mini 2140: partition (this is over)

[dsjstr]

What do you mean by play normal?

I meant scum hunt normally. And come to a consensus about groups late in the day based on who you scumread.

I agree. I get the feeling that group one looks like a good lynch because there are more people in that group so there is a higher chance to hit a mafia. Also, I want to propose the idea that mafia did not do 1-1-1 because that would guarantee that they lose one member.

[dsjstr]

I was thinking about why they built the groups 8-2-3. Group 1 has a majority of votes so they basically decide which group will get lynched, if all 3 of the mafia were in that group then that would give them a lot of power. Of course they could have gone

in groups 2 and 3 and lynching group one would win them the game. Even if we get reads on 1 person in group 1 I think it would still be better to lynch groups 2 or 3 just to get more info about what the mafia was thinking.

Well they lose one member, but if that member is in group one, they win the game

i dont think we can dismiss 1/1/1 just because it guarantees one mafia member dies. In 2/0/1 or 2/0/1, they run a decent risk of losing one member as well.

They can get a shot at actually winning in 1/1/1, and the worst that can happen is losing one member.

They get a shot at winning even if there is no member in group 1, if they were hoping that we would lynch group 1 why would they hang one of their men?

[dsjstr]

or women

[dsjstr]

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

[dsjstr]

I don't get it, Doro. If there's 1 member in group 2 and we lynch it, there'll be 2 alive tomorrow.

If they went 1-1-1 which would just be a mistake for the mafia then there would be 2 members alive D2 no matter which group we choose. Since there are only two members in group 2 that leaves two suspects to choose from. The fact that no one else

sees going 1-1-1 as a bad move makes me think the mafia would have gone for it.

[dsjstr]

Fair point, but see 81, Doro.

You find anyone scummy so far? I'm pretty sure clidd and Ame are conspiring in the other corner.

Think I saw someone slip but I'll have to get back to you on that one.

[dsjstr]

MT which group would you vote for?

[dsjstr]

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

I still don't understand the reasoning of voting in your own group.

Lets say worst case scenario there were 0 mafia in group 3. Then the setup would be limited to either 3-0-0, 2-1-0, or 1-2-0. I don't think that is the case and originally I was leaning towards group three because it would be the safest option now I think

there is mafia in the group.
VOTE: Group 3

[dsjstr]

MT what do you think about Mahob switching from group 3 to group 2?

[dsjstr]

Lets say worst case scenario there were 0 mafia in group 3. Then the setup would be limited to either 3-0-0, 2-1-0, or 1-2-0. I don't think that is the case and originally I was leaning towards group three because it would be the safest option now I think

there is mafia in the group.
VOTE: Group 3

Why do you think it isn't 2-1-0? actually fypov, 2-1-0 should be equally likely to 2-0-1 if you're town, right....

Who is mafia in your group?

That was a hypothetical and if group 3 was all town then it would do a minimal amount of damage while limiting the possible setups. I think it is 1-0-2 or 0-1-2!

[dsjstr]

But that might just be because I can never trust teammates. Their actions seem either weird or opportunistic.

[dsjstr]

who do you think is scum in group 3?

- Daenerys

Not me

[dsjstr]

GROUP 3:

dsjstr

enomis
Mohab500

[dsjstr]

Part of that has to do with the slip I saw,

First impressions: i feel that it is unlikely scum placed 2 of themselves in group 2, or 2 of themselves in group 3

That seems like a lot of risk, because at a glance you'd expect us to probably pick group 2 or 3 for the lynch, and it'd be hard to stop it if one of those groups gained traction. all it would take is one scummy member in the group and you'd lose that group and 2/3rds of the scumteam

Whereas if you placed 2+ scum inside group one, it'd likely be easier to steer the lynch away from one to one of the smaller groups.

after all, there's at least 5 town in group one and im sure at least some of them would not want to die

I just realized while writing this that if we lynch group one, and there's zero scum in there, we lose the game immediately. ack!

I just noticed that MT referred to the town as "them" when saying that there are at least 5 town in group 1 and they should not vote for their own group. This seems weird to me and looks like MT could have slipped. If they are town then they

would have included them self as part of the town. Instead he talks about town being other people, now what does this have to do with group 3? If you look at MT's first read list you will notice that Mohab is the only strong town read. I personally

don't see the reasoning to be strong Mohab could have just faked that he wanted to lynch his own group and then he actually does change his vote. MT continues to town read him as they both switch over to group 2 which had gained some traction.

Just realized that group 2 is also at L-3, but basically I am scum reading Mahob because I scum read MT but that's just one person from group 1 so it would be better to go for group 3.

[dsjstr]

and enomis?

