 town argument. I also recall a scumgame of his where he played very differently.

I also recall Pine telling me in a game that he’s “obvtown as scum” or words to that effect. Like Raya, PB’s role sounds townie and I thought about Titus’ TBTBAW read on NK15. I think ABR sounds like he’s not even considering the possibility that he could be wrong on me and NK15 seems to have plenty of conviction in his read on me. Creature being his top sr is also seriously yuck. Ali dismantled Hectic wagon, which makes no sense if e’s scum. I don’t see why scum!PB hardbusses Knight when he doesn’t need to. Ginnie sounds genuine and derped. Creature/LC is supertown. I think everyone else is probably town and considering TSE’s strongest tr other than Ame was also mine prior to Titus replacing in, I think it probably is ABR.

But what mostly pings me about him, is that he has both me and NK15 in his PoE. That sounds to me like he might have a possible tmi on both of us and is lining up possible mislynches.

[Raven Branwen]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

I think that ABR’s posting is scummy and I like Ame’s NK15 town argument. I also recall a scumgame of his where he played very differently.

I also recall Pine telling me in a game that he’s “obvtown as scum” or words to that effect. Like Raya, PB’s role sounds townie and I thought about Titus’ TBTBAW read on NK15. I think ABR sounds like he’s not even considering the possibility that he could be wrong on me and NK15 seems to have plenty of conviction in his read on me. Creature being his top sr is also seriously yuck. Ali dismantled Hectic wagon, which makes no sense if e’s scum. I don’t see why scum!PB hardbusses Knight when he doesn’t need to. Ginnie sounds genuine and derped. Creature/LC is supertown. I think everyone else is probably town and considering TSE’s strongest tr other than Ame was also mine prior to Titus replacing in, I think it probably is ABR.

But what mostly pings me about him, is that he has both me and NK15 in his PoE. That sounds to me like he might have a possible tmi on both of us and is lining up possible mislynches.

NK15 otoh, has me and Ali in his PoE which doesn’t look like lining up mislynches. Why? Because Ali and I aren’t sr each other, NK15 and I are or were. Having two slots back to back in one’s PoE who hard sr each other, doesn’t read to me like a townie thought process and reads exactly like lining up mislynches.

[Titus]

VOTE: ABR

[Ame]

I am thinking through some stuff. I will solidify my vote later today.

[Raven Branwen]

ABR’s PoE doesn’t match with his professed scumread on me. If he truly is convinced I’m scum, then he wouldn’t also have the slot who’s hard sr me in it, would it as well as obviously vice-versa. He either believes in NK15’s case on me or he doesn’t and having both of us in his PoE makes it abundantly clear that his professed sr on me is fake. It wouldn’t be at all suspicious otoh, should either of us flip town and him then pivot to sr the survivor but he’s not doing that. That’s why I believe that having us both in his PoE is chaining mislynches. Having both me and NK15 in the same PoE, especially back to back, isn’t consistent with a townie mindset. @Ame, you mentioned ABR/Pine is an alchemist? An alchemist doesn’t exactly sound like a townie role to me, unlike say autofarmer and bard.

I doubt PB is scum because I don’t think Mastina would put that much attention on a buddy. In the game I played with Mastina scum, I think while she didn’t sr her buddy, she didn’t talk about them all that much. I think it’s a lot more likely she was trying to if not outright buddy him, set him up as a potential frame. TSE also made an interesting point, that it’s highly unlikely that Farkset put two buddies in his null column and the last scum is more likely than not a tr.

But the main reason I think ABR is scum, is the blatant inconsistency between his professed sr on me and him having the player who’s hard sr me in his PoE. I don’t believe that kind of PoE originates from a townie mindset. That’s the kind of logical inconsistencies that are far more likely to come from scum than town. Not a single other player has both me and NK15 in their PoE. NK15 has ABR as a null, which isn’t inconsistent. If NK15 had ABR and me as his strongest srs, I’d probably still be voting him.

[Raven Branwen]

And why has he not explained his Creature sr, despite having him as his strongest sr?

Generally a player is keen to scumcase their top sr which in ABR’s case is Creature but he has given 0 reasons so far and the timing of that sr is also highly suspicious. He didn’t even mention him until I made the post about hard vetoing his wagon. That’s the only connection I can see for him putting Creature first in his PoE. I think he considers him an easier lynch for some reason. Another thing is both ABR and NK15 also have Ali in their PoE. Another very strange reason for ABR to PoE him. You generally don’t tend to sr those who mindmeld with you on reads - if you’re town.

[Not Known 15]

I'll reveal more later. Basically I unlock public game mechanics. One is doctor, one grants xp, and one is a mystery. There was a quest that I haven't read.

@Mod, could you confirm that no mod error has confirmed?

Not all mod errors are serious enough to warrant public admission. But I can confirm that there has not been a mod error that would be mentioned publicly.

I’m not the mod, so I can admit more. I had a choice between three public effects to put in place today - everyone has the ability to gift XP, everyone can spend an XP to bodyguard someone, or everyone can spend one XP to make gold. I could also gift gold to people 1/night. The nice the whole Town has a piece of gold, the

entire Town

would be bulletproof. I predicated my

entire

D1 on getting Disable Strongman passed, then fading away. I needed to survive in order to make night kills extinct.

But nope! I’m a dumbass. The PM saved to drafts instead of sending, so Moriarty randomized my choice and the boring one came up.

I am livid. This was a priceless opportunity, and I cocked it up.

Sorry.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage