Newbie 2003: Earth [game over!]

[Apogee]

If they flipped town.

[votato]

at this point i really hope you are the lynch either way, scumboy

[enomis]

Enomis if I lynch DkKoba today I am the lynch tomorrow right?

???? Lol why kinda question is this. This is so blatant that makes me think this is not what scum would ask.

If we are still here day 4, I promise to re-evaluate my reads day 4.

[enomis]

Actually, I am more confident now that Dkkoba is scum. Let's lynch dkkoba.

[enomis]

I should have taken the chance to hammer dkkoba when he did his self-voting gambit. Then we wouldn't be in this situation where I can't get my scum read lynched.

[Apogee]

Because right now I am really feeling from my own POV I have to go after votato.

I'm honestly giving all three of you pretty close chances to be scum, maybe .4/.3/.2 votato/DkKoba/enomis. But I have a better chance of getting the correct lynch tommorrow if I lynch votato today than the other way around, because I probably die if I target Koba today and am wrong.

If I lynch DkKoba, it is almost certainly Enomis/Votato/myself left. I don't think I have a good chance of a) picking correct and b) convincing the other townie to pick correct.

If I lynch votato, then either I die which means I better hope Madiusha can reevaluate enough to pick accuratly between enomis and DkKoba. If enomis dies (likely) I have absolute confidence in DkKoba being scum and have to hope I can convince Madiusha to vote correctly. If Madiusha dies than we can probably lynch DkKoba and I'd feel good about our chances.

Enomis, this is pretty much to you: I feel that a votato/DkKoba POE is the correct move, and I am open to hammering either wagon if I think there is actually a chance that doing so gets me that POE.

[Apogee]

I've reviewed more and I really really don't think that Joqiza enomis were scumteam based on D1 interactions. My solve is votato/DkKoba and now everything I do is going to maximize my chance of getting that solve through.

[Apogee]

If I am wrong, well I'll take the flak post game but I think there is overwhelming evidence for that solve being the best one to take.

[Apogee]

Actually shit I'm reviewing the scenarios and I'm no longer sure which lynch today gets me that POE more often because so much would depend on how Madiusha reacts to night kills.

[Apogee]

at this point i really hope you are the lynch either way, scumboy

Are you trying to bait a hammer? It won't work.

Are you trying to look like you are baiting a hammer so I won't hammer you? It won't work either.

[enomis]

I don't like lining up lynches on the next day.

I think you read my game that just ended so you know that. Predictability is good for scum. I like un-predictability.

[enomis]

But I would be suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper happy if you could hammer DkKoba.

[votato]

mm i will not commit to any particular lynch tomorrow. nor will i give you my full thoughts about what i think you ought to do tomorrow until intent to hammer is stated against me.

[Apogee]

That's fair I suppose. I may have read part of that game? I've flipped through a couple in the last few days. l know any time you try to line stuff up it exposes you to WIFOM and manipulation. But there are also objectively more or less likely, objectively more or less beneficial things to consider. I'm confident in my POE and if I don't see some truely stunning action I like having plans and sticking to them because it locks down chances.

[enomis]

mm i will not commit to any particular lynch tomorrow. nor will i give you my full thoughts about what i think you ought to do tomorrow until intent to hammer is stated against me.

Anyway at this state, I think you are going to be hammered. So if there's something that you think you can do to convince apogee to vote dkkoba, please do it.

[votato]

mm i will not commit to any particular lynch tomorrow. nor will i give you my full thoughts about what i think you ought to do tomorrow until intent to hammer is stated against me.

Anyway at this state, I think you are going to be hammered. So if there's something that you think you can do to convince apogee to vote dkkoba, please do it.

uhhh, i hardclaim town lynchbait. if i am lynched and the hammer is placed by town, town automatically loses

[Apogee]

Don't you scumread me? Not sure why that would matter then

[enomis]

That's fair I suppose. I may have read part of that game? I've flipped through a couple in the last few days. l know any time you try to line stuff up it exposes you to WIFOM and manipulation. But there are also objectively more or less likely, objectively more or less beneficial things to consider. I'm confident in my POE and if I don't see some truely stunning action I like having plans and sticking to them because it locks down chances.

What do you think about Dkkoba putting you in their obv townread section?

Because tbh I didn't see anything that would put you in this section.
What do you think about it?