I was unimpressed by the ISO... and uhh... maybe not as strong as the other one but it's still nothing to townread.

[dsjstr]

[dsjstr]

oops imagine that got one of these

Spoiler:

[dsjstr]

e

[dsjstr]

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

Doro!

You mentioned you would rather vote for group 2 over 3 since 2 will only have 1 member at max. But from your perspective, you know you're town, so should group 2 and 3 both have an equal number of potential scum (2)?

That came at a time while 1-1-1 was being discussed and at the time I was thinking if that was case then group 3 would be the safest bet.

[dsjstr]

I don't get it, Doro. If there's 1 member in group 2 and we lynch it, there'll be 2 alive tomorrow.

If they went 1-1-1 which would just be a mistake for the mafia then there would be 2 members alive D2 no matter which group we choose. Since there are only two members in group 2 that leaves two suspects to choose from. The fact that no one else

sees going 1-1-1 as a bad move makes me think the mafia would have gone for it.

I also said this a few mins later.

[dsjstr]

It would be a 50/50 even without any reads, but now I really don't think it is 1-1-1

[dsjstr]

Mohab what do you think this is?

"X Æ A-12"

[dsjstr]

It's actually the name of Elon Musks new born child

[dsjstr]

For now... maybe

[dsjstr]

I saw a baby photo, and the tweets sounded serious.

[dsjstr]

Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:

[dsjstr]

Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:

This isn't right. If there's 1 scum left, it will be 2-1-1, town can lynch a group with one person in it, then it will be 1-1-1 and town can lynch again. This is the best odds of winning possible.

Mafia get a NK

[dsjstr]

[quote="In post 1

welcome to mini 2140! You are a

mafia goon.

your faction is responsible for forming a partition each night. i will take whatever the last bolded proposition is, as long as it places every living player (or every player that will be living come morning) in one of the three groups, and no groups are empty. you may ask me randomize the order of the groups and the players within the groups. if i don't get a valid partition i will create one randomly.

on the first night, you may also select someone to be killed.

you win when you control half the vote during a day phase, or when nothing can stop that from happening.

please confirm by proposing a partition for day 1 (or affirming another suggestion)

Hmm, this will create more WIFOM. It obviously justifies 1-?-? because that would be the only time the mafia could pull it off.

[dsjstr]

I'm not sure how to answer that...

Could you be specific about what you want me to say

[dsjstr]

Spoiler:

[quote="In post 1

welcome to mini 2140! You are a

mafia goon.

your faction is responsible for forming a partition each night. i will take whatever the last bolded proposition is, as long as it places every living player (or every player that will be living come morning) in one of the three groups, and no groups are empty. you may ask me randomize the order of the groups and the players within the groups. if i don't get a valid partition i will create one randomly.

on the first night, you may also select someone to be killed.

you win when you control half the vote during a day phase, or when nothing can stop that from happening.

please confirm by proposing a partition for day 1 (or affirming another suggestion)

Hmm, this will create more WIFOM. It obviously justifies 1-?-? because that would be the only time the mafia could pull it off.

What are you saying here?

The fact that the mafia only have the option to NK once, they could use it to win the game and if G1 gets lynched with only 1 member they will win. Thinking about it more, that rule was only in the mafia role card so it would make sense if they felt

inclined to build their strategy around it.

[dsjstr]

Although my reads say otherwise

[dsjstr]

enomis is probably just not that interested, unless he was told to say that. Probably going to stop scum reading him unless he says some scummy stuff if he ever returns.

[dsjstr]

Although my reads say otherwise

What are your reads on people outside of group 3? Can you do one of those colored in reads lists?

By reads I meant if they wanted group 1 lynched then they would have put the people from group 3 into it. Which means that they would not want group 1 lynched really just WIFOM stuff.

[dsjstr]

Who other than Albert and clidd gave reasons why there wouldn't be mafia in group 2? I find that group hard to read but it seemed like both of them had an agenda for their respective votes.

[dsjstr]

I really don't think we should quickhammer!!!

[dsjstr]

MT you're still on group 2

[dsjstr]

Also what changed your mind about mohab?

[dsjstr]

e

[dsjstr]

Do you think it worked Ame?

[dsjstr]

gg

Now I have no idea who the other two are

[dsjstr]

[dsjstr]

Do you think it worked Ame?

It kinda worked

[dsjstr]

[dsjstr]

I'm still hoping it was 2-0-1 and mahob just knows they would have been lynched tomorrow

[dsjstr]

I figured this would happen I can explain in a little bit but I just woke up and am very hungover.

VOTE: Group 2

[dsjstr]

Looking at the VC the only person who actually voted for group 1 was enomis. Something that stuck out to me other than the fact that none of us lynched the mafia was the fact that Ame lynched herself.

