Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Firebringer]

then lets lynch deimos or me. Or someone?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Elements or Deimos. Preferably Isis. Deimos is prodded, and we're still waiting.

[Isis]

I'm voting Deimos atm

[Green Crayons]

Only scum would want a draw, if town has legitimately secured a town block. a draw is better than a loss.

Town wouldn't push for a draw because, even if things are going against them, they lack the knowledge to know whether a draw is better than the alternative.

So a draw isn't playing against a scum's win condition, given the right circumstances.

This is just game theory, not whatever the site's rules are.

So congrats, FB, on netting some scum points I suppose.

[Green Crayons]

Isis changed her votes at MACH 20 speeds for nothing. If you think it's a serious vote, you're wrong. If you think that town!Isis thinking scum!Norwee is scum there and then moving to Cycle Men who in her head was "hard to read" you're reading that interaction badly.

I mean. You were first to vote Norwegian (879). She followed (883). You just as quickly switched over to Cycle (902). She followed (904).

[Green Crayons]

5. Cycle Men
Woah what why is Cycle Men on my list of wagoners?

In post 421, Cycle Men wrote:
does it have merit though? i feel like that's a really narrow, forced angle to look at things
when something forms a story way too conveniently i think its time to rethink


Because I read this as a very unnatural defense. Instead of thinking critically about the arguments offered he vaguely states that the perspective is "narrow" and "forced" and needs to be "rethought", without elaborating or expressing any other care for whether I'm lynched. It comes off as scum wanting towncred in case of Deimos mislynch but not actually wanting to prevent a Deimos mislynch. His tr of me in 309 combined with his unwillingness to respond to my 334 gives me a similar sense of lacking paranoia about my alignment.

I have two other concerns as well.
Firstly,

I read his tone shift from initial indifference to sudden frustration/defensiveness in 215 as rather faux, unless he has some explanation to offer as to why he's suddenly getting frustrated when that's not his predisposition earlier on (e.g. against Norwegian's vote in 155)

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Secondly, I think his confidence in calling Crayons town is inconsistent with his prior beliefs that early reads are all pretense and uncertain, especially since his read of Crayons can basically be summarized as a toneread (he has an "aura", 326). Which leads me to think that read is also probably fabricated.

Yes, there's a possible world where this is town!Cycle Men who somehow felt so pressured that they ended up inadvertently faking their reads. There is a world where this is town!Cycle Men who has zero trust in my scumplay. There is a world where this is town!Cycle Men and some issues irl meant that they were in more capricious a mood than usual and got frustrated.

But I think each of those cases are less likely than their respective denials.

Finally got around to reviewing this.

Bolded seems like AKing.

VOTE: Deimos

[Isis]

GC is pocketing me

[Isis]

I actually think GC is just probably town but i want to be pocketed and treasured

[humaneatingmonkey]

Deimos

Let's get this over with.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Deimos

[northsidegal]

Votecount 7.Final

Target	Wagon
Deimos27 (4)	Firebringer (3479), Isis (3550), Green Crayons (3630), humaneatingmonkey (3634)
Firebringer (2)	Looker (3322), Elements (3532)
Not Voting (1)	Deimos27

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deimos27 was lynched. He was a

Mafia Goon

.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 8.0

Target	Wagon
Not Voting (6)	humaneatingmonkey, Elements, Green Crayons, Isis, Looker, Firebringer

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. The Day 8 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-02 12:02:59).

[Green Crayons]

Huzzah.

[Isis]

<3 Deimos

[Looker]

Bolded seems like AKing.

VOTE: Deimos

What is "AKing"?

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• I was intentionally dodging Monkey's question because it really depends who's on the wagon. Isis and Green Crayons are pretty much locked town to me at this point.
  • When I was referring to condescension, I was referencing his "Looker, I'll be talking to you" sentence. It's not really that big a deal.
• PoE is still {Fire | Monkey | Elements | Green Crayons/Isis}; I don't like that Fire lost his confidence on the verge of a scum lynch. I'm hedging everything on it being either him or Monkey. Nice work.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Isis]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Isis]

If I can garcia, AKing is "Answer Keying" and it means knowing the correct answer due to being mafia and working backwards.

[Green Crayons]

If I can garcia, AKing is "Answer Keying" and it means knowing the correct answer due to being mafia and working backwards.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: FB

[humaneatingmonkey]

Aight guys enjoy your hammer VOTE: Firebringer

[Isis]

now that there is only 1 scum, scum!Firebringer is always goldengrouping a full town group which I've explained several times this game why that fits my concept of his personality and how he'd want to play scum.

[Isis]

wao

[Isis]

if this flips green the next lynch is a slow lynch

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay boss

[northsidegal]

Votecount 8.Final

Target	Wagon
Firebringer (4)	Looker (3639), Isis (3640), Green Crayons (3643), humaneatingmonkey (3644)
Not Voting (2)	Elements, Firebringer

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Firebringer was lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.