Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[DoctorPepper]

I'm still confused if DonC's gambit could be a town move to draw out the NK or a scum move to draw out the cop.


Internally debating that both could be viable options

[JacksonVirgo]

Claiming Cop is reckless and a terrible decision, I am not confident it's scum motivated. Especially when having a cc will get a clear with it (me uwu)

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless they are confident the Doctor is not there (aka scum took it) and expected mafia not to be lynched D1 to sacrifice themselves to kill the Cop.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Vote Count 2.05

Farkran (1)

- Doctor Pepper

JacksonVirgo (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever,

Dunnstral (1)

- Not_mafia,

datisi (1)

- DonCorleone,

DonCorleone (3)

- Iconeum, Doctor Drew

DoctorPepper (3)

- Skitter30, Datisi, Farkset

Not Voting (3) :

JacksonVirgo, Almidia, Dunnstral,

With 12 Alive, 7 Votes To Lynch.
Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-03 10:00:00)

Is there someone else on DonC?

Names are normally right I phone post a lot and I can't count.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@mod: It's also Farkset, not Farkran.

I DEMAND EQUAL REPRESENTATION FOR KERSET.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm still confused if DonC's gambit could be a town move to draw out the NK or a scum move to draw out the cop.


Internally debating that both could be viable options

But he also drew out the, potentially, 'real cop'.

DonC is a policy lynch at worst.

Pre Edit: Why aren't you voting DonC, JV?

[DoctorPepper]

^ I feel like it's because I remember the slot as just Farkran and Idk if I've ever interacted with Kerset

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm not voting DC because of the fake cop claim

I think he pushed against the Aldus wagon hard and I didn't like his reason behind his resistance to Aldus (where he said the gamestate pointed to Aldus and Melody being TvT)

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@mod: It's also Farkset, not Farkran.

I DEMAND EQUAL REPRESENTATION FOR KERSET.

But I did fix the name >.>

[JacksonVirgo]

@mod: It's also Farkset, not Farkran.

I DEMAND EQUAL REPRESENTATION FOR KERSET.

But I did fix the name >.>

R.I.P BBCode

[Cat Scratch Fever]

If not DC, who would you be down to lynch JV?

[JacksonVirgo]

ngl probably NM

[JacksonVirgo]

I have no idea where my vote is even when the VC is right there, I am too lazy to scroll
VOTE: Not mafia

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah I wasn't lmfao

[Doctor Drew]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

DonC is a lylo wifom nightmare, and is his own doing. Fuck off telling me he had town motivation.

That's best case scenario.

More likely than not, scum who tried really hard to out a PR.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

DonC is a lylo wifom nightmare, and is his own doing. Fuck off telling me he had town motivation.

That's best case scenario.

More likely than not, scum who tried really hard to out a PR.

Except why. 1 for 1'ing like that is -ev as all heck.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I thought brass's vote on Aldus was prob town just based on how hard that Aldus wagon stalled at 4-5 votes

Not solid but Id rather not vote there today

[Doctor Drew]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

DonC is a lylo wifom nightmare, and is his own doing. Fuck off telling me he had town motivation.

That's best case scenario.

More likely than not, scum who tried really hard to out a PR.

Except why. 1 for 1'ing like that is -ev as all heck.

-ev?

DonC got caught in a lie. When he was exposed he tried to spin it as Dunn was stupid for making his claim, pure deflection.

Also, notice how DonC has been barely posting? When scum is caught the smart move is to just ghost the game, don't give any extra info.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

DC retracts claim, Dunn has green check. We still don't lynch DC because he is probably town for the play in the first place.

The bad play may have been fake claiming cop and providing elaborate justifications for your night actions

If scum knew you were fake claiming there's no reason for you to continue fake claiming. People won't believe me if I try to cc on day 3

Also, you pushing me day 1 for doubting your claim is suspect considering you're not the role you said you were

But whatever, I'd probably need to out today regardless; I checked JacksonVirgo, he's town

Good clear

VOTE: donc

What happened here?