@Albert

Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?

[dsjstr]

You know group 1 wouldn't be lynched if it wasn't for me, right?

That's why I'm trying to get a better understanding of what happened in between VC's.

[dsjstr]

@Albert Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?

If you mean MorningTweet and not Adorable, since I was death tunneling group 1, people thought I might be the chief conspirator of a 1-1-1 scum partition and trying to win in 1 fell swoop by lynching group 1. MT put group 1 at L-1 for me to hammer so that I could prove I didn't hammer, which would make me instantly win if I were scum with another buddy outside group 1.

Does this make sense dsjstr?

It's much better than, "help me prove I'm town"

[dsjstr]

It's obvious mohab/dsjstr is town to me, they both wanted to lynch themselves yesterday. Scum would obviously try to go for the option with no scum in it instead of self-voting. It's plain and evident that they are town. That's my conclusion.

Neither of us fully committed to it

[dsjstr]

"Rest assured that it's normal for me to see the matrix. I'm not trying to bamboozle you. Even if I were, lynching clidd does not end the game if he's town. Lynching dsjstr or Mohab will."

Theory: You are just pushing my slot to make a good impression on Dsj / Mohab, as you will lynch one of the two tomorrow and win the game because of hard-buss on D1 ^

Exactly

[dsjstr]

It's obvious mohab/dsjstr is town to me, they both wanted to lynch themselves yesterday. Scum would obviously try to go for the option with no scum in it instead of self-voting. It's plain and evident that they are town. That's my conclusion.

Mohab he obviously doesn't mean.

[dsjstr]

He needs us to lynch clidd and then he can easily get one of us to vote for the other.

[dsjstr]

It's obvious mohab/dsjstr is town to me, they both wanted to lynch themselves yesterday. Scum would obviously try to go for the option with no scum in it instead of self-voting. It's plain and evident that they are town. That's my conclusion.

Mohab he obviously doesn't mean.

doesn't mean it.

[dsjstr]

Spoiler:

if there is some weird scum conspiracy to lynch a bunch of town in 1 to win then Albert would be scum obviously

-dragons

But Albert is acting way too obvious for that??

thats exactly what i'd expect scum!albert to do. it's lower effort, and it plays into the WIFOM very nicely

So you're thinking scum want us to lynch group 1 and Albert is the one in charge of aggressively pushing that? And that's why he's in the smallest group maybe? In case that backfired?

Hahahahaha what!!!?

I went through Albert's ISO with the intention to provide evidence that he is not as angry as another one of his town games. But I stumbled upon this and it has kind of been bothering me, I don't know how text savvy you are but Albert dropped 5 ha's. Now clearly he wasn't actually laughing but he does not react like this to any other post, even the other angry posts. tbh I am a little confused by Rayas post, what would backfire? If Albert was town why would it matter what group he was put in? Now knowing that Raya is mafia I see that as evidence that Raya knew more than she should have known. I know that was more about why Raya was mafia but I can't help but feel like Alberts reaction comes from a teammate. Once again he has not shown much anger other than with Raya and clidd, and right now he doesn't need clidds vote. He needs mine and Mohabs.

[dsjstr]

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82403

Clidd was scum in both of these games.

Considering you're 100% confident he's scum, I feel like that it shouldn't matter if we lynch you first, then Albert. Right?

I don't see this as scum!clidd I would rather lynch you before clidd

[dsjstr]

Here is the only other recent scum game I could find.
viewtopic.php?p=11669095#p11669095

[dsjstr]

You caught me I am actually the mafia

[dsjstr]

Clidd has been trying to solve this entire game, in his scum games he becomes social. Why don't you try to prove me wrong rather than insulting me.

[dsjstr]

Help me not fuck up, help me understand why this looks like scum!clidd.

[dsjstr]

How did clidd get me on his team?

[dsjstr]

Rather than trying to solve which would be in the best interest of your team you are leaving it up to chance? You won't even argue why I am wrong and this does look like one of clidds scum games? Maybe I am just right

[dsjstr]

How did clidd get me on his team?

[dsjstr]

How did clidd get me on his team?

And one more thing: if it's LYLO with clidd flipping town, I'm voting for mohab with you. I will not vote against you because just as sure as you are oblivious right now for your lack of experience, you are also the most obvious town in the game. Congratulations on that part.

So now you want me on your team?

[dsjstr]

Can you actually provide evidence that he "tricked me"

[dsjstr]

How did clidd get me on his team?

And one more thing: if it's LYLO with clidd flipping town, I'm voting for mohab with you. I will not vote against you because just as sure as you are oblivious right now for your lack of experience, you are also the most obvious town in the game. Congratulations on that part.

So now you want me on your team?

