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Post Post #3575 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 12:24 am

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In post 3571, Titus wrote:It's probably nk15 or ABR anyway but I won't vote ABR with the big shot up in case I am wrong.
I can’t see it being you, PB, Ali or TSE and Occam's razor likely just means Ame is just bad town > scum. I don’t think it’s likely to be ABR anymore but unless TSE flips on PB like he did Creature, I’m not interested in lynching there.

But I think your VCA is probably correct.

Also how did scum!ABR get 5 XP?
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Post Post #3576 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:02 am

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In post 3567, Alisae wrote:Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.
Scum can just no kill regardless. Its a bad move.
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Post Post #3577 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:17 am

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VOTE: TSE
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Post Post #3578 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:26 am

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In post 3576, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3567, Alisae wrote:Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.
Scum can just no kill regardless. Its a bad move.
Why? Doesn’t venge put one lynch in control of one player and if they’re wrong, how doesn’t that just help scum?
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Post Post #3579 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:27 am

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The capture at 1v3
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Post Post #3580 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:36 am

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In post 632, mastina wrote:
In post 390, Ginngie wrote:
In post 388, Hectic wrote:Ginngie has done nothing but sheep their crew so far lol.
I'm sheeping a big enough group so they can't all be scum and my slot can do pro-town things while I'm currently busy in life not able to focus.
(Ginngie is town by the way. Thought y'all should know. <3)
This reads like Mastina spewing Ginnie town. I also like TSE’s conviction on PB. As scum, he is a lot more agenday than he is here.
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Post Post #3581 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:38 am

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In post 3579, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The capture at 1v3
Oh right. Yeah, unless the captured is the last person in most people’s PoE, scum could just no kill to frame them.
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Post Post #3582 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:39 am

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In post 3581, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3579, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The capture at 1v3
Oh right. Yeah, unless the captured is the last person in most people’s PoE, scum could just no kill to frame them.
Or conversely, the captured could also be scum but if there’s a kill, then the captured player is of course then confitown.
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Post Post #3583 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:40 am

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We should vote yes on the vengekill.
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Post Post #3584 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:42 am

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In post 3570, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3567, Alisae wrote:Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.
No it is...
today we lynch then there is a vengekill and a nightkill and its 1v4.
then another lynch and a vengekill. Then IF mafia can do another nightkill it is over(dont forget that that one costs 1 xp)
If not it goes to another lynch and a vengekill.
vs.
today we lynch and if there is a kill its 1v5
then another lynch and another kill it is 1v3
then we capture and... the captured person gets killed resulting in 1v2 without confirmed town.
That`s 4 checks plus potentially 2 others... vs 4 checks...
Read this if you want to vote no.
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Post Post #3585 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:46 am

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In post 3583, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We should vote yes on the vengekill.
Why? If the lynched player is wrong, how doesn’t that help scum? If we vote no, that’s one less townie dead.



@mod, is it possible for scum to have transferred XP to a buddy?
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Post Post #3586 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:49 am

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In post 3584, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3570, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3567, Alisae wrote:Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.
No it is...
today we lynch then there is a vengekill and a nightkill and its 1v4.
then another lynch and a vengekill. Then IF mafia can do another nightkill it is over(dont forget that that one costs 1 xp)
If not it goes to another lynch and a vengekill.
vs.
today we lynch and if there is a kill its 1v5
then another lynch and another kill it is 1v3
then we capture and... the captured person gets killed resulting in 1v2 without confirmed town.
That`s 4 checks plus potentially 2 others... vs 4 checks...
Read this if you want to vote no.
A vengekill gives one player too much control. Why can’t we just normal lynch, if game doesn’t end, wait to see what happened during the night and lynch again?
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Post Post #3587 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 2:53 am

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In post 3497, Ame wrote:
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what resolves first if a player is lynched and upgrades during the day?
Upgrade fails as by the end of the day you are no longer alive to do it.
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Post Post #3588 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 2:54 am

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In post 3525, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod, please tell us that scum can’t NK their buddies or I think my brain might literally explode.
The mafia factional kill may target any player other than the player making it, including a mafia member.
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Post Post #3589 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 2:55 am

