Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[humaneatingmonkey]

Firebringer, you too. I need your full double down on your reads right now.

my lynch order is

Deimos > GC > Elements > Looker > Isis > You

[humaneatingmonkey]

By the way, this guy delivered us 2 scum ^^

[Green Crayons]

Well that’s an unfortunate order.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i kind of still bet this game on a elements/deimos team tbh

confident firebringer

[Isis]

Because Elements and HME are my most solid town reads.

Then just don't ask anything I guess? There's no scenario where the order of the next two lynches matters, ever.

[Green Crayons]

Oh right town never get scared and go wonky because they hit town.

[Green Crayons]

Also I would like to actually get it right. Seeing what Looker has to say would help.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I know I'm not allowed preferences anymore, but I'm happy to lynch here ---> {GC, Elements, Isis}

[humaneatingmonkey]

But forget about my Isis read. I did that all by myself.

[Green Crayons]

You’re allowed to be wrong as town. Dust yourself off.

[Isis]

Looker can never improve your ability to get it right by explaining a reason to vote me over him >_>

[Green Crayons]

The journey is just as important as the destination.

How do you feel about Elements?

[Isis]

Speaking of
"how do you feel about elements"
I wanna be Deimos 2.0 and ask if this day phase can go until like, at least, next Wednesday, because my resignation takes effect Friday and I'm hoping when I move into a different headspace I'll be able to do some divings that I don't think I could do before this weekend. Maybe I won't want to do anything but watch friends reruns actually and you won't get much I don't know how I'll feel for sure.

But anyway.
I

think

his wagonomics don't fit the way scum!Elements would be in this game but I wanted to re-look at the games I played/modded with him maybe and nail it down even more. If nothing else because his isos are so short, I'd read some context not all.

There's something delightfully transgressive about betting the game on someone like Elements being town so it makes me want to be excited about the VCAs you've done.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I realized if we don't lynch scum within these two mislynches, we're gonna lose in LYLO with Looker voting for me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

We have to get it right in these next two mislynches. Both Isis and GC can't be scum. And so one can be safely trusted. I don't know why people townread Elements, as historically we've only been trusting Isis' metaread on him, and this is why I want everyone to say why.

I believe GC townreads Elements based on his VCA. That's why Looker > Isis is consistent with his POV.
I believe Firebringer townreads Elements based on Isis' metareads. So in his mind, it could be both Isis and Elements — and yet there's only one scum left. Firebringer will lynch GC here.
I don't get why Looker townreads Elements, honestly. If it's because of Isis' metareads, I don't get why he townreads Elements more than Isis. Maybe that Elements would be town or scum regardless of Isis alignment? If so I don't get what stops Elements from being the scum.
Isis doing work to affirm her Elements' metaread will be interesting to me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Kudos to human and Deimos, who are also conftown

I want to know where did this come from GC?

[humaneatingmonkey]

My reads are:
Isis
Alisae
GC

That's who I think is scum.

VOTE: Norwee
I'M GOLDEN ROBSTER NOW

Norwe is town.

Scum bussed.

Looker, alisae, GC

ABR's reads are either entirely wrong, or hit at least one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You townread Deimos? But you just wanted to kill him?

I STRONGLY townread him but also I suspect he's pocketed me and I think he has a lot of equity as Norwee's partner. And also Firebringer, the person whose reads I'm trying to trust, scumreads him.

Kill your darlings

.

I wish I didn't re-read the thread.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Both are my townreads, so they're probably scum.

This refers to GC and Deimos27.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Votecount 3.Final

Target	Wagon
Alisae (6)	humaneatingmonkey (1559), votato (1560), NorwegianboyEE (1583), Looker (1732), Deimos27 (1919), Elements (1958)
NorwegianboyEE (2)	Alisae (1720), Firebringer (1721)
Not Voting (2)	Green Crayons, Isis

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Alisae was lynched. E was a

Vanilla Townie

.

According to the Charismatic Model of Mafia, scum will try to lynch the most charismatic town players. Alisae was a charismatic player, no doubt. I know I'm town, and let's assume I'm town. Does that mean that scum is within this wagon?

Compare to ABR's lynch. Is ABR a charismatic player?

Votecount 2.Final

Target	Wagon
Albert B. Rampage (6)	humaneatingmonkey (1359), Elements (1366), Deimos27 (1373), Firebringer (1395), Green Crayons (1397), Alisae (1467)
Looker (1)	Albert B. Rampage (1345)
Alisae (1)	NorwegianboyEE (1387)
Firebringer (1)	Looker (1392)
Not Voting (2)	votato , Isis

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Albert B. Rampage was lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Compare to votato's lynch, who is uncharismatic as hell.

Votecount 4.Final

Target	Wagon
votato (5)	Deimos27 (2055), humaneatingmonkey (2154), Looker (2163), NorwegianboyEE (2186), Green Crayons (2249)
NorwegianboyEE (2)	votato (2082), Firebringer (2100)
Not Voting (5)	Elements (2059), Isis (2177)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

votato was lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Isis, I need your take on this.

[Looker]

Tbqh it’s looking like Looker then Isis is my lynch order.

Looker if you want to explain why it’s Isis and not you please lmk.

I’m still going to do real work tonight.

I don't think it's either. If I were you, I would go Monkey before Elements.

Also I would like to actually get it right. Seeing what Looker has to say would help.

It's been a long time since anyone's actually

wanted

my opinion.

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• I townread Elements over Isis because he wasn't a part of that weird quicklynch.
  
• Nobody asked HEM to hammer or accepted his resignation to hammerer (HEMmerer ). He kind of said it and then thrust it on us.
  
• Monkey assumes the next two lynches will be mislynches. He posits that he will make it to LYLO and that lynching him will lose said LYLO. I disagree with Monkey.

[Isis]

"kill" in that thread means "nightkill", it's not a great way of describing things to say that mafia will always try to mislynch the most charismatic player in nightless. The most charismatic player is the hardest to lynch, so while the reward is highest, the risk is highest too, it's a longer process with high exposure.
If a player that is usually charismatic is acting unusually uncharismatic temporarily, scum would definitely want to lynch such a player, and do so quickly, it's kind of a pseudonightkill, I can kind of see where you might be going with that. When Hectic was slightly unpopular for a moment in nightless man did I try to kill him so fast. This looks the worst for people on Ali's lynch imo, ABR does not count as charismatic for this game because he made a very clear break from his meta that showed he wasn't going to ever be charismatic this game. Ali promised to have a dynamic game ahead of em though.

Man I am looking at votecount 4.final and seeing that either I am townreading scum when I townread Elements or votato was a quadscum lynch with only one townie on the wagon. My brain.

[Isis]

Part of my incentive with the Firebringer quicklynch is that if town!Firebringer sees drawing as a reasonable way to play in 3p LyLo and cooperates with scum that expects to be the LyLo's solve then I don't get my win condition.

I don't mind getting mislynched and losing for because of that and would much likely experience that than very frustrating bizarre crap that comes up from the play to a draw stuff.

[humaneatingmonkey]

We have two mislynches, don't we?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Part of my incentive with the Firebringer quicklynch is that if town!Firebringer sees drawing as a reasonable way to play in 3p LyLo and cooperates with scum that expects to be the LyLo's solve then I don't get my win condition.

I don't mind getting mislynched and losing for because of that and would much likely experience that than very frustrating bizarre crap that comes up from the play to a draw stuff.

What's the other parts of your incentive?