i dont think we need to pressure madonna. i think that by flipping midway we get a lot of info about madonna.
"It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
"I expect that 90% of what you say to me is one form of trickery or another" - a friend irl
In post 1852, votato wrote:i dont think we need to pressure madonna. i think that by flipping midway we get a lot of info about madonna.
If people leaning Town on me and you're leaning Town on midway, then why lynch midway before utilizing a non-lynch avenue that's available? If it was a deadline issue, sure, but you've got the bully pulpit. Use it.
In post 1852, votato wrote:i dont think we need to pressure madonna. i think that by flipping midway we get a lot of info about madonna.
If people leaning Town on me and you're leaning Town on midway, then why lynch midway before utilizing a non-lynch avenue that's available? If it was a deadline issue, sure, but you've got the bully pulpit. Use it.
oh but i dont do either of those things. i lean town on you over midway, and i have a nagging suspicion that midway will flip town. but midway's play needs to be lynched. we cant let that continue to lylo. and you are both still at the center of the PoE. a couple good posts from you doesnt make you a townie.
"It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
"I expect that 90% of what you say to me is one form of trickery or another" - a friend irl
"It is not our ignorance that will kill us, but our arrogance"
"I expect that 90% of what you say to me is one form of trickery or another" - a friend irl
In post 1742, midwaybear wrote:pretty sure alor is scum because town doesn't just give up like that. That being said, I sorta get his attitude right now.
Still think he is the best hang.
In post 1768, midwaybear wrote:ok, I just don't want to die because I'm town(opposite of Alor)
Until alarotam became too townread to be lynched (I know this is an alteration of the timeline, but this does reflect the thought process midway may have had at the time):
Spoiler:
In post 1802, midwaybear wrote:stop
if alor flips town it's madonna+word
I don't like his resigned tone, but I feel it too
In post 1827, midwaybear wrote:Alor feels townie now, so we pivot to word
I am not the lynch todsy
Into a full blown stampede on the other townslots:
Spoiler:
In post 1763, midwaybear wrote:L-1: you me norwee madonna
if alor flips scum, vig word. It seemed like he was trying to deflect
In post 1781, votato wrote:every game you play a bit differently, but in no games do you do much scumhunting. and in 1997 i gave you a newbie pass and paid for it. i cant let you get away with that twice, so i feel like i have to be extra hard on you. notice that i havent hardpushed you or tunneled you this game. i just consistently call you out for not actually helping to gamesolve. i keep asking you to help out and ask you to give reads, thoughts and analysis. but you never do.
yes, fair enough
I think if alor flips town, vig/alien madonna/word
Upon scum flip, vig word and he should be the last scum
idk what PRs scum have, so hopefully they don't have a roleblocker
pedit: @norwee
In post 1833, midwaybear wrote:Lets wait for ND. Pretty sure he is on the same page as you, but this is getting nowhere.
I can see where you’re coming from votato, but I already tried to pull interaction quotes and it didn’t work so there’s not much more I can do.
Idk who is scum. Nahdia defended word though, so keep it in mind.
sorry, I meant manatee
I guess nahdia and abr did decide to bus
Note the emphasis on my slot over the other, coincidentally being the most scumread over {Madonna, 7po, word321}
Not only it has incorrect facts, as Abr and Nahdia coluded on my wagon on D1, she never defended me once (u can go check it out if u want); he retracted about that only after being called out on it.
There is also flawed logic; his first attitude was "If alarotam is scum, vig word instead of block, as he was deflective". U know, in the plan I was to be blocked; if u rly though I was the most likely partner, the best course of action would be to block, cause that would have easily shown a no kill on the day; this is for pragmatic reasons, as scum can actually not kill that night, so blocking on this scenario is faulty (unless, again, we r talking about the most possible partner)***. If bear is rly town, then even if he dies we win the game under that hypothesis. On the other hand, if Im not the most likely partner to Aloratom, then only if I was the most suspect would it be better to vig at night my slot, EXACTLY if im, again, not the most likely partner; the association does not amount to anything.
What does it amount, though? Bear survives the night, cause he is not vigged. Furthermore, Aloratom dstn even
need
to be scum; the current convention is that we will vig
regardless of a flip
and only block
upon a flip
.
This is faulty logic in so many ways, and favors bear so much it is not even funny.
I thought to actually also post his "spectacular" defense on his (lack of) assosiation with albert, but u can all go iso him for that. Its funny considering one of the things that killed the most momentum of his wagon after nahdias lynch was alberts gambit, wich monopolized the day.
Overall, I RLY think at this point midwaybear is scum. How can a player pray so much for his own survival? Thats the only thing that makes me think that makes him town, cause no scum would be so blatantly obvious. But he isnt even trying to rly solve the game; again, the above argument is
factually wrong
meaning he didnt even bother to check how things rly went. I cant even associate it with newbieness; I saw him on 1997, he wasnt a bad player.
I just think he is playing every card to stay alive here.
And again I must repeat myself:
We have so many little real information we r judgin ppl directly based upon comparatives, and not "hard" data
. From the lynch list, the only one Im truly confident could be scum is midwaybear; our current process of choosing the lynch is naturally orbiting to leaving the most experient players alive, and not the most likely towns; proof of that is aloratoms current shift to block instead of lynch, midways bear drift towards the most scummy player and 7pos practical immunity. I feel this is highly faulty, specially considering (again, repeating myself) that the most likely scums to survive r the most experient ones; thats completely contradictory with bear. I have made every single call wrong this game, so I may be biased; but I RLY think the dices on this particular ocasion r better (upon a prearranged list, oc).
Upon the current arrangement of things, its pretty clear bear and me cant be partners; so under that hypothesis, considering Ill be in the trio of players to be lynched, it IS indeed more effective to lynch bear, then vig me and then block aloratom (excluding Madonna and 7po); but due to his recent attitude to aloratom, I think there should be another 3rd player instead of aloratom on the block in case bear effectlively flips scum. Notice Im currently proposing to ditch that particular bit of the current strategy though.
***This is why I dnt like NDMaths, plan. There r 2 main reasons:
1. Keep things deadsimple, if they r as effective; no need to put a lot of conditionals on this.
2. Confirming who u r blocking is a TERRIBLE idea on every single scenario; even if we do lynch scum, lets say we r wrong on the block, and scum dsnt kill that night. What would happen? Thats a free ticket to defeat. On the other hand, not disclosing the block actually has investigative values, cause scum dsnt know who will be blocked
In post 1866, midwaybear wrote:why does this game feel so easy...
almost too easy
every VT is feeling town, so I don't think we lynch yet. Also, I'm better at scum than town
DUDE.
YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST SPOUTING WHATEVER GARBAGE YOU CAN TO SURVIVE AT THIS POINT. AT FIRST YOU WERE 100% A-OK WITH LYNCHING ALORATOM, NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO SHADE EVERYONE ELSE BY GOING "THIS GAME FEELS TOO EASY HMM I WONDER WHAT'S HAPPENING??!" AND DEFENDING YOURSELF WITH COMPLETELY POINTLESS SHIT LIKE "I'M BETTER AS SCUM"
PLEASE JUST DIE.
DIE SCUM DIE!
Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
oops I hope I didn't just throw the game
sorry norwee/votato/ndmath+whoever else is town(maybe word?)
I'm getting vigged, so scum is in {madonna,word,pox7}. Leaning towards madonna+word, so ND vig one of them.
Sorry guys
