Animals Upick [Game Over]

[Birds and the Boys]

How many scum do we think is in {Farside, Clover, Holden, April}?

[mastina]

From having played numerous towngames with me and even scumgames where I told the truth about my claim and referenced this trait of mine repeatedly, where it was a talking point.

I think the only game I have played with scum!you was the Skyrim uPick where you claimed to be "VT" and "had no powers" and then you flipped with death janitor powers. So... uh..

I was very careful with my wording that game:

It's kinda a bit demotivating to have no powers in a role madness game

I did have no powers. Powers implies the ability to use your role. I couldn't use any role, and that was the demotivating factor I mentioned. I didn't lie there because I was telling the truth; my only ability that game was death-activated, and as the last groupscum alive, that meant I had no real power at all. I could do nothing that game. The only ability I had was one I couldn't control, couldn't influence, triggered by a situation that would be detrimental to my faction and suicidal as the only groupscum left. So given the lack of ability to trigger that role and given the lack of benefit to triggering that role, I did have no powers and was essentially a VT (well, scum equivalent of one, a goon).

Also, a scum-exclusive role is one where there's the bog-standard "switch to VT" claim aspect to it.
As a strongman, do you think I'll claim "town strongman"? No, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.
As a ninja, do you think I'll claim "town ninja"? No, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.
As a godfather, do you think I'll claim "town godfather"? Well...MAYBE (has happened before), but probably, no, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.
As a janitor--the only "power" I had that game--do you think I'll claim "town janitor"? (Well, not gonna lie, that game I did consider claiming death-activated janitor, my real role, and saying I was a negative utility town role. I ultimately didn't, but I did consider it.) Probably not, I'll claim VT, because I have a scum exclusive role.

There's no lie in claiming VT as a scum exclusive role.

There is a lie in claiming doctor as a scum role that isn't anything other than doctor.

Especially because doctor is an easily-verified claim, easily proven or disproven. Unless you think I'm scum with April, all it'd take is April using one of those alleged tracker/watcher-type powers to confirm or disprove my claim. (Granted, I think April's scum anyway, but this is from the perspective of others trying to sort my alignment.)

If I claimed to have protected someone and there were a tracker/watcher who could disprove my action, I could be caught in a lie--something I avoid at all costs as scum.

I avoid lieing because lies can be caught, lies can be exposed.

Telling the truth is the best way to play scum and I'd argue the ONLY way to play scum. To claim the town equivalent of your role. As a scum roleblocker, claim town roleblocker. As a scum-exclusive role, claim VT. And so on and so forth.

Because the truth cannot be caught in a lie. Saying you took an action you didn't opens the door up to being caught in a lie. Saying you took actions you actually took opens the door up for a town player to conftown you by verifying your actions, by verifying that, yes, you did exactly what you claimed you did.

And every scum game of mine where I've had a power role demonstrates this.

[mastina]

How many scum do we think is in {Farside, Clover, Holden,

April

}?

One.

[HoldenGolden]

I've been thinking about Holden. His is the only role that has not been confirmed. It also seems weird that his vigilante kill would be "shot" as opposed to anything animal related. I would like Holden or Farside to full claim next.

Rereading game soon. Already full claimed. 1 shot vig confused miller. Flavour is donkey sheriff aka my pfp.

I believe that confused/miller is based on animal flavour involving human characteristics. Clavin was a stuffed animal. I'm a sheriff, birds is communist manifesto (I believe they claimed miller), bingle was raccoons stacked to look like humans etc.

I think everyone who claimed miller checked out from memory, but that should be a standard held to millers/confused

[gobbledygook]

April is a komodo dragon yet is also a miller apparently.

And Blatant Scum was firefox a miller.

[Birds and the Boys]

April is a komodo dragon yet is also a miller apparently.

And Blatant Scum was firefox a miller.

[HoldenGolden]

BS had a kitsune form which if I recall is like a fox girl hybrid thing. Not too familiar with furry porn to know.

April is a oddity in that regard, but also losses the miller claim as well. Not sure how to consider that when using the human aspect theory. Prehaps I shall look into it post reread

[farside22]

Im a non consecutive bus driver.
I can tell you i didn't target chemist last night which is why i believe he is lying.

[farside22]

April is a komodo dragon yet is also a miller apparently.

And Blatant Scum was firefox a miller.

I thought jjh claimed komodo?

[Birds and the Boys]

Farside do not claim any further.

With Farside's claim that means Miss Lynch has to be the roleblocker.

[Birds and the Boys]

Looks like Mastina was wrong again. How far she has fallen.

[farside22]

Farside do not claim any further.

With Farside's claim that means Miss Lynch has to be the roleblocker.

I believe you are smarter then this.
My role claim, your role claim and mastina are not proven roles.

So im going to ask you again. Did dunn target you? Where you in a pt with him only?

[Birds and the Boys]

Let me quote that in my iso for you

[Birds and the Boys]

Just FYI the last time I played with Miss Lynch she refused to claim there.
She was third party vote manipulator aligned with a serial killer.

So... yeah

@Birds - If you’re town, who you want tomorrow?

It depends.

pedit: I am indeed in a neighborhood with Dunnstral. PP was in that neighborhood too.

[Birds and the Boys]

Farside do not claim any further.

With Farside's claim that means Miss Lynch has to be the roleblocker.

I believe you are smarter then this.
My role claim, your role claim and mastina are not proven roles.

So im going to ask you again. Did dunn target you? Where you in a pt with him only?

So let me get this straight. I am either scum lying about my role or I am town, right?

If I am scum, when I do not die today, you would know that I am scum and I get lynched immediately in LyLo tomorrow.

[Birds and the Boys]

So why would I claim that role as scum? That can be immediately figured out and then dealt with the following day? Why wouldn't I claim a role that last until after LyLo itself?

Occam's Razor says I wouldn't. So that must mean I am town telling the truth.

If you think Mastina is lying you should be trying to deal with her no? But you've been avoiding her and not really interacting with her today. Why is that?

[farside22]

I suspected a no lynch and if you were town with your role tou would realize that if we mislynch we lose

[farside22]

I

suspected

a no lynch and if you were town with your role tou would realize that if we mislynch we lose

Suggested

[Birds and the Boys]

I suspected a no lynch and if you were town with your role tou would realize that if we mislynch we lose

What if I said we don't die at the end of Day 4...

[farside22]

I suspected a no lynch and if you were town with your role tou would realize that if we mislynch we lose

What if I said we don't die at the end of Day 4...

Id ask why you lied.

[Birds and the Boys]

[farside22]

You know before this pandemic started i would occasionally feel the need for a drink. Playing mafia my need is becoming more often and I'm not a drinker.

[Birds and the Boys]

*sigh*

[Birds and the Boys]

I don't mean to frustrate you. I am trying to slow roll things, but I think I may have been naïve in the amount of effort some towns folk were going to put forth on this day.

[Birds and the Boys]

But first