[votato]

apogee, look at DkK's ISO today and yesterday. there is shockingly little in the way of content. lots of distracting spam, a few weak arguments. whenever people make arguments against Dk, Dk immediately deflects and then starts spamming the thread to move the conversation away from the case against him. Dk also has really strange progressions. Day 1 he townreads me, but then days 2 and three suddenly its a scumread and he says i pocketed him. today as pressure mounted he has resorted to screaming and deflecting, but if you look through the ISO theres actually not that much gamesolving. He moved his vote around a little to try and look like he was re-evaluating, but there wasn't much evidence of actual thinking going on below the surface of the vote movement.

[votato]

That's fair I suppose. I may have read part of that game? I've flipped through a couple in the last few days. l know any time you try to line stuff up it exposes you to WIFOM and manipulation. But there are also objectively more or less likely, objectively more or less beneficial things to consider. I'm confident in my POE and if I don't see some truely stunning action I like having plans and sticking to them because it locks down chances.

What do you think about Dkkoba putting you in their obv townread section?

Because tbh I didn't see anything that would put you in this section.
What do you think about it?

mmm Dk has moved apogee between scum and obvtown, and none of it seems to be justified by Dk's stated thinking. the reads change surface-level, but theres no evidence of deeper progression

[Apogee]

That's fair I suppose. I may have read part of that game? I've flipped through a couple in the last few days. l know any time you try to line stuff up it exposes you to WIFOM and manipulation. But there are also objectively more or less likely, objectively more or less beneficial things to consider. I'm confident in my POE and if I don't see some truely stunning action I like having plans and sticking to them because it locks down chances.

What do you think about Dkkoba putting you in their obv townread section?

Because tbh I didn't see anything that would put you in this section.
What do you think about it?

Yeah this concerned me and drove a pocketing comment I made a few pages back.

[votato]

That's fair I suppose. I may have read part of that game? I've flipped through a couple in the last few days. l know any time you try to line stuff up it exposes you to WIFOM and manipulation. But there are also objectively more or less likely, objectively more or less beneficial things to consider. I'm confident in my POE and if I don't see some truely stunning action I like having plans and sticking to them because it locks down chances.

What do you think about Dkkoba putting you in their obv townread section?

Because tbh I didn't see anything that would put you in this section.
What do you think about it?

Yeah this concerned me and drove a pocketing comment I made a few pages back.

you also saw the strangeness of Dk's fakeclaim.

[Apogee]

apogee, look at DkK's ISO today and yesterday. there is shockingly little in the way of content. lots of distracting spam, a few weak arguments. whenever people make arguments against Dk, Dk immediately deflects and then starts spamming the thread to move the conversation away from the case against him. Dk also has really strange progressions. Day 1 he townreads me, but then days 2 and three suddenly its a scumread and he says i pocketed him. today as pressure mounted he has resorted to screaming and deflecting, but if you look through the ISO theres actually not that much gamesolving. He moved his vote around a little to try and look like he was re-evaluating, but there wasn't much evidence of actual thinking going on below the surface of the vote movement.

I will do a long and grudging DkKoba ISO read (all almost 800 points ugh) because honestly this single post is perhaps the best thing you could have said in a mix of tone and content besides some incredible game-solve case.

p-edit. Yes fakeclaim is strange. I was moderately concerned that you dismissed it so out of hand but if you are actually seeing the game clearly with DK scum its probably justifiable.

[votato]

apogee, look at DkK's ISO today and yesterday. there is shockingly little in the way of content. lots of distracting spam, a few weak arguments. whenever people make arguments against Dk, Dk immediately deflects and then starts spamming the thread to move the conversation away from the case against him. Dk also has really strange progressions. Day 1 he townreads me, but then days 2 and three suddenly its a scumread and he says i pocketed him. today as pressure mounted he has resorted to screaming and deflecting, but if you look through the ISO theres actually not that much gamesolving. He moved his vote around a little to try and look like he was re-evaluating, but there wasn't much evidence of actual thinking going on below the surface of the vote movement.

I will do a long and grudging DkKoba ISO read (all almost 800 points ugh) because honestly this single post is perhaps the best thing you could have said in a mix of tone and content besides some incredible game-solve case.

p-edit. Yes fakeclaim is strange. I was moderately concerned that you dismissed it so out of hand but if you are actually seeing the game clearly with DK scum its probably justifiable.

i didnt dismiss it. i was the one pushing it first, and i continued to push it after you dropped it. i dont think you need to read the entire iso... that sounds excessive and boring.

[Apogee]

Nah sorry I meant dismissed the chance that DkKoba was actually doctor before he retracted the claim.