We're on the same team whether you realize it now, or after I flip green. We ride together, we win together. Clidd has tricked you from jump when we started day 2 and you voted me of your own free will. Take the evening to reflect on that, I have other shit to do than to babysit.

Mohab what do you think of this?

[dsjstr]

You know what I think is happening, Albert can't stand that I figured out it was him by using "my own free will"(his words). As a defense mechanism for his ego he has been projecting his thoughts on to clidd. Saying that I am the worst player in the game, I am easy to trick and confuse and that is why I was in group 3 then placed into group 1. My favorite one is where he says that clidd is shocked that I took his side so easily, like he knew what clidd was thinking.

[dsjstr]

No pressure

[dsjstr]

You failed to see the sarcasm in my last post. Pathetic. I'm not actually sorry hahahahaha

5 ha's

Spoiler:

[dsjstr]

^ Just a joke, in case I need to say it

[dsjstr]

I had been voting for Albert before any of that so it wouldn't be OMGUS. Anyways I was thinking about how just because Albert has been doing bad things in order to get his way, that is clearly not AI and more about who he is.

[dsjstr]

Mohab why do you think it is clidd?

Was it because of all of the reasons Albert gave?

[dsjstr]

If clidd flips town were fucked

[dsjstr]

Just look at clidds scum games @Mohab if you still think it is him then we will have to do the coinflip

[dsjstr]

You should start at page 1, very different from this game. Or any town game I was in where he was town. The only other game I saw that was like this was his other scum game I posted about.

[dsjstr]

That was two games by the way.

[dsjstr]

The one where we were partners was only the second game.

[dsjstr]

No which is why he changed it for the second game.

[dsjstr]

No which is why he changed it for the second game.

[dsjstr]

This game was more recent, the other one was from months ago, I'd say that one game is an exception because of circumstance.

Here is the only other recent scum game I could find.
viewtopic.php?p=11669095#p11669095

[dsjstr]

Mod: I take back the coin flip for now

I think I can convince you to lynch clidd, I feel like you're halfway there. This is an easy decision.

You should keep the coinflip

[dsjstr]

Coin toss. 1v1 me if you have any balls.

Just look at clidds scum games @Mohab if you still think it is him then we will have to do the coinflip

...

[dsjstr]

Albert I'm just done with you

[dsjstr]

You want the coinflip?

[dsjstr]

You win

[dsjstr]

You got what you want

[dsjstr]

You seemed fairly enthusiastic about a coinflip. Why are you backing out right before it could potentially and most likely happen.

[dsjstr]

Well I am the easiest to trick, I'll fall for it.

[dsjstr]

Just look at clidds scum games @Mohab if you still think it is him then we will have to do the coinflip

I skimmed through this game:

viewtopic.php?p=11657707#p11657707

If you look at clidd-scum's posts, he looks pretty convincing. He's good at playing scum.

Do you disagree?

Why was this focused how well I thought he played a scum role? You said that you are worried by how much I trust clidd, this wouldn't be an attempt to create a fight between us?

[dsjstr]

I shouldn't say start a fight, rather cause a crack that would slowly widen as the two weeks pass.

[dsjstr]

Can you start with how I am 100% town.

[dsjstr]

You also said Mohab was 100% town but shhhh, maybe later.

[dsjstr]

How was I proven at the point where you said I was 100%, the three of us seemed uncertain of what mohab would do. You two said that it's up to mohab and I implied I agreed which came after your comment that I was 100%.

[dsjstr]

If I was scum it wouldn't matter if clidd or Albert died.

[dsjstr]

Not even waiting until D3

[dsjstr]

I look forward to seeing how you plan to get clidd on your side

[dsjstr]

But I'm still 100% town and you are still the best scum hunter on the site?

[dsjstr]

I need to sleep I can do better tomorrow if you request...

D1 if you were scum you go for g1, it disassociates you from the other two that are in it. D2 you know that mafia wouldn't lose but your performance proving it is not 1-1-1 makes you look like town. You get clidd lynched. You get either me or Mohab lynched, wtf would mafia put themself not in group two. Well they have 10+ years of experience and they think they can get clidd lynched.

D1 as town based on the setup which you called shit or something like that, you make an assumption that g1 obviously has more than one mafia. If there are three you win if its two you get to D2. D2 you scum hunt because you are the best scum hunter on the site.

[dsjstr]

I meant why the fuck would mafia not put themself in the group of two for the scum reasoning for D2

[dsjstr]

VOTE: Group 3

[dsjstr]

town wins

phew

[dsjstr]

Thank you! Great game. Happy about the outcome! Well played Clidd and scum and djrstr you had an amazing turnaround moment today! We did it!!!!

Thanks for babysitting.