[DoctorPepper]

I doubt NM is scum

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would I vote someone I don't believe to be scum?

DonC is a lylo wifom nightmare, and is his own doing. Fuck off telling me he had town motivation.

That's best case scenario.

More likely than not, scum who tried really hard to out a PR.

Except why. 1 for 1'ing like that is -ev as all heck.

-ev?

DonC got caught in a lie. When he was exposed he tried to spin it as Dunn was stupid for making his claim, pure deflection.

Also, notice how DonC has been barely posting? When scum is caught the smart move is to just ghost the game, don't give any extra info.

Negative expected value

[Iconeum]

you're all waiting on lil old me? lemme catch up 2 secs

this feels just faked and bad vibes overall

[Iconeum]

I think it's fairly apparent that I'm not the cop, and that scum probably figured that out based on the fact that IT WAS A MEME CLAIM that I then ran with

I was planning to out probably tomorrow but maybe the day after with the hope that the real cop would have more results. alternatively, scum has the cop role and that's why they let me fake claim this, or they have a counter to it like rb or jk (but I wouldn't know bc I have no NA)

I claimed CSF because that's actually my most confident TR now and I didn't want to fuck the game up by claiming a fake inno on someone who I thought could plausibly be scum (JV/NM). there was some stuff in CSF ISO that I thought was very, very clearing for them re:aldus!flip so I felt most comfortable putting them off the table for today.

now I know Dunn didn't investigate me, because if he had then he'd be staying shut the fuck up, so I hope he has a red elsewhere because if not then on top of him fishing yesterday this is the worst play in the history of bad plays

if it was a meme claim, you would have dropped it if you were town
they way you are going about this now is far away from using the +town angle and trying to bait the NK which is what I expected you were doing

[Iconeum]

Ok, now that both the "cops" have spoken up, i'll out my thoughts as well:

1) I reread the joint don/dunn ISO, with special regard to 39, 66, 39, 75, 83. It clearly suggests that Dunnstral is actually the real cop, which DonCorleone should have realized when discussing with him - however, he refused to consider the *obvious* possibility that the real cop would have crumbed at that point, instead went against the gamestate by insisting on lynching dunnstral. Today, he went ahead and claimed a inno on CSF and then retracted his cop claim. This is anti-town play from DonCorleone - especially if he's PGO because he doesn't show any concern for town powers that could have targeted him.
2) Dunnstral shouldn't have outed today with a green check, instead he should have tried to get JV to talk more and only later divert the wagon if it happened to be on JV or Dunn himself. There was no reason to believe Dunn would die N2 given the premises. This is also anti-town play from Dunn.
3) VCA (1238) is terrible for both the players involved, by which i assume at least one of them is scum, but i wouldn't rule out both.
4) Regardless of the truth behind these claims, i think both CSF and JV are plausibly conftown now, because a town cop wouldn't lie and scum probably wouldn't out their partner in a fakeclaim.

Conclusion:

we should never, EVER lynch outside of the two claims today. I'm much more inclined to lynch DonCorleone now, but seriously we should

NOT

let both players alive. It would lead to a terrible gamestate in the following days which i don't want to cope with. Dunnstral (the likely true cop) should be healed and produce results until lylo-1, then lynched to verify the results and proceed accordingly. If he happens to get both reds before lylo, even better.

There are two possible roleblockers and two possible protectives in effect (doctor/roleblocker and jailkeeper), although they cannot all exist at the same time. The jailkeeper slot should claim today, even if he picked tracker. The roleblocker is mutually exclusive to doctor, so if dunnstral dies tonight we will know where to lynch, otherwise we gain cop results. If the jailkeeper slot won't claim, we know it's likely scum.

Explanation:

if a doctor exists, dunnstral cannot die unless improbable shenanigans. If dunnstral claims blocked, we lynch the jailkeeper.

Math:

assuming we don't lynch scum until 5p lylo (or 6p mylo), we can afford 3 mislynches which is more than enough to test this theory. If this isn't autosolve, it's very close.

-Farkran

i'm right with this
and i'm not lynching dunn