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In post 3562, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod, can scum kill a buddy if it happens outside of the factional kill?
If they had a role that allowed them to do so, yes.
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Post Post #3590 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 2:55 am

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In post 3586, Raven Branwen wrote:A vengekill gives one player too much control. Why can’t we just normal lynch, if game doesn’t end, wait to see what happened during the night and lynch again?
What? The vengekill is done by confirmed town!!!! Unless I am the investigative and I probably won`t survive we won`t get any meaningful results at night, too.
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Post Post #3591 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 2:55 am

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In post 3563, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod can an upgrade be cancelled once you receive the request?
Yes, my bad, the wording was unclear there. You can change your decision on whether to upgrade up until the end of the day.
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Post Post #3592 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 2:57 am

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In post 3585, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod, is it possible for scum to have transferred XP to a buddy?
Yes; through the Gift public mechanic, or if they have a role-based or factional ability that allows it.
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Post Post #3593 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 4:03 am

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In post 3590, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3586, Raven Branwen wrote:A vengekill gives one player too much control. Why can’t we just normal lynch, if game doesn’t end, wait to see what happened during the night and lynch again?
What? The vengekill is done by confirmed town!!!! Unless I am the investigative and I probably won`t survive we won`t get any meaningful results at night, too.
I never said it wasn’t, what I did say is that it gives one player too much power, in case they are WRONG. With a lynch, it’s the majority who decide.
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Post Post #3594 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 4:09 am

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In post 3588, Professor Moriarty wrote:
In post 3525, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod, please tell us that scum can’t NK their buddies or I think my brain might literally explode.
The mafia factional kill may target any player other than the player making it, including a mafia member.
In post 3589, Professor Moriarty wrote:
In post 3562, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod, can scum kill a buddy if it happens outside of the factional kill?
If they had a role that allowed them to do so, yes.
Woah, so Ame can’t actually be considered mech confitown based on this but still I think that scum would be more likely to kill hostile town > a buddy. I particularly thought scum could never NK a buddy during factional kill. *Mind blown*.
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Post Post #3595 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 4:13 am

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In post 3594, Raven Branwen wrote:Woah, so Ame can’t actually be considered mech confitown based on this but still I think that scum would be more likely to kill hostile town > a buddy. I particularly thought scum could never NK a buddy during factional kill. *Mind blown*.
treestump, though....
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Post Post #3596 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 4:40 am

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NK is confirmed to have lied about not being able to cancel the upgrade.
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Post Post #3597 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 4:48 am

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This is the right choice. @Titus @Raven sorry for defending scum yesterday. Let's end the game.
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Post Post #3598 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 4:54 am

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In post 3595, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3594, Raven Branwen wrote:Woah, so Ame can’t actually be considered mech confitown based on this but still I think that scum would be more likely to kill hostile town > a buddy. I particularly thought scum could never NK a buddy during factional kill. *Mind blown*.
treestump, though....
The flaw in this reasoning is that vigs more often than not misvig town. Why couldn’t scum!Ame have vigged lhf > a buddy? Is it possible that Ame is scum who treestumped Farkset? Apparently it is. Is it likely? Not really and why couldn’t have scum!Ame just vigged town and not take responsibility for it? It’s not like he was anywhere near L-1 or even being wagoned at the time, so I think scum!Ame just viggs town and says nothing, is more believable than your theory imo. As Titus said, this is something not to seriously consider before we hit LYLO.

So, if according to the mod, you can cancel your upgrade request and if Ame really is your #1 sr, why not do it?
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Post Post #3599 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 5:00 am

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In post 3597, Ame wrote:This is the right choice. @Titus @Raven sorry for defending scum yesterday. Let's end the game.
I’m way more upset that you mislynched Creature, after I unvoted ABR and why you wanted to mislynch me, when my XP claim perfectly fits with my miscellaneous result, is something I can’t even begin to comprehend.
If NK15 refuses to cancels his upgrade request, he’s scum because the upgrade request is a lie.


@NK15, will you cancel your upgrade request? Yes or no. If no, I don’t see why I shouldn’t vote you.

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